Maps, science, data & statistics tracking of COVID-19

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If the lady at the beginning takes the vaccine she improves her chances of not dying by 0.002 according to the benefit and risk prevention data.

According to the CDC vaccines help keep you from getting seriously ill even if you do get Covid. If you don't get seriously ill from Covid then how can that not reduce your chances of dying from Covid?

Benefits of Getting a COVID-19 Vaccine

What you need to know about getting a COVID-19 vaccination.

www.cdc.gov

 

[Space Lynx]

According to the CDC vaccines help keep you from getting seriously ill even if you do get Covid. If you don't get seriously ill from Covid then how can that not reduce your chances of dying from Covid?

Benefits of Getting a COVID-19 Vaccine

What you need to know about getting a COVID-19 vaccination.

www.cdc.gov

the evidence is very clear cut for this yeah, breakthrough cases are not a big deal because the numbers are literally 99.99% you won't die or be in hospital if you get both mrna jabs.

I don't feel comfortable saying that for the other vaccines though. mRNA really changed the game this round. and I expect it will change the flu game in a couple years.

 

[eidairaman1]

According to the CDC vaccines help keep you from getting seriously ill even if you do get Covid. If you don't get seriously ill from Covid then how can that not reduce your chances of dying from Covid?

Benefits of Getting a COVID-19 Vaccine

What you need to know about getting a COVID-19 vaccination.

www.cdc.gov

Why is the govs so hell bent on pushing people to get the vaccine? NWO/communism/barcodes?

 

[Space Lynx]

Why is the govs so hell bent on pushing people to get the vaccine? NWO/communism/barcodes?

because it cost them 5.7 trillion dollars when they reached 300k-500k deaths. if you don't want your economy to collapse, you should prob get the jab. unless you don't care about old people dying in mass, in which case, don't get the jab. them old people need to learn how to pull themselves up by they own bootstraps and never go to grocery shopping again!

for those wondering, that is sarcasm.

 

[Space Lynx]

Bless your heart

that's fact. I don't agree with either one, I think military should have made factories overnight for N95 masks and each citizen wore a N95 mask when in closed spaces, and nothing would have changed at all. problem is boys like you would probably refuse the N95 too. and government would still have a knee jerk reaction, cause thats what governments do. so best to be smarter than government and we all just wear the damn N95. but since everyone is an idiot, I guess our currency will become worthless instead once the next mutation comes. and we hit 9 trillion in debt from covid.

we would be only 700 billion in debt instead of 5.7 trillion for covid. and probably less deaths too.

not using N95 was the key mistake Fauci made. normal masks didn't do crap.

 

[Xzibit]

According to the CDC vaccines help keep you from getting seriously ill even if you do get Covid. If you don't get seriously ill from Covid then how can that not reduce your chances of dying from Covid?

Benefits of Getting a COVID-19 Vaccine

What you need to know about getting a COVID-19 vaccination.

www.cdc.gov

It does help and those are CDC ACIP data on vaccines I posted. Lady is 49yrs Female. Per 1million her age group risk of death goes down 0.002 which ever vaccine she chooses according to them.

 

[Caring1]

Why is the govs so hell bent on pushing people to get the vaccine? NWO/communism/barcodes?

Improved global 5G reception.

 

[Space Lynx]

Your ignorance precedes you. My comment to you stands.

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based on this picture then, it seems we are in agreement? now I am just confused. regular masks did nothing basically. especially considering this is an aerosol virus, so walking around a grocery store... that crap is just floating around even if people are far apart.

does anyone know if it was ever proven if the virus could be contracted through the eyes or ears? if so then even N95 is pointless...

 

[eidairaman1]

Being a respritory disease, it probably can go through mucous membranes, eyes being one of them if someone spit on you, that is why it is considered assault by bodily fluid in The US

 

[the54thvoid]

Okay - warning to all.

Keep it civil. No personal attacks.

In response to the ongoing mask discussion. I wear a cloth mask where I am asked to. I'm double-vaxxed now and don't tend to hug strangers, so I'm getting pissed at having to wear one in work (where I don't stand in someone's face). As for N95 masks? they're incredibly uncomfortable. No way would people want to wear those things all day. The PPE worn by medical staff left bruising on the faces of nurses. Saved their lives but they were in direct contact with patients being intubated. Those Covid wards were just awful. Still are. I know nurses that are stressed from working on them.

