OFFICIAL Cyberpunk 2077 Game Discussion

[Cheese_On_tsaot]

Dear god, Skyrim was hilarious and frustrating at the same time. I've had so many quests get stuck and scripted events not working I stopped playing for a period of time. Cyberpunk on the other hand was quite doable, no major issues in my play through. I had some crashes but some were my own stupid fault. I managed to complete it without major headaches. The tricky thing is that my play through isn't representative of someone else's, enough people were having issues. I DID expect issues from Skyrim since I've played Oblivion and Morrowind so I knew what I was getting into. Cyberpunk on the other hand was new, expectations were through the roof and perhaps not entirely realistic, we all know how massive open worlds are in complexity

I've asked five other colleagues about their experience with Cyberpunk and they all experienced about the same that I did. Minor issues, quality of life annoyances, one annoying quest bug, performance not being great and that was about it. For me and my colleagues it wasn't that much worse than some of the other massive open world games like the GTA series, The Elder Scrolls yaddayadda.

Anyway, I might do another run of Cyberpunk since I enjoyed most of it just with a different character and skill set. I noticed that I could now even run the damn game at 4k with decent settings, a nice bonus Now do I play as a dude or a woman

My friend has a Ferrari, that means I am a millionare too.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Please stay on track with the GAME discussion. Thanks @Anoniem for steering it back!

 

[Athlonite]

It boggles the mind how they went from Witcher 3 to this mess, but I am glad they have tried to fix it more... but why so long? is it THAT broken?

Yes and no
there were a lot of small bugs and glitches along with performance problems that did affect game play at the start but they were pretty quickly snuffed out with the storm of patches CDPR put out
but after saying that the did kinda ruin the game by removing alot of things we were expecting to see which they are still to put back into the game

 

[Cheese_On_tsaot]

Yes and no
there were a lot of small bugs and glitches along with performance problems that did affect game play at the start but they were pretty quickly snuffed out with the storm of patches CDPR put out
but after saying that the did kinda ruin the game by removing alot of things we were expecting to see which they are still to put back into the game.

I do hope for the sake of people who enjoy the game, that they put effort into bringing that stuff back in. I can understand people get different things out of video games and I approve of such individuality.
In my mind though I see Cyberpunk as a game I could not deal with, but that is ok, we are not all the same.

I also failed to enjoy The Witcher 3, however I witnessed how much better put together it was vs this hence my question.

 

[Athlonite]

yeah even witcher 3 had it's issues when it first came out but they patched it up and now it's a bloody good game compared to what this is

 

[Vayra86]

In the videos? Have you played the game? Videos and youtubers exaggerate the hell out of things.
I did play Cyberpunk at launch, effectively all the content there was/is and the bugs were not really that widespread. I may be lucky but the same was true for many other players.
Where it was broken was on XB1/PS4, the rest were mostly fine.

GTA and Elders Scrolls have been hilariously bugridden at launch as well but for some reason they get a free pass. Especially GTA where same type of bugs that are the end of the world in some other game are considered just funny.

Best free game I ever played tbh
Worst 60(70?) dollar hype train ever though. There could have been so much more, and given CDPR, should have been. What was there, I have to say the real polish lasted until the first big story act, after that, it went downhill fast. The whole progression path was scrambled in weird ways, inciting some open world that really wasn't a world, but just scenery to go from A to B. And then the polish started coming off, quite rapidly, and you start noticing the empty streets, the lackluster interactivity, etc etc etc, well old story. The only moment in the game where the brilliance returns in story, is the ending, its choices and how they are played out. Not the boss fight... the interactive cutscene.

It has its locations where you can sort of feel like you did in TW3, strolling casually through Novigrad and just enjoying it for what it is. But they are scarce and the rest feels like filler. They bit off more than they could chew. The ideas are all there, but they're not amounting to anything. Even the side quests are all dead ends. You do them, you think there's more to it. But there's not.

Given the patch progress so far, they need a really fat content update to get this game to the open world experience it was portrayed to be.

