Maps, science, data & statistics tracking of COVID-19

[Xzibit]

Yeah. Because obesity doesn't spread through the population like wildfire.

One of my coworkers is morbidly obese. He's not going to spread obesity to me by breathing on me. He's not going to spread obesity to people on the train by breathing the same air as the rest of the passengers.

Yes and his susceptibility of illness and death is being generalize to all people. Which leads to distrust and hesitancy. The fine print isn't being included in the wide general information which leads to such mistrust when the general audience starts to question it due to confusion.

 

[dragontamer5788]

Yes and his susceptibility of illness and death is being generalize to all people. Which leads to distrust and hesitancy. The fine print isn't being included in the wide general information which leads to such mistrust when the general audience starts to question it due to confusion.

40+% of the US population is obese my dude.

For all practical purposes, obesity is the status quo in this country. There are more obese people than black people. In fact, there are more Obese women in the USA than there are overweight women, normal weight women, or underweight women.

 

[Xzibit]

40+% of the US population is obese my dude.

For all practical purposes, obesity is the status quo in this country. There are more obese people than black people.

I'm aware.

About 78% of people who have been hospitalized, needed a ventilator or died from Covid-19 have been overweight or obese, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said in a new study Monday.

 

[dragontamer5788]

I'm aware.

And are you fine still yelling 'Comorbidities" in a crowded theater, knowing full well that most people don't really know what that word means? And then using that word to sow distrust in these statistics?

That's what my problem is. There's no conspiracy here, but people want to find one to "prove" that these statistics are unreliable. Its really easy to understand why so many people who die of COVID19 have a "comorbidity", because more people in the USA have a chronic disease than not. (That is: obesity, diabetes, or hypertension).

And secondly: its not very surprising to anyone that these conditions also are "unhealthy" and lead to a higher chance of death (especially when you come across a disease that wrecks your ability to breath).

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And to be clear, I know that you're not the one who originated this "comorbidity" talking point. I'm talking about the "generic you", because so many people I know are "but cormobidities!?!?!?" as if its actually a legitimate talking point.

 

[HTC]

Here in Portugal they are giving ONE DOSE to those that had COVID 6+ months ago, instead of the two doses.

 

[Xzibit]

We might get a look at the data tomorrow

The research was conducted by people outside the C.D.C., the scientists said, and the agency is working quickly to analyze and publish the results. The agency expects to publish the research on Friday, one official said.

Some of the research may be related in part to an outbreak in Provincetown, Mass., where Fourth of July festivities have led to 882 cases as of Thursday. Nearly three-quarters of those people were fully vaccinated.

 

[dragontamer5788]

We might get a look at the data tomorrow

NYT is suggesting that Delta is a rare COVID19 variant that actually spreads within the nose (largely without much issue to the individual). Other variants didn't seem to do this.

Since the vaccines are in our muscles / blood, that's where our defenses are focused on. As such, Delta flourishes in the nose (spreading while we breath), but immediately getting eradicated as it tries to go from our nose to our lungs (where our blood is trained to defend against it).

Which could very well explain this "Vaccinated individuals spread the disease, but don't get seriously sick" thing going on.

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NYT is still using a lot of weasel words though. They're not super-confident about these theories / hypothesis. Probably best to just wait for the promised research tomorrow (or later)

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WashPo is more clear about where these rumors are coming from: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/07/29/cdc-mask-guidance/

The document is an internal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention slide presentation, shared within the CDC and obtained by The Washington Post.

TL;DR: the CDC came across some new, frightening information / studies / research with regards to Delta. However, the CDC is not ready to publicly release the information, and is still processing the information internally. Seems like the newspapers are trying to one-up each other and get the scoop early. This leads to mistakes and distrust in the media, as the "rumors" that come out right now are likely untrue and/or mischaracterized.

We should wait for the information to be officially published, and then wait a bit longer for the experts in our circles to read and understand it. This media frenzy about rumors and/or information always leads to misunderstandings. Big news is coming, but exactly what will be a mystery until the news is actually released. Rummaging through internal powerpoints designed for internal collaboration is probably not helpful.

 

[ShiBDiB]

We should wait for the information to be officially published, and then wait a bit longer for the experts in our circles to read and understand it. This media frenzy about rumors and/or information always leads to misunderstandings.

The news only exists nowadays to sell ad space, and they do that with controversy and hyperbole. All the networks do it.

 

[Space Lynx]

I'm aware.

Both my grandma and uncle died from Covid in May 2020, they were both very obese.

Here in Portugal they are giving ONE DOSE to those that had COVID 6+ months ago, instead of the two doses.

yep, they following suit of germany and france. the NFL does this now too. the science shows its working.

I'm glad I have at least one shot + previously recovered... I do feel safer with the one shot though honestly. Especially since Covid kicked my ass the first time around.

 

[R-T-B]

Those that have been exposed to and beaten it on their own shoudn't need the vaccine because the purpose of which the vaccine is for has already been accomplished

Naturally immunity is not near as comprehensive as the avaiable vaccines, particularly in regard to variants and how long immunity lasts.

