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[Caring1]

Hi,
Texas legislators unanimously banned covid vaccination passports plus 14 other states have done similar, medical history is private once again !!!
Now no business/.... can't ask if someone has been vaccinated that isn't wearing a mask and can not be refused entry and services.

A person's medical history was never at risk of being exposed, only if a person had been vaccinated against Covid.
Private businesses still retain the right to serve who they want as anybody can be refused service or entry at the whim of the business with no reason given.

 

[TheLostSwede]

Uurrggh...
Here comes the xenophobia of Taiwan creeping. They have the ability to test "migrant workers" i.e. blue collar workers or factory workers that already work in Taiwan under near slave like contracts, but clearly not to test the local population. I bet these 202 people and all other "migrant workers" will be put in a separate pile, to make the overall case numbers look better. I really hate this side of Taiwan.

10,000 migrant workers to receive COVID tests at 3 industrial parks in Taiwan's Kaohsiung | Taiwan News | Jun. 8, 2021 18:45

www.taiwannews.com.tw

202 foreign workers test positive for COVID at 4 tech firms in Taiwans Miaoli | Taiwan News | Jun. 8, 2021 18:49

www.taiwannews.com.tw

 

[Ahhzz]

Uurrggh...
Here comes the xenophobia of Taiwan creeping. They have the ability to test "migrant workers" i.e. blue collar workers or factory workers that already work in Taiwan under near slave like contracts, but clearly not to test the local population. I bet these 202 people and all other "migrant workers" will be put in a separate pile, to make the overall case numbers look better. I really hate this side of Taiwan.

10,000 migrant workers to receive COVID tests at 3 industrial parks in Taiwan's Kaohsiung | Taiwan News | Jun. 8, 2021 18:45

www.taiwannews.com.tw

202 foreign workers test positive for COVID at 4 tech firms in Taiwans Miaoli | Taiwan News | Jun. 8, 2021 18:49

www.taiwannews.com.tw

To be fair, it's not like Taiwan has a sparkling history of not being invaded from time to time...

 

[Tatty_Two]

A person's medical history was never at risk of being exposed, only if a person had been vaccinated against Covid.
Private businesses still retain the right to serve who they want as anybody can be refused service or entry at the whim of the business with no reason given.

Very true, well for the UK, I have my vaccination record as a standalone PDF on my mobile phone barcoded etc, I got it from my medical records but anyone who legally asks to see it will only view my PDF and photo identity. That way as it's quite likely that international travel will require proof of vaccination at some point it's easy.

 

[64K]

imo anyone who travels by plane should have to show proof of vaccination. You have so many people crammed up close together in planes and yes you can make masks mandatory but people remove them so that they can eat if the flight is long or even something as simple as drinking some water. If you have the Covid virus and you sneeze while your mask is off then the droplets from the sneeze can travel 27 feet (8 meters)

How far does a sneeze travel?

A sneeze travels about 8 metres depending on conditions including temperature and humidity.

www.newscientist.com

Being vaccinated isn't going to give people 100% immunity to still catch the Covid virus and pass it on to people that aren't vaccinated but it cuts the odds way down.

 

[dragontamer5788]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/06/08/coronavirus-covid-live-updates-us/#link-UELFDVWCXZGPLNRVTMZW2IE4BE

Millions of unused doses of the Johnson & Johnson coronavirus vaccine are set to expire this month, as federal and state health officials scramble to get as many shots into arms as possible despite a drop in demand.

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Doses have already been disposed of in Oklahoma, where demand for the vaccine has dropped to a worrying level, Deputy Commissioner of Health Keith Reed told Oklahoma City outlet KOCO News. The daily average of doses administered fell by 15 percent in recent weeks, according to data compiled by The Washington Post.

Those damn anti-vaxxers ain't getting their shots, and now the vaccines are beginning to expire. I was feeling quite pessimistic about the anti-vax crowd, I didn't expect the repercussions to come so swiftly.

Frankly, this drop in demand is likely permanent. USA ought to send more vaccines overseas, where people who actually appreciate the risks of COVID19. We didn't reach herd immunity as a country, so lets start sending the vaccine elsewhere so those other countries have a chance at herd immunity themselves.