And let's not even begin about the whole RPG progression path, the skill trees... even on LSD you couldn't make that up. Crafting is possibly even worse. Its like they had these mandatory things to do but nobody felt like thinking about it proper. What we got? A dozen copies of the same set of playstyles (Melee, Stealth, Guns, Bigger Guns, and Hacking) spread across a bunch of items and skill trees that also double as the stuff your enemies do. Balance? Nah, ain't got time for that.

TL DR Cyberpunk didn't fail because of its bugs, but because of how the concept was executed. It was overpromised and underdelivered. Let's face it: We weathered every bug storm so far, and if the game is good, we really don't care at all unless it CTDs all the time, especially with open world titles.

 

[AusWolf]

You are in a biased mind set, the reason is because you enjoy the game so you overlook things, this is the same as when we are in a relationship and you love someone, you make room for them and learn some patience.

Objectively though, Cyberpunk is far worse, Skyrim was a huge game and Youtubers were around back then, what's different?
Your mind.

It was widespread enough for CDPR to admit fault.. so clearly it was an issue and widespread enough.

When you love someone, you do so because they possess some quality that 1. you look up to, 2. makes your life better. This quality is infinitely more valuable than where they put their shoes after work, or whether or not they fold down the toilet seat. If you enjoy a game, it is because it's an enjoyable game for you. If it's not, of course you'll start nit-picking its minor flaws. A biased mindset is the natural way of things. There's no such things as an objectively good or bad game. For example, The Witcher 3 is generally regarded as an objectively good game (and one of my favourites), though a friend of mine still stopped playing it after the tutorial mission, saying that the huge open world (the bread and butter of the game) made him feel lost and bored. Youtubers love to nit-pick on minor flaws and blow things out of proportions, that's how they get their views. Real life experiences and the media have never been further apart than lately, but that's turning into another story.

Anyway, I think we should stop picking on how buggy the game was or wasn't at launch, and just appreciate the effort CDPR is putting into making it better. As for me, when they finally release a content patch, I'll think about replaying it (only think because I've got lots of games waiting on Steam that I've yet to try).

 

[Cheese_On_tsaot]

When you love someone, you do so because they possess some quality that 1. you look up to, 2. makes your life better. This quality is infinitely more valuable than where they put their shoes after work, or whether or not they fold down the toilet seat. If you enjoy a game, it is because it's an enjoyable game for you. If it's not, of course you'll start nit-picking its minor flaws. A biased mindset is the natural way of things. There's no such things as an objectively good or bad game. For example, The Witcher 3 is generally regarded as an objectively good game (and one of my favourites), though a friend of mine still stopped playing it after the tutorial mission, saying that the huge open world made him feel lost and bored. Youtubers love to nit-pick on minor flaws and blow things out of proportions, that's how they get their views. Real life experiences and the media have never been further apart than lately, but that's turning into another story.

Anyway, I think we should stop picking on how buggy the game was or wasn't at launch, and just appreciate the effort CDPR is putting into making it better. As for me, when they finally release a content patch, I'll think about replaying it (only think because I've got lots of games waiting on Steam that I've yet to try).

At launch?

This is the updated version.... Done yesterday.

Don't conflate Youtube and video games with USA & UK's political issues.

 

[AusWolf]

At launch?

This is the updated version.... Done yesterday.

Don't conflate Youtube and video games with USA & UK's political issues.

That's nit-picking again. That is: pointing out minor design flaws that are totally unrelated to the overall gameplay experience. Also, CP77 is not GTA.

 

[Athlonite]

Yeah I gotta admit the A.I is just downright dumb in CP2077 it's nothing near what they CDPR promised it would be

 

[Cheese_On_tsaot]

That's nit-picking again. That is: pointing out minor design flaws that are totally unrelated to the overall gameplay experience. Also, CP77 is not GTA.

CP2077 is open world, GTA SA is open world, both the overall gameplay, yes it does effect it.

Hardly minor when you see your shadow in game has 30 foot long arms in some scenarios and you swore the spaghetti monster was not real.

