Intel Core i5-11400F

[RandallFlagg]

@HenrySomeone once 10th gen sells out I doubt used pricing will be all that good I sold a 6700K ($190)/8700k ($220)/9900k ($360) recently and to me that really isn't cheap considering you can get current gen chips for similar $$$ that are better for only a little more and in the case of the 9900k a 10850k for less. Although in this current whacky market I sold a 2600X for $180 and a 3600X for $225 used..... Not sure why people are panic buying on ebay nothing is overly hard to get other than Zen 3 and I mostly think that is due to scalpers being able to make a decent profit on 3 out of the 4 chips that now even Microcenter is getting in on the action.

Other than people who really need a cpu bad everyone who loves them some team blue should be waiting for Alderlake which will probably offer 80% more MT performance and better ST vs rocketlake while being on a much more future proof platform..... I buy whatever I find interesting so if it's actually decent I may pick it up assuming DDR5 isn't too stupidly priced at launch. Maybe we will get a chip that actually deserves to be called an i9 again.

Intel is still making 10th gen though. They've even released some new SKUs on 10th gen in Q1 2021. I think 10th gen will continue to be made in volume alongside 11th gen until Q4 at a minimum, and maybe longer. Keep in mind that there is nothing yet to replace Intel's HEDT 109XX HEDT CPUs, and I doubt there will be until AL.

The next big things we're likely to see from Intel and AMD will probably be in the laptop space. We've seen leaks but not much in terms of real products with Zen 3 laptop parts and Tiger Lake H45 yet.

Meanwhile this cpu isn't much more than the 3600 yet it goes head to head with the 5600X.

https://www.amazon.com/Intel-i7-10700F-Desktop-Processor-Graphics/dp/B086MN2XYL/
Intel Core i7-10700F $266.30

I have one big reservation on Gen 10, and saying that as someone who just picked up a 10850K.

I strongly suspect that single thread performance will become much more important in the future. Just the opposite of what the crowd tends to say. Simple reason - it's easier to develop for it, and it's advancing rapidly again. If we really do get another 20% IPC gain with AL and Zen 4, CML / Zen 2 and so on may look pretty weak on a lot of real applications in a couple years.

 

[Why_Me]

Intel is still making 10th gen though. They've even released some new SKUs on 10th gen in Q1 2021. I think 10th gen will continue to be made in volume alongside 11th gen until Q4 at a minimum, and maybe longer. Keep in mind that there is nothing yet to replace Intel's HEDT 109XX HEDT CPUs, and I doubt there will be until AL.

The next big things we're likely to see from Intel and AMD will probably be in the laptop space. We've seen leaks but not much in terms of real products with Zen 3 laptop parts and Tiger Lake H45 yet.



I have one big reservation on Gen 10, and saying that as someone who just picked up a 10850K.

I strongly suspect that single thread performance will become much more important in the future. Just the opposite of what the crowd tends to say. Simple reason - it's easier to develop for it, and it's advancing rapidly again. If we really do get another 20% IPC gain with AL and Zen 4, CML / Zen 2 and so on may look pretty weak on a lot of real applications in a couple years.

Intel continues to drop prices on both their 10th and 11 gen cpu's to where it's getting impossible to recommend an AMD build these days unless the OP has a fairly sizeable budget to work with.

 

[Caring1]

Value is paramount when I'm spending my own hard-earned money. Perf/$ is one of my primary metrics, and I'm not alone in that.

Exactly the reason the 10400f is still the value king IMO, sale prices make it excellent value.

 

[Raendor]

bit the bullet and ordered 11400f with asus b560-i mobo for my itx build, since my 6800xt is supposed to arrive next week. I was planning to upgrade to Alder Lake or Zen4 anyway, but if the prices for 11700f will fall just like for 10700f, I might just swap it in later and forego platform upgrades till next gpu upgrade which I won’t expect for another 4 years. At 1440p and 4K with high IQ it’s stupid to buy anything more just for gaming.

 

[RandallFlagg]

bit the bullet and ordered 11400f with asus b560-i mobo for my itx build, since my 6800xt is supposed to arrive next week. I was planning to upgrade to Alder Lake or Zen4 anyway, but if the prices for 11700f will fall just like for 10700f, I might just swap it in later and forego platform upgrades till next gpu upgrade which I won’t expect for another 4 years. At 1440p and 4K with high IQ it’s stupid to buy anything more just for gaming.

Do let us know how that goes. There's a real lack of information on the new B560 based boards and not really a whole lot on the 11400 yet either. What kind of memory do you plan to use?