EDIT: I should at that my state still has thousands of vaccinations/day, and we're continuing to grow past the ~70% 1st dose threshold of (assumed) herd immunity, at least in the 18+ age group. I expect that we as a state will reach over 70% 2nd dose. Lets hope that ~70% is enough to protect at least my neighbors / fellow citizens in my state, even if it looks like we as a country will fail.

 

[hat]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/06/08/coronavirus-covid-live-updates-us/#link-UELFDVWCXZGPLNRVTMZW2IE4BE

Those damn anti-vaxxers ain't getting their shots, and now the vaccines are beginning to expire. I was feeling quite pessimistic about the anti-vax crowd, I didn't expect the repercussions to come so swiftly.

Frankly, this drop in demand is likely permanent. USA ought to send more vaccines overseas, where people who actually appreciate the risks of COVID19. We didn't reach herd immunity as a country, so lets start sending the vaccine elsewhere so those other countries have a chance at herd immunity themselves.

EDIT: I should at that my state still has thousands of vaccinations/day, and we're continuing to grow past the ~70% 1st dose threshold of (assumed) herd immunity, at least in the 18+ age group. I expect that we as a state will reach over 70% 2nd dose. Lets hope that ~70% is enough to protect at least my neighbors / fellow citizens in my state, even if it looks like we as a country will fail.

I don't think it's wise to draw conclusions by looking at the J&J vaccine only. It was recalled at one point because it had some issues, so trust in that particular vaccine is way down. People are more likely to get Pfizer or Moderna.

 

[TheLostSwede]

274 cases and 25 dead today. Although, as I expected, the "migrant workers" that were discovered after yesterday's announcement, are not part of those cases...

Taiwan reports 274 local COVID cases, 25 deaths | Taiwan News | Jun. 9, 2021 20:26

www.taiwannews.com.tw

Also...

COVID fatality rate in Taiwan climbs to 2.8% | Taiwan News | Jun. 9, 2021 15:34

www.taiwannews.com.tw

Taiwan human rights group condemns COVID stay-at-home order for migrant workers | Taiwan News | Jun. 9, 2021 13:36

www.taiwannews.com.tw

 

[Space Lynx]

US has bought and will donate 500 million doses of Pfizer's vaccine worldwide

The US has purchased and will donate 500 million doses of Pfizer's Covid-19 vaccine worldwide as it seeks to be a key player in getting other nations vaccinated, a person familiar with the move told CNN.

www.cnn.com

USA has bought 500 million doses of Pfizer vaccine and distributing them worldwide... very nice... lets hope Taiwan gets a few million of those at least! @TheLostSwede

 

[Xzibit]

Being vaccinated isn't going to give people 100% immunity to still catch the Covid virus and pass it on to people that aren't vaccinated but it cuts the odds way down.

In "mostly" healthy people. A reminder.

There is little data about vaccines’ effectiveness in people with underlying health problems, especially immune impairment, because they weren’t included in the vaccines’ initial trials.

That's why they are the occasional local news of a full vax person dying with possible underlying conditions and they will continue to be. Especially as the various variants become more wide spread.

 

[Space Lynx]

In "mostly" healthy people. A reminder.



That's why they are the occasional local news of a full vax person dying with possible underlying conditions and they will continue to be. Especially as the various variants become more wide spread.

yep, the India variant makes pfizer and moderna weep. one shot of pfizer and moderna is only 33% effective against the India variant vs it used to be almost 82% with the first shot against original variant... the virus is finding a way... I think we are seeing a stretch of peace for about 10-14 months, and we will see new powerful variants that spread easier than even the UK and India variant shut down the world again.

I don't think the mRNA makers will be able to counter with boosters fast enough. 6 trillion dollars usa wasted on covid spending... you can only print endless money for so long...

I do hope I am wrong. I got my Pfizer shot yesterday.

edit: sauce https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...ta-variant-of-covid-is-on-the-rise-in-the-u-s

 

[the54thvoid]

yep, the India variant makes pfizer and moderna weep. one shot of pfizer and moderna is only 33% effective against the India variant vs it used to be almost 82% with the first shot against original variant... the virus is finding a way... I think we are seeing a stretch of peace for about 10-14 months, and we will see new powerful variants that spread easier than even the UK and India variant shut down the world again.