Physics make zero sense with NPC interactions, also lack of detail you would expect like simple tire popping? (I say simple, I am not a coder, oversight... but 2004 had popping tires).

Still end up in the middle of a vehicle with our body entering the vehicle in CBP2077.
Shoot a weapon and NPC's just vanish.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I am likely to be removed from this thread because people are strange, they report.

While that is true, no one will thread ban you for sharing your personal perspective.

Yeah I gotta admit the A.I is just downright dumb in CP2077 it's nothing near what they CDPR promised it would be

Compared to what?

 

[AusWolf]

CP2077 is open world, GTA SA is open world, both the overall gameplay, yes it does effect it.

CP77 is open world. The Witcher 3 is open world. The Witcher 3 has magic and a crossbow in it, CP77 doesn't, therefore it's a **** game. Erm, no. A game should be judged on its own merits. If you fail not to compare it to GTA, then it was never meant for you in the first place, and you're better off playing GTA instead.

Hardly minor when you see your shadow in game has 30 foot long arms in some scenarios and you swore the spaghetti monster was not real.

Why would you look for your own shadow in the bottom of the ocean? Why would you bother to dive to the bottom of the ocean in the first place? There's nothing there.

It reminds me of a gap in the invisible border in Oblivion, where you could "clip" into a totally flat, undeveloped area where Morrowind is. That doesn't make the game bad.

Physics make zero sense with NPC interactions, also lack of detail you would expect like simple tire popping? (I say simple, I am not a coder, oversight... but 2004 had popping tires).

You can't pop tires. OK, so what?

Still end up in the middle of a vehicle with our body entering the vehicle in CBP2077.
Shoot a weapon and NPC's just vanish.

Never happened to me (I finished nearly all quests and have almost 100 hours of gameplay).

All in all, I'm sick and tired of people trying to convince me and others what a **** game CP77 is just because there's a buggy element in the far corner of the world where you absolutely don't ever need to go, or just because certain gameplay aspects don't behave the same way they do in GTA XY. Magically, the game has a 76% rating on Steam, which is not as bad as youtubers liked to portray it at launch. If you don't like it, fine. You don't have to. But that doesn't mean that the game is objectively bad and no one in their right mind should like it.

Enough off topic from me, back to the game discussion...

 

[Vya Domus]

The problem isn't that some really specific and insignificant feature is missing compared to some old ass game or even the bugs. Things take a turn for the worse when you look at the big picture, cyberpunk is just too pedestrian and run of the mill, there is nothing in it that feels new/fresh/innovative or whatever you wanna call it. It's just an amalgamation of every mainstream take on an open world game from the last decade meant to appeal to as big of an audience as possible.

If it wasn't for CDPR's popularity or the negative press at launch this game would have surely fallen into obscurity by now never to be heard from again. It's not a bad game, it's just too plain and forgettable.

 

[Cheese_On_tsaot]

CP77 is open world. The Witcher 3 is open world. The Witcher 3 has magic and a crossbow in it, CP77 doesn't, therefore it's a **** game. Erm, no. A game should be judged on its own merits. If you fail not to compare it to GTA, then it was never meant for you in the first place, and you're better off playing GTA instead.


Why would you look for your own shadow in the bottom of the ocean? Why would you bother to dive to the bottom of the ocean in the first place? There's nothing there.

It reminds me of a gap in the invisible border in Oblivion, where you could "clip" into a totally flat, undeveloped area where Morrowind is. That doesn't make the game bad.


You can't pop tires. OK, so what?


Never happened to me (I finished nearly all quests and have almost 100 hours of gameplay).

All in all, I'm sick and tired of people trying to convince me and others what a **** game CP77 is just because there's a buggy element in the far corner of the world where you absolutely don't ever need to go, or just because certain gameplay aspects don't behave the same way they do in GTA XY. Magically, the game has a 76% rating on Steam, which is not as bad as youtubers liked to portray it at launch. If you don't like it, fine. You don't have to. But that doesn't mean that the game is objectively bad and no one in their right mind should like it.