Cloth masks, as I said in the other Covid thread, don't really protect the wearer at all. But they absolutely do restrict the expiration of virus (and other bacteria) from your breath. It's why surgeons wear masks in surgery. It's hygiene, same as washing your hands.

To the point above, the mucous transmission is also why nurses in the deep end wear N95 and visors. I wear glasses - so I'm set.

As far as pushing vaccines; Covid is real. It is still killing people and is is very transmissable. It is it's ease of spread that makes it what it is. Covid itself isn't lethal to the vast majority. Which is why so many don;t 'feel' the effects of it (hint, go visit an old folks home). But the fact it can spread so easily means that tiny % of infections that lead to death becomes a far larger number. Also, as Delta shows, the longer it has to mutate, the higher chance it gets worse in one way (lethality or spread).

The UK had gone large on opening up. Our infections peaked above January's numbers. Our deaths are still nothing compared to then. The vaccines work, well, for arguments sake, they do in our country.

 

[Space Lynx]

Okay - warning to all.

Keep it civil. No personal attacks.

In response to the ongoing mask discussion. I wear a cloth mask where I am asked to. I'm double-vaxxed now and don't tend to hug strangers, so I'm getting pissed at having to wear one in work (where I don't stand in someone's face). As for N95 masks? they're incredibly uncomfortable. No way would people want to wear those things all day. The PPE worn by medical staff left bruising on the faces of nurses. Saved their lives but they were in direct contact with patients being intubated. Those Covid wards were just awful. Still are. I know nurses that are stressed from working on them.

Cloth masks, as I said in the other Covid thread, don't really protect the wearer at all. But they absolutely do restrict the expiration of virus (and other bacteria) from your breath. It's why surgeons wear masks in surgery. It's hygiene, same as washing your hands.

To the point above, the mucous transmission is also why nurses in the deep end wear N95 and visors. I wear glasses - so I'm set.

As far as pushing vaccines; Covid is real. It is still killing people and is is very transmissable. It is it's ease of spread that makes it what it is. Covid itself isn't lethal to the vast majority. Which is why so many don;t 'feel' the effects of it (hint, go visit an old folks home). But the fact it can spread so easily means that tiny % of infections that lead to death becomes a far larger number. Also, as Delta shows, the longer it has to mutate, the higher chance it gets worse in one way (lethality or spread).

The UK had gone large on opening up. Our infections peaked above January's numbers. Our deaths are still nothing compared to then. The vaccines work, well, for arguments sake, they do in our country.

yeah I am really thankful I am working remote right now.

I have some full goggles that look like lab biologists wear, I had them for when I had eye surgery a long long time ago. They look dorky as can be... but that combined with N95 mask at grocery store = I am golden.

I am also tempted to put in some wireless earbuds and jam out while at grocery stores from now. might as well, its not like you ever talk to anyone... plus closing up one more hole entrance can't be a bad idea with an aerosol disease. lol cause you never know.

grocery store is literally only time i am exposed anymore. so i figure its worth it to look a bit nutty. LOL speaking of which I just bought a cheap inflatable kayak to go kayaking at this local pond near me (yes they legally allow kayaks) and its never busy, literally never... and its such a beautiful nature area.

so yeah. exploring more nature things. might as well do it now while covid is still rampaging. i never was interested in concerts or busy things like that anyway, so I'm really not missing out on much.

 

[Xzibit]

As far as pushing vaccines; Covid is real. It is still killing people and is is very transmissable. It is it's ease of spread that makes it what it is. Covid itself isn't lethal to the vast majority. Which is why so many don;t 'feel' the effects of it (hint, go visit an old folks home). But the fact it can spread so easily means that tiny % of infections that lead to death becomes a far larger number. Also, as Delta shows, the longer it has to mutate, the higher chance it gets worse in one way (lethality or spread).

They had some Cases Prevented numbers as well. Too lazy right now so just the low and high for each vaccine type

Janssen
6,600 Male 18-29yr (0.66%) - 36,600 Male 65yr+ (3.66%)

mRNA
9,600 Male 18-29yr (0.96%) - 52,700 Male 65yr+ (5.27%)
*Per 1million

And they still don't know how much is needed

Exact correlation between antibody level and protection from COVID-19 remains unclear

 

[R-T-B]

What got me was Death is 0.0003-0.24 preventative . Its reliant on your current Immune System status and there isn't much one can do about it.

