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Microsoft Clears Way for Windows 11: Windows 10 Support to End October 14th, 2025

Whatever, getting bored of 10, and 8.1 and 7 are antique relics belonging in a museum. Whoever's still using them should get a reality check.

Updates never gave me an issue, and my whole experience with 10 has been more stable than with both 8.1 and 7 combined. 7 had the worst update agent I've ever seen, always breaking and giving out errors. 10 never forced updates down my throat and just asked me to install them whenever I wanted to. The best part is its update agent never broke either.

If telemetry is a problem with you, know that 7 has all the 10 "telemetry" backported onto it, so you're not safe. You're not safe on Linux distros either. If you're such a privacy freak, unplug your ethernet cord.

Looking forward to whatever the next OS will shape up to be.
 
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They can call it whatever they want, as long as they make my bluetooth headphones work properly. 2 different systems both with ton of issues. And guess what, on my android phone everything works like a charm...
 
I kind of like the idea of the Control Panel going away if Microsoft were to ever get around to implementing everything that the old Control Panel applets do. A lot of companies liked to add shit to the Control Panel for no good reason other than to clutter the damn thing up. (I'm looking at you, Adobe! You're the worst of them all!)
 
Windows 10 is a really poor OS and those on the front line of updates are essentially MS QA team... It's a bugy mess with the old interfaces all mish mashed in with the new and seriously lacks polish.

Surely there must end up being a serious OS competitor for the x86 space, now so much is done via browser anyway, all those legacy apps are much less important than years ago.
 
lexluthermiester said:
On this we disagree. I like the fine-grained controls available in the control panel, much of which is either not as fine-grained or not present at all in the Win10 Settings app. Completely unacceptable in my personal and professional opinion.
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When if the Settings app was feature-complete? Unlike what we have now which is a mish-mash of Settings app this and Control Panel that.
 
Wonder how much it will cost.
 
Andy Shiekh said:
Wonder how much it will cost.
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Most likely our privacy and our dignity. Oh, plus $14.99 per month for Home edition.

Emily said:
Whatever, getting bored of 10, and 8.1 and 7 are antique relics belonging in a museum. Whoever's still using them should get a reality check.

Updates never gave me an issue, and my whole experience with 10 has been more stable than with both 8.1 and 7 combined. 7 had the worst update agent I've ever seen, always breaking and giving out errors. 10 never forced updates down my throat and just asked me to install them whenever I wanted to. The best part is its update agent never broke either.

If telemetry is a problem with you, know that 7 has all the 10 "telemetry" backported onto it, so you're not safe. You're not safe on Linux distros either. If you're such a privacy freak, unplug your ethernet cord.

Looking forward to whatever the next OS will shape up to be.
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Where do I even begin from?
 
trparky said:
When if the Settings app was feature-complete? Unlike what we have now which is a mish-mash of Settings app this and Control Panel that.
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Technically, the control panel still works if you force 10 to grant direct access to it through a utility or shell(like Open Shell).

Emily said:
Imagine paying for Windows.
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What do you mean?

zlobby said:
Most likely our privacy and our dignity. Oh, plus $14.99 per month for Home edition.
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Screw that crap. I will not "subscribe" to an OS. If Microsoft pulls that BS they will get the two fingered salute from a great many people.
 
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Get ready for subscription based Windows. I myself having been playing enough in Linux to love its power and will switch completely once MS does this.
 
Does this mean, that MS is giving up on concept of "Windows as service"? Those automatic updates to higher version are getting tiresome.
 
BorisDG said:
Didn't Microsoft said back then when Windows 10 was coming, that they are stopping with the numbering and just gonna release updates? And that will be just "Windows" or I'm missing something?
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If you're crediting Microsoft with doing what they say then you've known a different Microsoft to me for the last 30 years :D
 
lexluthermiester said:
What do you mean?
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He/she means that whoever of home users doesn't buy pre-made PC and builds it at home, is more likely to spend money on HW, not OS. If they don´t pirate, they buy license keys from 3rd party company with multi-licence for about 5-10 EUR, which (at least in EU) is completely legal.
 
Easo said:
It is so tiring to see the M$ and TELEMETRY in comments. Seriously, which year it is? I bet most of those comments come from people who manage to become part of botnets and "totally know what they are doing" when disabling Windows Update and other services.
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Your ISP knows who you are, where you live, has access to your money, and - if you haven't changed your DNS servers, knows every single site you've ever been to.
If you VPN all your traffic you're on their "suspicious user" list already. Your ISP is probably evil but they're nothing compared to Alphabet/Bezos/Zuckerberg

Microsoft's telemetry is a trivial concern compared to what your ISP knows about you, and your ISP's monitoring of your usage is negligible compared to what Google/Amazon/Facebook have on you.
 
