TPU's Nostalgic Hardware Club

[Trekkie4]

Well guys, there you have it... Another generous donation, this time Coppermine P3 @933


After crapload of issues, random crashes & BIOS flashing, things actually took the turn for the better!


And here's a direct comparison between the 3 CPUs. All of them Pentium III - running at 550MHz, 733MHz & 933MHz (though Slocket adapter kit)


I should probably point out that I forgot to bump up the core voltage from 1.70 to 1.75V in BIOS, so after taking care of this one last issue, it resulted with few additional points at 4,775 in total.

I had a slocket with a Celeron tualatin 1.4 GHz in a freebie Toshiba box I came across. The original CPU was a PII 350ish MHz. I could overclock the Celeron to almost 1.6 GHz with SetFSB software. That was a great PC for Need for Speed 5 (Porsche). I hate that the PC & Slocket/CPU got away from me, and I'm very jealous of your new toys!

Nice! I'm sorry that you no longer have the slocket, but for what it's worth those are really not THAT rare. I got at least 2 or 3 of them, and I even recently gave away 2 or 3 additional ones.

What's rare is to have the original package which indicates the jumper settings & makes it useful. Because I've tried Googling some of those random numbers & barcodes, but always came up empty, which rendered them pretty much useless

 

[stinger608]

Well, here are the dimensions and what the mounts look like on the MSI Master 2FAR.

Spoiler

Screw holes are pretty much 1 1/2" to center, the overall is 3" and the main width is basically 5/8".

I thought this was a good mount but come to find out it is cracked through one of the screw holes as well.


And, thanks to @sam_86314 , he found a great high res picture of this exact motherboard with the mounts attached.

Spoiler

 

[framebuffer]

Well guys, there you have it... Another generous donation, this time Coppermine P3 @933


After crapload of issues, random crashes & BIOS flashing, things actually took the turn for the better!


And here's a direct comparison between the 3 CPUs. All of them Pentium III - running at 550MHz, 733MHz & 933MHz (though Slocket adapter kit)


I should probably point out that I forgot to bump up the core voltage from 1.70 to 1.75V in BIOS, so after taking care of this one last issue, it resulted with few additional points at 4,775 in total.


Nice! I'm sorry that you no longer have the slocket, but for what it's worth those are really not THAT rare. I got at least 2 or 3 of them, and I even recently gave away 2 or 3 additional ones.

What's rare is to have the original package which indicates the jumper settings & makes it useful. Because I've tried Googling some of those random numbers & barcodes, but always came up empty, which rendered them pretty much useless

uh, this core has been through some rough times
it's nice to see it works, maybe double check if you still have 256K of cache or something like 235

 

[sl1pkn07]

Well, here are the dimensions and what the mounts look like on the MSI Master 2FAR.

Spoiler

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Screw holes are pretty much 1 1/2" to center, the overall is 3" and the main width is basically 5/8".

I thought this was a good mount but come to find out it is cracked through one of the screw holes as well.


And, thanks to @sam_86314 , he found a great high res picture of this exact motherboard with the mounts attached.

Spoiler

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Hi. Print that with PLA material... I have bad feels about it. Better ABS or ASA or other technical plastic.


What happen if you use the generic AMD mounts like the comes with the AM2/AM4 motherboards?. The bad of this you can't mount the original coolers

something like this

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Greetings

 

[stinger608]

Hi. Print that with PLA material... I have bad feels about it. Better ABS or ASA or other technical plastic.


What happen if you use the generic AMD mounts like the comes with the AM2/AM4 motherboards?. The bad of this you can't mount the original coolers

something like this

Page Not Found - Aliexpress.com

Greetings

The screw holes are to wide. Already tried this type of mount.

 

[Trekkie4]

uh, this core has been through some rough times
it's nice to see it works, maybe double check if you still have 256K of cache or something like 235

Nah, this is nothing compared to some of those Durons & Athlons...

Overall, this Coppermine is in pretty good condition. Used to be mounted on an old Epox motherboard which I recently sold to one of the guys on forum (it also featured a Voodoo3 3000, identical to the one I'm running now) but since he upgraded to Tualatin, he was kind enough to give me that P3 CPU back.

 

[sl1pkn07]

The screw holes are to wide. Already tried this type of mount.