You do know the vaccine uses your immune system, right?

Why is the govs so hell bent on pushing people to get the vaccine? NWO/communism/barcodes?

No. Just no. You basically also just confessed to having covid and refusing to wear a mask. That is how this spreads. No offense, but that's why we need you and people who come in contact with people like you to get a vaccine: so we can all go back to normal. It's of course your right to refuse but you are effectively becoming a roadblock when you peddle misinformation.

So in the meantime, please don't peddle conspiracy theories in a science thread. So you got COVID-likely and were fine. How many people did you possibly kill running around without a mask? That's my immediate thought.

The government is hellbent on getting people the vaccine because people are more useful (and taxable if you want a conspiracy angle) alive then dead.

Okay - warning to all.

Keep it civil. No personal attacks.

To be abundantly clear, this is not a personal attack on his character. It's honest concern and an explanation as to why vaccines are needed.

 

[Space Lynx]

They had some Cases Prevented numbers as well. Too lazy right now so just the low and high for each vaccine type

Janssen
6,600 Male 18-29yr (0.66%) - 36,600 Male 65yr+ (3.66%)

mRNA
9,600 Male 18-29yr (0.96%) - 52,700 Male 65yr+ (5.27%)
*Per 1million

And they still don't know how much is needed

the t-cells are more important than the antibodies i think too... i might be remembering wrong, but I recall reading something showing the t-cells are staying long term, so even if you do get covid again you 98% most likely will be ok again. i don't recall reading many if any cases of previous covid + recovery + infection causing hospital or death.

even if wrong on that though... 1 jab of pfizer plus that recover = almost 0 hospital/death. so I do feel safer with one jab. I know that much.

You do know the vaccine uses your immune system, right?

indeed, and I mean no immune system means you were scared or should have been of almost everything even before covid. the flu could and prob does decimate people with no immune system. if i had no immune system i'd prob go live in a cabin in the woods. lol

 

[Xzibit]

You do know the vaccine uses your immune system, right?

Yes. I was feeling like Superman with the added protection but now i'm feeling like a bull fighter holding a tissue paper

 

[R-T-B]

especially considering this is an aerosol virus

It's not really aeresol like you are thinking of it. It binds to water droplets. Thus even standard masks were pretty effective if properly maintained, because of the minimum size of a water droplet, and the fact that most porous materials soak up water.

The flu is transmitted a similar way. Anyone notice anything about the last flu season?

 

[R-T-B]

Yes. I was feeling like Superman with the added protection but now i'm feeling like a bull fighter holding a tissue paper

https://www.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/mxf6r7
I apologize in advance.

Moving on, you have cancer or a compromised immune system or something?

I mean I have heart issues but my immune system is rather strong, thus I am not worried. My father? Cancer twice. I worry about him.

 

[the54thvoid]

Vaccines work. Look at the UK stats. Don't cherry pick. Look at our Gov site. The graphs are clear. We opened up and our rates went through the roof. The hospitalisations climbed far slower than pre-vaccine surges. The ICU cases were slower still. Deaths have remained in the double figures (in a population of 66 million) despite the record case levels. Previously it was in the hundreds, breaking four figures at one point. And that was in lockdown.

We're being practically reckless but putting our confidence in the vaccines.

 

[Space Lynx]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/mxf6r7
I apologize in advance.

Moving on, you have cancer or a compromised immune system or something?

I mean I have heart issues but my immune system is rather strong, thus I am not worried. My father? Cancer twice. I worry about him.

that video alone makes me want to get the second jab. lmao. I had no idea Jack Black made something like this. glorious beyond belief. dude is forever a legend.

 

[Xzibit]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Unexpected/comments/mxf6r7
I apologize in advance.

Moving on, you have cancer or a compromised immune system or something?

I mean I have heart issues but my immune system is rather strong, thus I am not worried. My father? Cancer twice. I worry about him.

All I have to say to that video is "As far as i'm concerned that's Americas ass"

No. Health wise I'm okay but after seeing Jack maybe i'm having second thoughts about my routines

Vaccines work. Look at the UK stats. Don't cherry pick. Look at our Gov site. The graphs are clear. We opened up and our rates went through the roof. The hospitalisations climbed far slower than pre-vaccine surges. The ICU cases were slower still. Deaths have remained in the double figures (in a population of 66 million) despite the record case levels. Previously it was in the hundreds, breaking four figures at one point. And that was in lockdown.