 

[Raendor]

Do let us know how that goes. There's a real lack of information on the new B560 based boards and not really a whole lot on the 11400 yet either. What kind of memory do you plan to use?

sure, I’ll share my experience and will try to compare to some benchmarks out there, although intel cou plus amd gpu seems like a more rare combo these days. One of the reasons why I chose this combo is that I’d still wanna upgrade to lga1700/zen4 if they end up good and reasonably priced, and thus didn’t want to invest too much. I’m planning to use my g.skill tridentz 2x8gb 16-16-16-36 3200 kit I already had in my 6700k gtx1080 rig and maybe tune it slightly to run at higher speed or lower timing. Don’t think it’ll ultimately matter much though.

Haven’t had a red team gpu since 2004, so it’s all quite curious.

 

[Baum]

This 165€ or

Intel Core i5-10400F (143€) ? Price difference is 15 to 25€ depending where you shop :-/​

 

[altermere]

This 165€ or

Intel Core i5-10400F (143€) ? Price difference is 15 to 25€ depending where you shop :-/​

i think 10400 can match or dominate 11400 with asrock BFB feature (uncorked power limit). but i dunno, support for that feature was spotty in the past, it can go away with a bios update since it's technically not sanctioned by intel. but judging by the youtube reviews and product pages their b560 lineup should have it.

 

[W1zzard]

asrock BFB feature

This has been shut down by Intel a long time ago. CPU will measure its BCLK and stop the CPU if BCLK >= 103 MHz

 

[Why_Me]

This has been shut down by Intel a long time ago. CPU will measure its BCLK and stop the CPU if BCLK >= 103 MHz

https://www.asrock.com/microsite/2020BFB/ <--- Looks like Asrock might be offering it again.

 

[W1zzard]

https://www.asrock.com/microsite/2020BFB/ <--- Looks like Asrock might have be offering it again.

Oh, this not the BCLK hack that I was thinking of. Looks like this is just power limit for 65 W SKUs set to 125 W. Nothing to see here, you can do that manually on every single motherboard. If it has no options to set PL1 and PL2 use ThrottleStop, from within Windows, without reboot

 

[Why_Me]

New review on this cpu.

Intel Core i5-11400F Review: The New Value Champ

The Core i5-11400F coupled with a B560 motherboard make for an interesting build configuration, as it's significantly cheaper than the Core i5-11600K/Z590 and less than the cost...

www.techspot.com

 

[RandallFlagg]

Just to add, you can adjust PL1/PL2 and Tau in real time without even going into BIOS using Intel's XTU (Extreme Tuning Utility). I used this to adjust my power levels to what my old air cooler can handle until my AIO arrives.

So you can really tune any Intel rig to whatever your cooler can handle, whatever temperatures you're comfortable getting to, and use case specific things like high turbo for short durations by adjusting multiplier (on K-series chips), tau, and PL1/PL2.

What really makes this cool is being able to do it without a reboot. Tweak, test, tweak again, test, repeat.

 

[Thuban]

The beauty of power limit adjustments is that you can freely choose any power limit, so just pick a value like 95 W, which is still a huge improvement over the 65 W default.

Could this be done strictly in bios, and software/drivers independent unlike Ryzen Masters Eco mode?

I world prefer to avoid post boot tinkering with these settings aka Extreme Tuning Utility / ThrottleStop.

 

[W1zzard]

Could this be done strictly in bios, and software/drivers independent unlike Ryzen Masters Eco mode?

I world prefer to avoid post boot tinkering with these settings aka Extreme Tuning Utility / ThrottleStop.

Most decent BIOSes let you adjust power limits. We just meant "as last resort use ThrottleStop"

 

[braveswin11]

So I am in the process of building my first ever PC (primarily for gaming), and I was going to get the 3600 until I heard about the 11400f. Seems like a pretty good deal especially after unlocking the power limit. I was just wondering how to go about selecting a motherboard with a BIOS that can unlock the power limit and handle the unlocked power limit? Like does chipset matter (H570 vs B560)?

 

[Why_Me]

So I am in the process of building my first ever PC (primarily for gaming), and I was going to get the 3600 until I heard about the 11400f. Seems like a pretty good deal especially after unlocking the power limit. I was just wondering how to go about selecting a motherboard with a BIOS that can unlock the power limit and handle the unlocked power limit? Like does chipset matter (H570 vs B560)?