Hi

i just found this

Cooling the MSI Master2 FAR

It's got dual Opterons and a non-standard (for AMD) heatsink mount.

icrontic.com

i hope helps you

greetings

 

[Mr.Scott]

Hi

i just found this

Cooling the MSI Master2 FAR

It's got dual Opterons and a non-standard (for AMD) heatsink mount.

icrontic.com

i hope helps you

greetings

It won't. You can't find any of those parts any more. Thread is 17 years old.

 

[sl1pkn07]

Xeon 603/604 Heatsink Base Clasp Retention Bracket - Socket-603 Xeon Cooler

Xeon 603/604 Heatsink Base Clasp Retention Bracket This (38MM mounting pitch) retention clasp bracket is only for "Base's Clip" cooling fan as shown picture. It also fits for 1U Socket-423, 603 and 604 coolers. If uncertain about this bracket...

store.cwc-group.com

Koolance Adapter, Intel Socket 604/771 Xeon

This adapter enables Koolance CPU-300 and CPU-305 cooling blocks to mount most Intel socket 604 and LGA771 Xeon processors (Nocona, Irwindale, Woodcrest, etc.).

www.performance-pcs.com

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for example. not the same but almost the same

 

[MaxiPro800]

Pulled the trigger on some stuff. Namely an Acer 7551G mobo (that probably just needs a new CMOS battery, the no-post fail mode is very common for Acer Wistron boards usually) and a retro kit comprised of:

Luckytech P5MVP3 Rev C mobo (that will get recapped as soon as I get it, along with an AT PSU I have) w/AMD K6-2 500MHz
64MB PC133 SDR (I have lots of 128MB sticks so it will go unused)
SB Live 5.1 PCI soundcard (not sure if I'll use this or an YMF719 ISA soundcard)
40GB WD HDD (again, not sure if I'll use this either, unless it has games on it)

Why these parts you ask? Well, I always loved the P5MVP3. Small little board, around the size of the HOT-591, and yet it can do alot of stuff. IIRC it even has 80pin IDE, as far as my memory goes, and thanks to its small form factor, you can turn it into a pretty versatile mini retro box.

Now, a few dilemmas I have regarding it:

1. OS - I've been initially thinking of going 98lite SE, mainly beacuse I have a "Win98 UBCD" DVD that takes care of that from the get-go - it's basically 98SE+utilities+updates+98lite, all selectable separately as you wish. At the same time, I also contemplate going 2k SP4, just because it can allow a bit more flexibility over apps than 98SE (thanks to BlackWingCat's extended kernel).

2. CPU - will I suffer any significant performance drops from this K6 over a P2 266MHz?

3. RAM - about what is the maximum the MVP3 chipset will take over the P2's 440LX.

4. Audio - is a SB Live 5.1 PCI any better over a YMF719? (or SB16 Value CT2770)

5. Recapping - what would be the best caps to use, Rubycon, Sanyo or Panasonic?

6. HDD - period correct drive or just stick with the 40GB WD?

 

[Trekkie4]

Well guys, my Adison adventure is slowly coming to an end. It's been a wild & crazy ride, ad I have many regrets (mainly not being able to do it sooner), but alas what's done is done.

Earlier today I received those two BTC CD-ROM drives, so after sorting things out & making sure that everything works OK (one of the drives did not, unfortunately) things are pretty much done. Here are 3 of my Adison towers, together:


And these are the two Adison 350 systems ... as identical as I could make them:


All of them (even the sleeper rig, not featured on any of these pics) are pretty much identical to what you could expect on one of these, back in 1998/1999. Here are couple of shots from their catalog, pay close attention to the first picture, where you can clearly recognize the BTC CD-ROM drive(s)

 

[Ruru]

20.8fps on Quake with a 486, nice..!

 

[framebuffer]

20.8fps on Quake with a 486, nice..!

awesome
also confirms how much fun, satisfying and effective overclock used to be, before intel ruined everything with SandyBride (or Haswell? don't remember)

 

[Ruru]

awesome
also confirms how much fun, satisfying and effective overclock used to be, before intel ruined everything with SandyBride (or Haswell? don't remember)

With Sandy overclocking Intels with bus clock was killed. :/

 

[framebuffer]

Woo look what I found in an old forum post, the list of my CPUs until 2008 and the clocks