Enough off topic from me, back to the game discussion...

You are not off topic, you are discussing the game.

You make valid points from your experiences, but trusting someone else's experiences over objectivity is not what a prospective buyer would or should do unless they don't use their brain at all.

This is called objective thinking and is why some of us won't ever buy it, you have to respect both sides. I won't ever stop looking at the issues until patches have come and fixed them, othewise it is still an issue and the game is not cheap either.

Vya Domus above has made a great point above too that is somewhat hard to express is just how meh the game is overall.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I won't ever stop looking at the issues until patches have come and fixed them

What issues are we talking about? As far as I have seen, there haven't been any recently.


I think people need to stop listening to the negativity and just try the game out. GOG has a 30 day return policy and if a player can't get a feel for a game within that 30 days, they're doing something wrong.

Folks, if you want to play the game, buy it. If you think it sucks(personal perspective) or you have problems running it(unlikely), then get a refund. Otherwise stop the whining about past issues which were never that severe to begin with, OK? It's not productive and it's not helpful.

 

[Cheese_On_tsaot]

What issues are we talking about? As far as I have seen, there haven't been any recently.

I think people need to stop listening to the negativity and just try the game out. GOG has a 30 return policy and if a player can't get a feel for a game within that 30 days, they're doing something wrong.

Folks, if you want to play the game, buy it. If you think it sucks(personal perspective) or you have problems running it(unlikely), then get a refund. Otherwise stop the whining about past issues which were never that severe to begin with, OK? It's not productive and it's not helpful.

I will take your advice, thank you.

 

[lexluthermiester]

BTW, CP2077 is on sale right now 33% off! $41USD is a great price!

Cyberpunk 2077

Cyberpunk 2077 is an open-world, action-adventure RPG set in the megalopol

www.gog.com

I will take your advice, thank you.

Those last two lines were not aimed at you specifically, hope it didn't seem that way.

 

[Space Lynx]

BTW, CP2077 is on sale right now 33% off! $41USD is a great price!

Cyberpunk 2077

Cyberpunk 2077 is an open-world, action-adventure RPG set in the megalopol

www.gog.com

Those last two lines were not aimed at you specifically, hope it didn't seem that way.

hmm, I'm in no rush. I'll get it when it hits $20. should hit that price prob April 2022 easter sale.

 

[robot zombie]

You are not off topic, you are discussing the game.

You make valid points from your experiences, but trusting someone else's experiences over objectivity is not what a prospective buyer would or should do unless they don't use their brain at all.

This is called objective thinking and is why some of us won't ever buy it, you have to respect both sides. I won't ever stop looking at the issues until patches have come and fixed them, othewise it is still an issue and the game is not cheap either.

Going to have to disagree. You should consider objective aspects to the degree of verifying that the game is actually working to a metric that clears for you. But beyond that, everything about the objective aspect of the game enters the realm of subjective interpretations and all bets are off as to what people will experience in a game that will make quite glaring objective flaws simply not matter to them. Or conversely, what will make them have zero love for an 'objectively' good game.

Man... even choosing which flaws you will and will not accept is not objective. The flaws may objectively be there... but there is no perfect game and we are making judgement calls based on what we see and experience, along with past experiences. You can argue that some games are closer to perfect than others, and that more will be likely to play them because of that. I can accept that. But to make it only that, as though only how many flaws a game has should inform your purchases... I think that's a bit reductive.

Cruelly, the only way to know if a game is good for you is to play it. This is art and entertainment. You have to trust your OWN experiences. Your own intuition will help you figure out what you will like. Sometimes you get let down and with a little humility you let it go and at least try to make the most of it. And then maybe you find it doesn't matter. These are things you can't know if you don't play. There are just so many factors here. I agree, other people's opinions aren't the best metric. But maybe there just isn't a great metric for discerning whether or not you will enjoy an experience you've never had? You can infer based on memory and whatever info is available to you. All sorts of factors will weigh in. And you still won't know. Doesn't mean disregard real issues with a game. To me it just seems that using objectivity in this way is equally as lacking as simply going by opinion, as either could essentially override the other at any point. I don't think there is an easy way to know. It can be hard to frame objective flaws within one's experience. Some that sound terrible end up being nothing to you. Others may be game stoppers for you and yet still there are others that press on fine. It's just not something you can easily separate out. It would be nice if it could be simpler.