I don't think the mRNA makers will be able to counter with boosters fast enough. 6 trillion dollars usa wasted on covid spending... you can only print endless money for so long...

I do hope I am wrong. I got my Pfizer shot yesterday.

edit: sauce https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...ta-variant-of-covid-is-on-the-rise-in-the-u-s

Yeah but remember, those vaccines are two dose vaccines. After two doses, they're still highly effective (88%).

 

[Space Lynx]

Yeah but remember, those vaccines are two dose vaccines. After two doses, they're still highly effective (88%).

I know, I just meant the trend is worrying. Won't be the last time it mutates, and it seems odd to me that the UK variant spread easier, and the India variant more easily than the UK variant... it just is troubling to me. Hopefully it comes to nothing.

 

[Xzibit]

They are rare but expect the numbers to keep climbing slowly.

In one County they reported 458 "Breakthrough Cases". 1 death with underlying conditions to B117 UK Variant.
Another county reported 939 "Breakthrough Cases" 12 deaths 4 of the 12 had underlying conditions.

 

[Space Lynx]

They are rare but expect the numbers to keep climbing slowly.

In one County they reported 458 "Breakthrough Cases". 1 death with underlying conditions to B117 UK Variant.
Another county reported 939 "Breakthrough Cases" 12 deaths 4 of the 12 had underlying conditions.

I really dislike the use of "underlying conditions" that could mean so many things with covid. and like half the population has high blood pressure or diabetes or both. its not a big deal really, I just feel that term can be misleading, as if an underlying condition is somehow rare in this context.

 

[dragontamer5788]

I know, I just meant the trend is worrying. Won't be the last time it mutates, and it seems odd to me that the UK variant spread easier, and the India variant more easily than the UK variant... it just is troubling to me. Hopefully it comes to nothing.

Its just survival of the fittest. The variant that spreads more easily will become the dominant strain, all else being equal.

So how do we win? Pretty simple really. We stop it from spreading. If we get vaccinated and the virus slows down, then it won't have the chance to mutate in the first place.

 

[64K]

Its just survival of the fittest. The variant that spreads more easily will become the dominant strain, all else being equal.

So how do we win? Pretty simple really. We stop it from spreading. If we get vaccinated and the virus slows down, then it won't have the chance to mutate in the first place.

That's the problem. 25% of Americans say they are not going to get vaccinated for one reason or another.

 

[R0H1T]

Its just survival of the fittest. The variant that spreads more easily will become the dominant strain, all else being equal.

That's not necessarily true though is it? A strain which can combat vaccines or other drugs used for treatment might become the dominant strain, even if it spreads less than other variants. Did the Spanish Flu meet the same fate? Who knows, I haven't really found a concrete answer as to why it kind of stopped in its tracks. Did the entire world really reach herd immunity or what?

Spanish Flu ‑ Symptoms, How It Began & Ended

The Spanish flu pandemic of 1918, the deadliest in history, infected an estimated 500 million people worldwide—about one‑third of the planet’s population—and killed an estimated 20 million to 50 million victims, including some 675,000 Americans.

www.history.com

 

[64K]

That's not necessarily true though is it? A strain which can combat vaccines or other drugs used for treatment might become the dominant strain, even if it spreads less than other variants. Did the Spanish Flu meet the same fate? Who knows, I haven't really found a concrete answer as to why it kind of stopped in its tracks. Did the entire world really reach herd immunity or what?

Spanish Flu ‑ Symptoms, How It Began & Ended

The Spanish flu pandemic of 1918, the deadliest in history, infected an estimated 500 million people worldwide—about one‑third of the planet’s population—and killed an estimated 20 million to 50 million victims, including some 675,000 Americans.

www.history.com

I read somewhere that the Spanish Flu mutated into a strain that was less deadly and less contagious. Mutations don't always have to get more deadly and contagious. Sometimes they go the other way.

 

[R0H1T]

Mutations don't always have to get more deadly and contagious. Sometimes they go the other way.