There are reports of those that's had the vaccine being infected with Delta as well, if that's really the case the vaccine is of no real benefit against it.

Untrue as those infected with it have far lower occurance of symtom expression.

 

[Space Lynx]

Naturally immunity is not near as comprehensive as the avaiable vaccines, particularly in regard to variants and how long immunity lasts.

I really think you should be more careful with your wording, its the generalizations that push people away. For example, I would have worded it, "Natural immunity is only comprehensive when you add in at least one shot of the vaccine with it"

I feel like a lot of the rhetoric lately, even from Biden is doing this, like forcing all Federal Employees to get both shots, completely disregarding the science that some of them only need one shot, if they have proof of previous infection and recovery. I really dislike it when someone disregards science and forces it anyway...

 

[R-T-B]

That's drawing a hard line about it and implying you MUST have the shot to have any immunity or if you don't take it, you don't.

It's more like saying the shot is your best bet, which is true.

I really think you should be more careful with your wording, its the generalizations that push people away.

I was using vaccines plural as in to cover all the available brands.

I really dislike it when someone disregards science and forces it anyway...

There is evidence mounting that even a third shot may help boost immunity. I feel I too would side with "better safe than sorry," but it is indeed personal choice.

 

[Xzibit]

There is evidence mounting that even a third shot may help boost immunity. I feel I too would side with "better safe than sorry," but it is indeed personal choice.

Yes but that's being discussed in immunocompromised people. Those who have trouble producing enough of a immune response after full vaccine. For general public is being discussed due to drop off response from vaccine after 6months.

 

[Space Lynx]

I wonder if three years from now we will still be in this forum, talking about how annoying it is to get covid every year and 3 shots every year from all the mutations. lol.

Future is great. I mean it seems pretty clear cut to me, Covid is here to stay permanently. Just hops around like no ones business, I even read today over half of the deer in the state of Michigan had covid at some point, their blood showed anitbodies.

Honestly if I could afford it, I would buy a camper near a lake and just semi-retire working part time remote right now. But I can't, so I have to deal with other humans sadly.

 

[R-T-B]

Yes but that's being discussed in immunocompromised people. Those who have trouble producing enough of a immune response after full vaccine. For general public is being discussed due to drop off response from vaccine after 6months.

I was simply saying I can understand the cautious approach until the science is certain.

 

[Xzibit]

While we're on the subject

 Immunocompromised people comprise ~2.7% of U.S. adults
- 44% of hospitalized breakthrough cases are immunocompromised people in US study

 

[Bones]

1: Naturally immunity is not near as comprehensive as the avaiable vaccines, particularly in regard to variants and how long immunity lasts.


2: Untrue as those infected with it have far lower occurance of symtom expression.

1: Obviously you didn't read the links I gave that says otherwise from reputable research that's been done.

2: I believe that's a variable but at the same time it's still not proof and the recent thing about a certain group of politicians from a certain state that came down with it AFTER they had taken the shots tells me otherwise.
If it can happen to them, it can happen to anybody.

3: It's more like saying the shot is your best bet, which is true.

3: Back to my previous point this comment was directed at:
It's about it being stated as a 50/50 absolute, which I do have a problem with - Because that's actually lying to a point if not outright lying.

I'll say it again - I want it told from ALL angles because there are more than just the two sides of it we keep hearing about.

I'm not arguing if a shot does or does not give you the best best, I'm quite sure by now depending on which strain you refer to it can be either way at this point.

Also remember there were some things stated as being scientific fact a year or even just 6 months ago, which have now been disproved, either completely or at least in part.
The research I linked to in my previous post;
That in itself does say alot BUT at the same time even that can become less than truth in time which I'd actually expect but also remember that cuts both ways, not just in favor of one or the other.

 

[64K]

I'm still thinking a 3rd shot will be recommended eventually:

Pfizer data suggest third dose of Covid-19 vaccine 'strongly' boosts protection against Delta variant | CNN

A third dose of the Pfizer/BioNTech Covid-19 vaccine can "strongly" boost protection against the Delta variant -- beyond the protection afforded by the standard two doses, new data released by Pfizer on Wednesday suggests.

www.cnn.com

I think an annual booster is a strong possibility as well. The vaccine wanes after a period of time.
Still, we are learning as we go. What scientists find out 6 months from now may overturn what is being said right now.

 

[Tatty_Two]

1: Obviously you didn't read the links I gave that says otherwise from reputable research that's been done.

2: I believe that's a variable but at the same time it's still not proof and the recent thing about a certain group of politicians from a certain state that came down with it AFTER they had taken the shots tells me otherwise.
If it can happen to them, it can happen to anybody.