> Pentium 3 450Mhz@600Mhz [Katmai]
> Celeron II 800Mhz@1.2Ghz [L2 128K]
> Athlon XP 1600+@1800+
> Pentium 4 1.6Ghz@2.4Ghz [FSB 400]
> Pentium 4 2.4Ghz@2.8Ghz [FSB 533]
> Pentium 4 2.4Ghz@3.0Ghz [FSB 800]
> Pentium 4 2.8Ghz@3.2Ghz [FSB 800]
> Athlon 64 3500+@2.6Ghz [Newcastle]
> Athlon 64 3200+@2.7Ghz [Winchester]
> Athlon 64 3000+@2.8Ghz [Venice]
> Athlon 64 3700+@2.7Ghz [San Diego]
> Athlon 64 X2 3800+@2.5Ghz [Manchester]
> Athlon 64 X2 4200+@2.7Ghz [Manchester]
> Pentium D 920 2.8GHz@4.2~4.4Ghz
> Core2Duo E6300 1.86Ghz@3.0Ghz
> Core2Duo E2140 1.6Ghz@3.3Ghz
> Core2Quad 6600 2.40Ghz@4.00Ghz

side systems

> Pentium M (Dothan) 745 1.73Ghz@ 2.7Ghz (CT-479 + P4P800-SE)
> Tualatin (256K) 1.1Ghz@1.47Ghz
> Pentium II 300Mhz@450Mhz

Also found the same thing for video cards, but only until 2005

> 3dfx Voodoo3 2000AGP 16MB, 143/143 @ 180/180 (195/195 with new heatsink)
> Hercules 3DProphet II MX Geforce2MX 32MB, 175/166 @ 192/192
> ATI Radeon 32MB DDR, 166/333@ 180/360
> Creative GeForce3 Ti200 64MB, 175/400 @ ?
> ASUS T2 Pure Ti200 64MB, 175/400 @ 220/480
> ASUS V8420S GeForce4 Ti4200 128MB, 275/550 @ 320/700
> Hercules Radeon 9800PRO 128MB, no OC
> HIS X800PRO VIVO MOD X800XT PE 256MB, 475/900 12p @ 520/1120 16p
> Sapphire X800XT PE 256MB, 520/1120 @580/1160
> 2xMSI 6600GT 128MB PCIe (SLI), 500/1000 @ 560/1120
> 2xMSI 7800GT 256MB PCIe (SLI), 400/1000 @ 460/1200
> ATI Radeon X1800XL 256MB, 500/1000 @ 650/1300

 

[QuietBob]

20.8fps on Quake with a 486, nice..!

Nice channel, worth checking out the other videos!

Coincidentally, I was testing Quake under DOS just yesterday. I don't have any real hardware from that period, but using DOSBox I was able to approximate the CPU performance quite accurately. At Quake's launch the fastest CPU was the Pentium 200 MHz. If you were among the lucky few to own it back in 1996, you would've seen around 45 fps at the default/lowest resolution of 320x200. Bumping it to 640x480 would only show about 15 fps on average.

I also tested Doom. Playing it on the then-fastest Pentium 66 MHz would've been a similar experience - about 45 fps in the original episode.

I played Doom when it came out on a 386DX-40, my first PC. I'm glad I had no idea of "frames per second" back then

 

[Ruru]

Nice channel, worth checking out the other videos!

Yeah, one of my favourite retro channels. hella interesting video and that guy knows what he's doing.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Woo look what I found in an old forum post, the list of my CPUs until 2008 and the clocks


> Core2Duo E6300 1.86Ghz@3.0Ghz
> Core2Duo E2140 1.6Ghz@3.3Ghz
> Core2Quad 6600 2.40Ghz@4.00Ghz

For me, I was lucky to get my E2180 OC'ed to 2.90 Ghz. At 3.0, it degraded, even when the volts weren't insanely high! Then I watch Prime95 fail sooner and sooner and sooner, even when I dropped the frequency to 2.928! What a poo chip! That was on my Asus P5QL Pro motherboard.

And for Core 2 Quads:

Asus Maximus II Gene (from 2009) with a Q6600 G0 "L804" with VID at 1.3250V, just like my E2180, IIRC. "Bus/Interconnect Error" WHEA uncorrectable error common at 367 Mhz FSB, when I had it at 367x9.0, for 3.3 Ghz at 1.39V. (according to CPU-Z, IIRC and 1.40, according to the BIOS interface) (I think I lost the chip lottery on this one, too, despite being a G0)

 

[framebuffer]

For me, I was lucky to get my E2180 OC'ed to 2.90 Ghz. At 3.0, it degraded, even when the volts weren't insanely high! Then I watch Prime95 fail sooner and sooner and sooner, even when I dropped the frequency to 2.928! What a poo chip! That was on my Asus P5QL Pro motherboard.