Robin Seina said:
He/she means that whoever of home users doesn't buy pre-made PC and builds it at home, is more likely to spend money on HW, not OS. If they don´t pirate, they buy license keys from 3rd party company with multi-licence for about 5-10 EUR, which (at least in EU) is completely legal.
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Let's let them speak for themselves...
 
lexluthermiester said:
There's an old saying: If it's not broken, DON'T fix it.
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The problem with so many software developers these days is that they are constantly trying to add new stuff nobody asked for without fixing the old stuff the won them the business in the first place.
They seem oblivious to the fact that the old broken stuff is their core business.
In Microsoft's case, it's a usable UI for hardware options, a file/storage interface, and Win32 software compatibility. If you take any one of those three things away it becomes a dumpster fire which is why Windows 8 was a disaster, Explorer has remained unchanged, and UWP has been mostly ignored by developers and users alike.
 
lexluthermiester said:
On this we disagree. I like the fine-grained controls available in the control panel, much of which is either not as fine-grained or not present at all in the Win10 Settings app. Completely unacceptable in my personal and professional opinion.
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yep I love the control panel... has a lot of nice little features. if they get rid of this that is the day i turn off updates. lol

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lexluthermiester said:
On this we disagree. I like the fine-grained controls available in the control panel, much of which is either not as fine-grained or not present at all in the Win10 Settings app. Completely unacceptable in my personal and professional opinion.
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You're describing the half-baked incomplete transition to the modernUI settings app.
If everything you could do in Control Panel could be done in Settings, nobody would have an issue with it, but stupid shit missing is why we still need two systems, and why the Settings apps exposes the ugly truth and drops back down to the Control Panel for half its stuff. This is why it's called "lipstick on a pig" or "polishing a turd" because the Settings app is just a new coat of paint hastily thrown over the top of the old Control Panel, rather than an actual update of the Control Panel.
 
Lycanwolfen said:
Get ready for subscription based Windows. I myself having been playing enough in Linux to love its power and will switch completely once MS does this.
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M$ are paying a lot of attention to Linux lately. I'm genuinely afraid they will pull another EEE on Linux, and that would be the end of it.
Chrispy_ said:
Your ISP knows who you are, where you live, has access to your money, and - if you haven't changed your DNS servers, knows every single site you've ever been to.
If you VPN all your traffic you're on their "suspicious user" list already. Your ISP is probably evil but they're nothing compared to Alphabet/Bezos/Zuckerberg

Microsoft's telemetry is a trivial concern compared to what your ISP knows about you, and your ISP's monitoring of your usage is negligible compared to what Google/Amazon/Facebook have on you.
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Mine doesn't. I'm investing lots of resources making sure so.

lexluthermiester said:
Technically, the control panel still works if you force 10 to grant direct access to it through a utility or shell(like Open Shell).


What do you mean?


Screw that crap. I will not "subscribe" to an OS. If Microsoft pulls that BS they will get the two fingered salute from a great many people.
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M$ never have earned much from the 'great many people'. They were mainly relying on SOHO and enterprise customers. If they go for an OSaS I'm afraid this will change.
 
Andy Shiekh said:
Wonder how much it will cost.
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If there's a cost that means no adverts, suggestions, Candy Crush Saga, trialware tiles in the start menu, then I'll gladly pay it.

Windows 10 feels like a F2P game. I can afford a $60 AAA title without microtransactions, adverts, and grind to increase the amount of time spent looking at adverts.
 
Let the Microsoft Direct X new version API hostage negotiations begin. This is why we need more Vulkan games prominence quite frankly. It would be wonderful if collectively people were like nope Microsoft we don't agree to your terms of service we're switching to Linux this time around have fun being BASIC AF though with your current XEROX OS version number sales pitch.
 
Chrispy_ said:
If there's a cost that means no adverts, suggestions, Candy Crush Saga, trialware tiles in the start menu, then I'll gladly pay it.

Windows 10 feels like a F2P game. I can afford a $60 AAA title without microtransactions, adverts, and grind to increase the amount of time spent looking at adverts.
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Amen!
 
I won't lie though, if they figured out a way to make an all glass rounded tablet with no bezel's at all, sort of like those squares in the picture... that would be super nice looking...

with OLED
 
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