But here is the thing, did they get hospitalised or die? Even if they did, the efficacy is not 100% so is this really a surprise to anyone? I too am sceptical about some of the messaging and how at times I feel we have been force fed selected information throughout the pandemic but what I can see currently in the UK in relation to vaccines is fairly simple and clear, taking current infection rates, then cross referencing them to the same/similar infection rates in both the 1st and 2nd waves (pre vaccine) and I see that there were around 8 times the hospitalisations and 15 times the deaths pre vaccinations, the vast majority of current hospitalisations and deaths are no jab or single jab people, of the folk that have had both jabs with the last being at least 2 weeks before infection which sits at around 10% (as of a week ago) it would indicate to me at least that efficacy expectations are being met.

I stress that the above is with just about 70% of our adult population double jabbed so there is likely to be many countries out there with differing situations/evidence.

 

[Bones]

But here is the thing, did they get hospitalised or die? Even if they did, the efficacy is not 100% so is this really a surprise to anyone? I too am sceptical about some of the messaging and how at times I feel we have been force fed selected information throughout the pandemic but what I can see currently in the UK in relation to vaccines is fairly simple and clear, taking current infection rates, then cross referencing them to the same/similar infection rates in both the 1st and 2nd waves (pre vaccine) and I see that there were around 8 times the hospitalisations and 15 times the deaths pre vaccinations, the vast majority of current hospitalisations and deaths are no jab or single jab people, of the folk that have had both jabs with the last being at least 2 weeks before infection which sits at around 10% (as of a week ago) it would indicate to me at least that efficacy expectations are being met.

I stress that the above is with just about 70% of our adult population double jabbed so there is likely to be many countries out there with differing situations/evidence.

You make a good point, it's true (I believe) none died from it, as far as being admitted to a hospital I believe at least one was - I'll have to check that.

I will say if ANY progress towards improvement has been made that's a good thing, something we need to be seeing from all the efforts to combat it.

 

[R-T-B]

1: Obviously you didn't read the links I gave that says otherwise from reputable research that's been done.

I won't deny I missed that but that IS what the CDC has been saying so you'll forgive me for being skeptical. Still if your links are trulu reputable I will try and review them. Stand by.

I'll say it again - I want it told from ALL angles because there are more than just the two sides of it we keep hearing about.

I look at it somewhat differently: follow the science, because it has no angles.

 

[Space Lynx]

Shock finding in Covid vaccine study of more than 1 million people

A new study claims the Pfizer Covid vaccine has a similar blood clotting risk rate to the AstraZeneca jab. Find out what the experts are saying.

au.news.yahoo.com

blood clots just as common in pfizer as astra zeneca from this study. 1 million participants. who knows though.

still glad I got my jab, but I know people who say things like why risk any side effects including bells palsy etc when I am healthy and most likely will just get the sniffles. technically speaking their argument isn't far off, 98% of people just get sniffles. that being said you never know. I am in my early 30's, water only, i don't eat the best but i do ok, and i take a good vitamin regimen/zinc/vitamin c and vitamin D for a few years now. and covid kicked my ass in november. so yeah, you never know really. I don't think anything should be forced, if people want to play the numbers game that's their choice. even if all USA were to get vaccinated 100%, it wouldn't matter 1-2 years from now, planes never stop flying, entire world won't be able to get 100% and never will be able to. Pandora's Box has been opened, there is no closing it now.

I am thankful as crap I work remote.

 

[Vayra86]

I happen to know a lot of those people.

Then you have missionary work to do

 

[dragontamer5788]

Then you have missionary work to do

I couldn't convince my Mom that Obama wasn't a Muslim. You don't live here. Its utterly hopeless to fight against the torrent of misinformation.

 

[the54thvoid]

Shock finding in Covid vaccine study of more than 1 million people

A new study claims the Pfizer Covid vaccine has a similar blood clotting risk rate to the AstraZeneca jab. Find out what the experts are saying.

au.news.yahoo.com

blood clots just as common in pfizer as astra zeneca from this study. 1 million participants. who knows though.

still glad I got my jab, but I know people who say things like why risk any side effects including bells palsy etc when I am healthy and most likely will just get the sniffles. technically speaking their argument isn't far off, 98% of people just get sniffles. that being said you never know. I am in my early 30's, water only, i don't eat the best but i do ok, and i take a good vitamin regimen/zinc/vitamin c and vitamin D for a few years now. and covid kicked my ass in november. so yeah, you never know really. I don't think anything should be forced, if people want to play the numbers game that's their choice. even if all USA were to get vaccinated 100%, it wouldn't matter 1-2 years from now, planes never stop flying, entire world won't be able to get 100% and never will be able to. Pandora's Box has been opened, there is no closing it now.

I am thankful as crap I work remote.

Point to note, the study has yet to be peer-reviewed which means a lot. The review process highlights possible flaws in the study and/or design. The comment at the end is interesting (unfortiuntaely not sourced) as it speaks about treatbility of the thrombosis concerned. It also suggests the paper isn't studying the same condition that was notcied with the AZ vaccine. It still notes the increase in the thrombosis event it measured to be far lower than the incidence in Covid patients (1.3 versus 8 times risk).

Edit - I LQ'd the above posts. Please, keep it to the science.