And for Core 2 Quads:

Asus Maximus II Gene (from 2009) with a Q6600 G0 "L804" with VID at 1.3250V, just like my E2180, IIRC. "Bus/Interconnect Error" WHEA uncorrectable error common at 367 Mhz FSB, when I had it at 367x9.0, for 3.3 Ghz at 1.39V. (according to CPU-Z, IIRC and 1.40, according to the BIOS interface) (I think I lost the chip lottery on this one, too, despite being a G0)

wow you remember everything!

I completely forgot the C2D period, maybe it was very short...
Instead I remember well the Q6600 because it was a CPU that I never booted into OS at stock, I overclocked it straight to 3.60 and then tuned up to 4.00 but I'm not sure if I used it daily at 4.0, most probably 3.80 or 3.6 and no idea of the voltages

I would have all the screenshots and results (and a lot of other stuff) but about 8 years ago I lost all during a data migration; I was sure that the folder was already copied on the new server but it wasn't, so I lost everything and it makes me furious even after all these years.
Since then I have always 3 copies on 3 different servers of all my data, so won't happen anymore, but still

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

I got the Maximus II Gene motherboard in 2013 and a used Q6600 in likely 2014. In 2013, I already had a Wolfdale E8400 C0 to pop in there, since I bought that one used in very-late 2012.

 

[Splinterdog]

Found this lovely machine on a Facebook retro group. Beautifully put together.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Well guys, my Adison adventure is slowly coming to an end. It's been a wild & crazy ride, ad I have many regrets (mainly not being able to do it sooner), but alas what's done is done.

Earlier today I received those two BTC CD-ROM drives, so after sorting things out & making sure that everything works OK (one of the drives did not, unfortunately) things are pretty much done. Here are 3 of my Adison towers, together:


And these are the two Adison 350 systems ... as identical as I could make them:


All of them (even the sleeper rig, not featured on any of these pics) are pretty much identical to what you could expect on one of these, back in 1998/1999. Here are couple of shots from their catalog, pay close attention to the first picture, where you can clearly recognize the BTC CD-ROM drive(s)

I don't remember person sized PC's? Still they don't look too bad , fairly modern, nice.

 

[Ruru]

Found this lovely machine on a Facebook retro group. Beautifully put together.
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A true flashback to the early 2000s when some people had rigs just like that.

 

[Trekkie4]

I don't remember person sized PC's? Still they don't look too bad , fairly modern, nice.

Speaking of person sized PCs, I'm still working on these things... In the process of setting up the first (technically, 2nd) Adison system, but things had been going the wrong way, and all around if I may add.

First, I had an issue with the CD-ROM drives, those BTC units. Long story short, the "36X" one was upgraded with 40X unit, but kept its nice & bright white "36X" front plate.
Then there was an issue with the modem. One system had an old ISA modem, from around early 90s. Older than the actual Pentium II system, so I found additional 56k V90 modem to match the specs of the other system. Both of them are even "Voice" models & have connectors for the headset & microphone.

And last (for now, that is) ... I've started experiencing rather unusual, weird behavior while playing the animations (videos), through AGP card. In my case - ATI Rage IIc. I assumed that it was the card behind all the issues and not something else, but after swapping out the ATI card for another (identical) one, RAM, flashing the BIOS, even removing all other expansion cards I STILL had the same issue. Somehow, I found the way around the issue by upgrading Rage IIc to a different revision. It seems to be newer at first glance (because it uses standardized, blue VGA output connector instead of the black ones on other two cards), but oddly enough uses EDO VRAM chips, rather than SD-VRAM ones on the card(s) which caused the system to hang & garbled picture.

I'm guessing that it's motherboard (not mine, the other one which came from ebay) - could be that the northbridge is somehow damaged, compromised or corrupted, or maybe one of those small SMDs are chipped off ... who knows? I can't see anything obviously wrong with the motherboard & otherwise seems to be working just fine. Even the "3D" acceleration from that Rage IIc, which obviously isn't going to compete against the Voodoo2, but it DOES work OK.

 

[Ruru]

About optical drives, I kinda liked how some manufacturers had damn cool faceplates on those instead of the typical, boring white/beige/black ones.