Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[Mussels]

HWmonitor is crap, use HWinfo64

 

[freeagent]

Ok thanks.

 

[NoJuan999]

Use HWInfo or Ryzen Master to check Boost Clocks.

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[8BitZ80]

Usually Ram related.

Doesn't seem to be the case in this instance. I ran MemTest for an hour with no errors.

It still crashes around once per day with only XMP enabled, and the event viewer from the last crash reported this after a sudden shutdown:

I tried reverting back to an older bios (which didn't have this issue) but it refuses to recognize any of the older bios file

 

[tabascosauz]

Doesn't seem to be the case in this instance. I ran MemTest for an hour with no errors.

It still crashes around once per day with only XMP enabled, and the event viewer from the last crash reported this after a sudden shutdown:

I tried reverting back to an older bios (which didn't have this issue) but it refuses to recognize any of the older bios file

Which memtest? An hour isn't long at all in any of the well-regarded memory stress tests, but tbh something like 3600 CL18 shouldn't even need 1.35V.

PBO isn't guaranteed to be stable. Poor firmware, bad settings, attempts at EDC trick on a chip that doesn't like it can all result in instability = reboots. Been there done that, not fun.

Cache hierarchy was a bit infamous for Ryzen 3000. Sometimes it's bad firmware, sometimes it's an idle Vcore issue so you can disable C-states to get rid of it, other times people just RMA'd their CPU. Actually, if the Internet is to be believed, most 3000 owners running into it just RMA'd their CPUs. But you can try the easy stuff first, different firmwares and ways to get around bad idle voltage firmware. Gut feeling tells me it's not going to need an RMA, probably bad firmware.

I'd go back to stock with PBO completely disabled and see what happens. The promised "fully featured/stable" firmware is what comes after AGESA 1180 and AFAIK it hasn't yet surfaced.

 

[dont whant to set it"']

Asus Rog strix b550-f
Do I have a case on hand in which the motherboard doesn't get into bios /UEFI after multiple restarts from os , yes , when vigorously pressing F2 and DEL when it POST's.

After a few restarts it instantly displays something about bad checksum error.

This happened months ago as well with an r3 3300x across multiple firmwares , yet again these days with the r7 5800x , on with the latest firmware wich I updated at first power with the motherboard feature(bios flashback of sorts without actually fully initializing the power on sequence).

Option 1 : it's my money , RMA.( I can return it till 31jan2021 no questions asked).
Option 2 : wait for a better firmware , but the again it's my money .
Option 3 : open to other options.
Thoughts?

 

[8BitZ80]

Which memtest? An hour isn't long at all in any of the well-regarded memory stress tests, but tbh something like 3600 CL18 shouldn't even need 1.35V.

PBO isn't guaranteed to be stable. Poor firmware, bad settings, attempts at EDC trick on a chip that doesn't like it can all result in instability = reboots. Been there done that, not fun.

Cache hierarchy was a bit infamous for Ryzen 3000. Sometimes it's bad firmware, sometimes it's an idle Vcore issue so you can disable C-states to get rid of it, other times people just RMA'd their CPU. Actually, if the Internet is to be believed, most 3000 owners running into it just RMA'd their CPUs. But you can try the easy stuff first, different firmwares and ways to get around bad idle voltage firmware. Gut feeling tells me it's not going to need an RMA, probably bad firmware.

I'd go back to stock with PBO completely disabled and see what happens. The promised "fully featured/stable" firmware is what comes after AGESA 1180 and AFAIK it hasn't appeared surfaced.

I'm pretty sure it's an instability issue with the new AGESA too. Disabling PBO decreased the frequency of the crashes but they still happen. It was a very stable system before updating to AGESA 1180 and I didn't have a single crash until then. I might just hold out for a bios update, at least I'm not doing any important work over Christmas.

 

[Calmmo]

Gigabyte are saying 1.1.8.x is so buggy that they won't even be releasing it for their boards. So you're probably right that it's AMD's code that's the issue.

 

[Alyjen]

Don't scare me like that.. I'm on 1.1.8.0. for my ASUS board and it's noticeable better with whea warnings than 1.1.0.0. patch C was. I don't have to drop all the way to FCLK 1600 to have it stable, currently I'm at 1866 and not a single warning for a week.

 

[8BitZ80]

I was able to successfully downgrade with USB Flashback to the earlier AGESA 1.1.0.0 Patch B bios I was using before. EZ Flash 3 failed to read the same bios file on the same USB drive. No idea why. I'll see how the stability has changed over the next day or two.

 

[dgianstefani]

Spent another 2 hours tweaking to shave off 2ns lmao... WORTH IT

I AM SPEED

Did a 4.7/4.6ghz CCD0/1 all core OC @1.3v too. Beating out a 32core threadripper!

Mostly stable at 4000/2000 but will wait for some new AGESA patches first.

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[AusWolf]

Hi.

I'm joining the club with a 5950X. I had a temporary 3100 for a while, but that's a different story.

As a new Ryzen 9 owner, what I'm mainly interested in is what temperatures and clock speeds you guys get. I have an Asus Tuf Gaming B550M-Plus (Wifi) motherboard and a Corsair H100i Platinum cooler. All I've done so far is enable PBO and I get around 80-82 °C when stressing all cores with Intel Burn Test with clocks around 4.6 GHz. Is this normal?

 

[dgianstefani]

I get 5.25 on one core and 5.175 on 3 other cores on my 5950x with curve optimiser and Pbo enabled. Rest of cores are around 4.8/4.9.

 

[AusWolf]

I get 5.25 on one core and 5.175 on 3 other cores on my 5950x with curve optimiser and Pbo enabled. Rest of cores are around 4.8/4.9.