These boards have decent VRM's.

https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-b560-e-gaming-wifi-model/

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/All-series/TUF-GAMING-B560-PLUS-WIFI/

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B560-AORUS-PRO-AX-rev-10#kfb

MAG B560M MORTAR WIFI

Powered by Intel 11th Gen Core processors, the MSI MAG B560M MORTAR WIFI is hardened with performance essential specifications to outlast enemies. Tuned for better performance by Core boost, DDR4 Boost, Premium Thermal Solution, M.2 Shield Frozr, USB 3.2

www.msi.com

Launching to New Heights – MSI 500 Series Motherboard

Made for Gamers and Creators. MSI 500 Series motherboards support 10th and 11th gen Intel core processors with PCIe Gen 4 and enhanced thermal. Gen 4 supporting makes users experience efficient transfer speed and execellent heat dissipation keep the perfo

www.msi.com

 

[braveswin11]

These boards have decent VRM's.

https://rog.asus.com/motherboards/rog-strix/rog-strix-b560-e-gaming-wifi-model/

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/All-series/TUF-GAMING-B560-PLUS-WIFI/

https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B560-AORUS-PRO-AX-rev-10#kfb

MAG B560M MORTAR WIFI

Powered by Intel 11th Gen Core processors, the MSI MAG B560M MORTAR WIFI is hardened with performance essential specifications to outlast enemies. Tuned for better performance by Core boost, DDR4 Boost, Premium Thermal Solution, M.2 Shield Frozr, USB 3.2

www.msi.com

Launching to New Heights – MSI 500 Series Motherboard

Made for Gamers and Creators. MSI 500 Series motherboards support 10th and 11th gen Intel core processors with PCIe Gen 4 and enhanced thermal. Gen 4 supporting makes users experience efficient transfer speed and execellent heat dissipation keep the perfo

www.msi.com

Thanks! Another question since I am new, but how does one determine if a motherboard has a "decent VRM"? For example, I am looking at this board: https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/All-series/PRIME-B560-PLUS/

 

[RandallFlagg]

Thanks! Another question since I am new, but how does one determine if a motherboard has a "decent VRM"? For example, I am looking at this board: https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards-Components/Motherboards/All-series/PRIME-B560-PLUS/

I have a Z490 Prime with a 10850K now, it's nearly the same VRM design (8-phase) and I'll just say VRM is not an issue and is unlikely to be a problem with an 11400F.

The 11400F can pull upwards of 250W in synthetic stress tests though, and you can't cool that with anything less than a top line 360mm AIO and really would need custom loop if it is sustained.

What I mean is, unlocking the 11400/F is not like the 10400 where you could just do it with the stock cooler no issues.

I think what is best, rather than 100% unlocking power limits, is something along the lines as what I've done below on a 10850K.

Unlimited power boost for short duration
Over a 32 second period of time, the max average power draw is 190W :

So I had the 10850K before I got a 240MM AIO, using a cheap $20-$30 air cooler (Thermaltake Contac Silent 12, which is rated for 150W and seems to do a bit better than that).

It was fine with the *turbo boost power max set at 160W and the time window at 28s.*

That's basically what I'd suggest for an 11400F, though you'd want to tweak it for your specific environment. That will not stress the B560 prime's VRM, and the coolers can be had for cheap. And in the weird event that you run something that *would* make it over heat (because it is possible for it to pull 250W) then that power limit with stop it.

You could also go to a nicer air cooler like the Noctua that TPU used, ~$60USD, but I don't think it's necessary to get a top line air cooler like that for the 11400.

 

[altermere]

So I am in the process of building my first ever PC (primarily for gaming), and I was going to get the 3600 until I heard about the 11400f. Seems like a pretty good deal especially after unlocking the power limit. I was just wondering how to go about selecting a motherboard with a BIOS that can unlock the power limit and handle the unlocked power limit? Like does chipset matter (H570 vs B560)?

those two chipsets are virtually the same. and for cooler i'd recommend a Vetroo V5, seems to be a hidden gem for the price as it punches above it's weight.

 

[Raendor]

Installed the cpu and mobo alongside gpu yesterday. Put long-term power limit to 125 and left the short term at default 154. Gear 1 with CL16 3200 memory 1T.

So far I’m extremely pleased as my fps in RDR2 is damn high (way above 120 at high 1440p settings majority of time), while cpu utilization sits around 40-50-60 mark and temps are great. Doesn’t go nowhere near crazy power draw. Asus b560-i is a nice board too. Liked how convenient was to install asus utility that updated all drivers and doesn’t act like bloatware. They certainly improved. All in all - no regrets as I especially read about usb troubles. And happy to forget about OC. Wasted so much time on it over the years. I can only welcome that manufacturers now squeeze it all via binnig at the factory.

 

[Why_Me]

AMD trying to find an answer for the 11400F and they struck out.

AMD’s Ryzen 5 3500X Selling in US, No Longer China Exclusive

But its price tag is hard to swallow amidst stiff Intel competition

www.tomshardware.com

 

[altermere]

AMD trying to find an answer for the 11400F and they struck out.

AMD’s Ryzen 5 3500X Selling in US, No Longer China Exclusive

But its price tag is hard to swallow amidst stiff Intel competition

www.tomshardware.com

poor volta... good luck selling that gutless wonder even for $120.

 

[Why_Me]

 

[Mplay020]

Looking at the Gigabyte B560 D3H, as I need a legacy PCI slot. Would it's 6+2 power phase be able to handle the 11400f without power limit?