We're being practically reckless but putting our confidence in the vaccines.

Not sure why but I thought of this

The psychological effects of social isolation can affect your immune system. The culprits are loneliness and stress.

Research shows that our anti-viral response is suppressed when we feel lonely. An analysis of 148 different studies involving more than 300,000 people found that people who were more socially connected were 50 percent less likely to die over a given period. One experiment even found that people with many social ties are less susceptible to the common cold.

Stress has similarly harmful effects on immune function, because the hormones involved in a stress response — cortisol, which stimulates the production of sugar, and epinephrine and norepinephrine, which increase heart rate and elevate blood pressure — interfere with the function of immune cells.

It might play a role in the susceptibility to COVID among all people and contribute to an increase of cases

 

[dragontamer5788]

If the lady at the beginning takes the vaccine she improves her chances of not dying by 0.002 according to the benefit and risk prevention data.

Do you deny the chances of hospitals filling up? Do you deny the chances of triage? The prioritization of care? The fact that when hospitals fill up, you push people out of hospitals and those people die?

Texas' new coronavirus surge is leaving critically sick patients stranded in rural areas, hospitals say

Rural hospitals say they’re in a bind as larger facilities in places like Lubbock, Amarillo and El Paso fill with coronavirus patients and often cannot accept gravely ill patients who need more advanced care than small hospitals can offer.

www.texastribune.org

The pandemic is is about us running out of hospitals. Seeing these hospitalization numbers skyrocket, seeing our nurses and doctors worked to the point of exhaustion, seeing our fellow Americans suffering. That's what has already happened and vaccination will absolutely prevent that. #1 effect of vaccination is the prevention of hospitalization. The #2 effect is the prevention of tranmission. #3 effect is prevention of death. Do you deny either of these facts?

You're cherrypicking on the smallest stat and trying to make it all about that. COVID19's primary is about the damage it does to our hospital system as everything fills up and doctors/nurses become overworked.

Do you deny the freezer trucks that we sent to hospitals? Do you deny the 1.5 years of life expectancy lost last year due to COVID19 alone?

Refrigerated trucks requested in Texas and Arizona as morgues fill up due to coronavirus deaths

"The hospital system as a whole, as we said, is under severe stress," said San Antonio Mayor Ron Nirenberg.

www.cbsnews.com

US life expectancy drops 18 months due to COVID-19

www.cidrap.umn.edu

The top causes of death are "Heart Disease" and "Cancer", neither of which are singular sources (there are many kinds of cancer, there are many different kinds of heart disease). The #3 cause of death was COVID19 last year. I dare say: COVID19 is the largest, singular source of death.

There are many different kinds of heart disease. There are many different kinds of cancer. But there's really only one COVID19. So even when we're talking about overall deaths, COVID19 had more deaths than "unintentional injuries", which includes freaking car accidents. Its an absolutely huge source of death by any statistic.

And that's the scary part. Death is... one of the "smaller" effects of the virus. The hospitalization effect is far more dangerous to us and our countrymen. The risks of "Long COVID19", the haziness and inability to focus after getting the disease, are causing huge numbers of disabilities and direct job loss.

 

[dragontamer5788]

Mask guidance is about to change people. This Delta variant is serious business. Vaccinated people will be recommended to get masked up again.

That's... not good politically. But seems like the powers that be are whispering. US cases have more than doubled in such a short time.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Our governor isn't going to backtrack

 

[dragontamer5788]

ya most republican states won't require masks at this stage. I expect in January we will see a lot of older people dying though, as vaccines wear off and we get another surge before third shot can be recommended.

Well, we still don't know when the vaccine wears off. Current evidence points to a very long time, so I'm trying to be optimistic on that front. We'll have to keep an eye on the number of breakthrough cases though.

CDC already confirmed it masks for all K-12 schools is recommended too. Kids won't be wearing masks in schools where I live though, they didn't listen to CDC the first time.

Yeah, CDC doesn't have many powers at all. They only make recommendations. Its up to the states to enforce the guidance.

 

[the54thvoid]

Let's not get into the political nature of Covid responses. I'm well aware that 'mask averse' states are an issue but people have free will. So, it's down to the individual to make their own choice, regardless of what ticket their governor is running on.

As a general warning, keep politics out of this discussion please. This thread isn't a blame game. It's for stats, tracking, and science.