Hmm, I haven't looked at individual core frequencies. Also, how are you doing with temperatures? What's normal for a 5950X under load?

 

[INSTG8R]

I get 5.25 on one core and 5.175 on 3 other cores on my 5950x with curve optimiser and Pbo enabled. Rest of cores are around 4.8/4.9.

I’m. Curious bout the curve optimizer? I have just been messing with PBO limits and the scalar to get myself to 4325 all coe on my 3700X. Patently waiting for my 5600X to arrive but I’ve had enough time with my 3700X I’m pretty confident I will easily get it up and running at least as fast as my own tweaks have got me +the new Arch
just a little hint of what I’m looking for my runs with CTR rated it a golden chip and tests had running 4400 all core easil. Sadly actually being able to use CTR as OC tool was nothing but failures But I‘m and old school BIOS tweaker anyway, Basically the best I can fo

 

[8BitZ80]

Two days after the bios flashback and not a single issue with stability. All good.

 

[AusWolf]

Hi. Addressing especially 5000 series owners, but every comment is welcome.

Topic: Idle clocks.
So, I've been playing around the Windows power settings on my 5950X as I didn't like seeing clocks way over the base 3.4 GHz while idling on the desktop, and temperatures around 45 C. The Power Saver plan brought the best results with idle clocks of 2.2 GHz, however this makes the CPU not boost in lightly threaded workloads (I tested with Cinebench R23 single thread). The second best option is the Balanced power plan with the Power Mode slider set to Best Energy Savings. This gives me an idle clock of 3 GHz while maintaining normal boost frequencies. Playing with the minimum and maximum power state percentages in the Processor Power Management tab has absolutely no effect.

I have all BIOS settings on, including C-states and PBO except for ASUS optimised boost (or whatever it's called) which only seems to increase power consumption by roughly 40 Watts for no reason.

The question is: What is the best option to make the processor boost and idle at the proper frequencies? Are you guys struggling to find the sweet spot too?

 

[INSTG8R]

Hi. Addressing especially 5000 series owners, but every comment is welcome.

Topic: Idle clocks.
So, I've been playing around the Windows power settings on my 5950X as I didn't like seeing clocks way over the base 3.4 GHz while idling on the desktop, and temperatures around 45 C. The Power Saver plan brought the best results with idle clocks of 2.2 GHz, however this makes the CPU not boost in lightly threaded workloads (I tested with Cinebench R23 single thread). The second best option is the Balanced power plan with the Power Mode slider set to Best Energy Savings. This gives me an idle clock of 3 GHz while maintaining normal boost frequencies. Playing with the minimum and maximum power state percentages in the Processor Power Management tab has absolutely no effect.

I have all BIOS settings on, including C-states and PBO except for ASUS optimised boost (or whatever it's called) which only seems to increase power consumption by roughly 40 Watts for no reason.

The question is: What is the best option to make the processor boost and idle at the proper frequencies? Are you guys struggling to find the sweet spot too?

Apprently they don’t need them so I’m gonna guess the next chipset driver update would remove them for Zen3?

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[Mussels]

balanced plan is the best - the cores power off completely, disabled cores read as the last state they were powered on as.

There is like a 30W difference between high performance and balanced at idle, but <5W from balanced to power saving in my testing.

 

[INSTG8R]

balanced plan is the best - the cores power off completely, disabled cores read as the last state they were powered on as.

There is like a 30W difference between high performance and balanced at idle, but <5W from balanced to power saving in my testing.

I should have my 5600X next week but I do wonder if there will be an updated chipset driver removing the current Ryzen plans for Zen 3. I mean I use the High Performance plan for my Zen3 but just set the Minimal Processor State to 5% as I've always done with Intels. I'm also quite interested how the this new Power Curve in PBO/Auto OC will work compared to Zen 2 I already undervolt now and could probably go even lower than my current 1.34v high and still have no issues but this Power Curve will apparently eliminate the need for any offsets while keeping voltage low

 

[biffzinker]

I do wonder if there will be an updated chipset driver removing the current Ryzen plans for Zen 3.

The power plans are required for Zen2 - Zen unless a future update for Windows makes them redundant.

 

[INSTG8R]

The power plans are required for Zen2 - Zen unless a future update for Windows makes them redundant.

Yes but its the AMD chipset drivers that install them. So I'm wondering if a new package would eliminate them if a Zen 3 was present.

 

[Mussels]

Yes but its the AMD chipset drivers that install them. So I'm wondering if a new package would eliminate them if a Zen 3 was present.

they dont install if you have a zen 3 CPU, i think they get hidden or removed when you install the chipset driver - i had to reinstall the chipset driver and ryzen master after the CPU change

 

[INSTG8R]

they dont install if you have a zen 3 CPU, i think they get hidden or removed when you install the chipset driver - i had to reinstall the chipset driver and ryzen master after the CPU change

There we go, that is what I was expecting, Thanks! My retailer will supposedly have stock Jan2(I didn't check that when I pulled the trigger 2 weeks ago)So hopefully early next week I get to to see what all the cool new stuff can do

 

[AusWolf]

balanced plan is the best - the cores power off completely, disabled cores read as the last state they were powered on as.

There is like a 30W difference between high performance and balanced at idle, but <5W from balanced to power saving in my testing.

Interestingly, the Balanced plan by default keeps my CPU around 45 C at idle. Task Manager reads 4-4.2 GHz, and HWInfo64 reports power consumption being around 60 Watts. Only if I drag the Power Mode slider down to Best Energy Savings do the cores throttle down to 3 GHz when idle, and power consumption gets halved (30 W). Temperatures drop by a good 10 C too.

The Power Saver mode has the best idle results with 2.2 GHz in my testing, but it messes with boost behaviours under load. It would be nice to have a real balance between the two.