Yes that's what I'm thinking as well, remember variants or mutant strains aren't just fighting vaccines or medicines they're also competing among themselves.

Also the mutations aren't in their proverbial hands. It isn't something they can stop or control at any given point.

 

[dragontamer5788]

That's the problem. 25% of Americans say they are not going to get vaccinated for one reason or another.

We're at 50% vaccinated as a country, not enough for herd immunity, but enough to exponentially cut down on the number of cases by 50% per generation. That's a sizable slowdown in COVID19 cases, no matter how you look at it.

The reason why countries like India are getting new mutations, is because they're largely unvaccinated and the virus is spreading. Even if we reach 50% (far less than any herd immunity estimate I've seen), that's still a HUGE reduction in COVID19 spread, and the virus's mutation speed will drop severely (far more than 50% slower. Its 50% slower in the 1st generation, then 75% slower in the 2nd, 87.5% slower in the 3rd... etc. etc. etc.)

R0 = 3 is 66% vaccination for herd immunity. Even if those 25% people don't take it, we're gonna be awfully close to herd immunity when its all over. Even if we're not quite at herd immunity, we're high enough that I can comfortably say that the USA probably won't be the source of the next mutation. The virus is just spreading elsewhere in the world, and our focus needs to shift towards the worldwide problem (vaccinating other populations before the disease mutates again).

 

[claes]

That's not necessarily true though is it? A strain which can combat vaccines or other drugs used for treatment might become the dominant strain, even if it spreads less than other variants. Did the Spanish Flu meet the same fate? Who knows, I haven't really found a concrete answer as to why it kind of stopped in its tracks. Did the entire world really reach herd immunity or what?

Spanish Flu ‑ Symptoms, How It Began & Ended

The Spanish flu pandemic of 1918, the deadliest in history, infected an estimated 500 million people worldwide—about one‑third of the planet’s population—and killed an estimated 20 million to 50 million victims, including some 675,000 Americans.

www.history.com

I read somewhere that the Spanish Flu mutated into a strain that was less deadly and less contagious. Mutations don't always have to get more deadly and contagious. Sometimes they go the other way.

Yes that's what I'm thinking as well, remember variants or mutant strains aren't just fighting vaccines or medicines they're also competing among themselves.

Also the mutations aren't in their proverbial hands. It isn't something they can stop or control at any given point.

IIRC this is why we have the seasonal flu (please correct me if I’m wrong!)? Variants that kill everyone died out because we isolated those infected and treated them seriously while variants that were mostly innocuous lived because they weren’t treated.

 

[the54thvoid]

IIRC this is why we have the seasonal flu (please correct me if I’m wrong!)? Variants that kill everyone died out because we isolated those infected and treated them seriously while variants that were mostly innocuous lived because they weren’t treated.

This is true AFAIK.

The seasonal flu jabs were created in response to evolving variants. With finite resources, attention is focused on the more worrying variants.

I've also seen a viral epidemiologist saying that once we're over Covid (as such) and normality resumes, there'll be a killer flu season.

With Covid the main focus, the flu viruses are off the radar. No new vaccines to match the mutations. Also, as a human population, our Covid precautions have nearly eliminated seasonal flu. But it also means our antibodies are 'out of date'. Next flu season will be a double whammy. No natural antibodies, no up to date vaccines.

And the longer people are selfish, ignore sensible advice, and don't take the vaccines, the longer this shit show goes on.

 

[R0H1T]

Not sure that's the case, you're talking about the Spanish Flu right? The incident from 100+ years back?

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

So I think trying to convince an anti vaxer atheist with that might not work out but thanks anyway.

Why is the Nuremberg Code being used to oppose Covid-19 vaccines? - Full Fact

Social media users are incorrectly citing the medical ethics code to argue against Covid-19 vaccination.

fullfact.org

Great start to what I was looking for with in page links to further pages full of great facts and info, wrote in a nonbiased, honest, and informative facts and info.

Yes it was a search initially aimed at a specific aspect a friend has been doing my head in with(several very shouty arguments have occurred, I'm vaxed, but about to die to him as is his whole family(/everyone tut), etc), but it is a great jump-off point to further knowledge