Example related to thread. If I saw everything that was being said at launch before buying, I never would've bought the game. Truth be told, I had suspicions and was curious. And I saw the many flaws. And I enjoyed it for a few hundred hours. And I am still very critical of it, maybe more because I have played it that much. I don't regret it for a second. It was worth the cost to see and experience it. None of this stuff is as black and white as you seem to want it to be.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Cruelly, the only way to know if a game is good for you is to play it. This is art and entertainment. You have to trust your OWN experiences.

Exactly this, which is why I made the suggestions above.

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

While that is true, no one will thread ban you for sharing your personal perspective.

are you sure about that

hmm, I'm in no rush. I'll get it when it hits $20. should hit that price prob April 2022 easter sale.

In light of everything that has happened, i personally would not buy the game until they do a "enhanced edition" " complete edition" or " game of the year edition" with all updates and expansions bundled into a single package, CDPR have been doing this to all their games since witcher 1

 

[robot zombie]

Exactly this, which is why I made the suggestions above.

Yeah, saw where you were coming from there. It's great that there are still ways to try. Demoing games can be tricky and that is really too bad, I think it's a great way to sell it on some real merits instead of just talk. And people will have less to clang swords about if they can get the money back.

Personally, I am axiomatically opposed to judging my games on a scale of bad to good. At least not primarily. And especially not going into them. I find I can never place enough confidence in that framing. It produces some aberrant outcomes for me. I've learned to look at it more in terms of personal interest level. Because if I'm really interested in playing a game, I find myself in a mindset where the quality could be anything and I simply am not concerned. I want to see what it's about. Easy goal to meet. If all I want is to see what it is about, I can't fail, right?

No... but that is how I saw this game. I thought it could be great, mediocre, or terrible. I was leaning mediocre. Just by sheer hype factor, there was no way they could ever deliver all of that. But I wanted to see THE Cyberpunk game. We don't get a lot of those in full scale titles and a big-budget studio is making one. I wanted it to be really good. Of course it disappointed me on many fronts. But it was still good. I made sure to see it all, because what was good, was like, astoundingly good. But at the end of the day, it's the complete package of experiences that came with getting into it that made picking it up worth it for me... something a little beyond all of that. It has been very interesting and I'm really satisfied with that. I want to see what else they will do. But that's me. I went into it for my own reasons and had my own fun. And sometimes I really believe that's just the way I should be doing it. I get so much more out of everything I play that way. I think that whether I realize it or not, personal interest is the deciding factor there - what I have to put into it. From there, I'm just reaching for reasons to convey to others.

But that is to say I wouldn't hold it against anybody for waiting it out or simply skipping it. You do have to ask yourselves how interested you are in playing it. I can't really speak on that. This is just the mindset I've found my way into.

 

[Space Lynx]

In light of everything that has happened, i personally would not buy the game until they do a "enhanced edition" " complete edition" or " game of the year edition" with all updates and expansions bundled into a single package, CDPR have been doing this to all their games since witcher 1

It's not a terrible idea. It may come to that anyway, as I have tried many times to get my hands on a PS5 and have been unable to do so. I am not running a game that demanding on my gtx 1070 laptop.

 

[Hachi_Roku256563]

At launch?

This is the updated version.... Done yesterday.

Don't conflate Youtube and video games with USA & UK's political issues.

THIS is like all those clickbate videos saying GTA 4 is a better game then gta Vbecause of all the tiny nitpicky things which mean the games better
is GTA 4 a better games because the helicopoters kick up more water NO
this ist he same thing