I hope the new PS5 cooler still works well... awaiting more testing

[Space Lynx]

Some benchmarks to see the differences in performance would be nice

I want more than just benchmarks though, I want a side by side playthrough of the same game on same tv's, same settings across the board, and see if we see any hitching or stuttering during like big fight scenes when a lot of characters are on screen all of the sudden, etc. if both systems hitch for 0.5 seconds at the same time during scenes like that, or if just the one running hotter does it... then we will have our answer.

just numbers benchmarks is not good enough imo, it needs to be a purely visual testing setup.

 

[Flanker]

I want more than just benchmarks though, I want a side by side playthrough of the same game on same tv's, same settings across the board, and see if we see any hitching or stuttering during like big fight scenes when a lot of characters are on screen all of the sudden, etc. if both systems hitch for 0.5 seconds at the same time during scenes like that, or if just the one running hotter does it... then we will have our answer.

just numbers benchmarks is not good enough imo, it needs to be a purely visual testing setup.

That would be even nicer

 

[Blue4130]

... its the bait and switch moral of the story here too... really crappy of Sony.

Is the cooling solution predominantly marketed when talking about the ps5? I don't think this falls under bait and switch, at least I don't see it as bait and switch. As long as it maintains performance... Wait and see before all of this outrage.

 

[qubit]

Yep, Sony won't be getting a penny from me. PC for life!!!

I don’t blame you for boycotting Sony, but the thing is, PC component manufacturers pull stunts like this too, so you still have to be wary. See this video for details.

 

[Space Lynx]

Is the cooling solution predominantly marketed when talking about the ps5? I don't think this falls under bait and switch, at least I don't see it as bait and switch. As long as it maintains performance... Wait and see before all of this outrage.

considering the jet engine the PS4 Pro fan sounded like, yes it was talked about a lot actually. and temps were very important to the customers when they first marketed the PS5.

 

[Fourstaff]

Not uncommon for Sony to streamline costs, PS3 cut PS2 backward compatibility. Cooling optimisation is one of the smaller things to complain about.

 

[Space Lynx]

I don’t blame you for boycotting Sony, but the thing is, PC component manufacturers pull stunts like this too, so you still have to be wary. See this video for details.

I am smart enough to get around the PC industry pulling these stunts, since a PC is ultimately - my build, not someone elses build like a console is. A console is out of my control, a PC is not, long live PC.

Not uncommon for Sony to streamline costs, PS3 cut PS2 backward compatibility. Cooling optimisation is one of the smaller things to complain about.

That's fine, but they will no longer getting my money.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I'm suddenly reminded of a phrase about mountains and mole hills... I'm also reminded of a boy and the crying of "wolf"...

Folks, Sony is NOT pulling a sneaky with this. They discovered that the original cooling design was a bit overkill and redesigned the cooler as a result to save some money. This is not only not "sneaky" or "evil", but is in fact good business practice. This is a non-issue. Full stop.

People let's stop with the making of mountains from moles hills, hmm?

PS3 cut PS2 backward compatibility.

To be fair they just switched from direct hardware compatibility(which was expensive) to a software emulation mode(almost free). PS2/PS1 compatibility is still there, it just runs differently.

 

[Space Lynx]

I'm suddenly reminded of a phrase about mountains and mole hills... I'm also reminded of a boy and the crying of "wolf"...

Folks, Sony is NOT pulling a sneaky with this. They discovered that the original cooling design was a bit overkill and redesigned the cooler as a result to save some money. This is not only not "sneaky" or "evil", but is in fact good business practice. This is a non-issue. Full stop.

People let's stop with the making of mountains from moles hills, hmm?

let's wait for the side by side reviews first to see if any hitches or stuttering occur. hopefully steve at gamersnexus will do some testing or hardware unboxed.

 

[eidairaman1]

I'm suddenly reminded of a phrase about mountains and mole hills... I'm also reminded of a boy and the crying of "wolf"...

Folks, Sony is NOT pulling a sneaky with this. They discovered that the original cooling design was a bit overkill and redesigned the cooler as a result to save some money. This is not only not "sneaky" or "evil", but is in fact good business practice. This is a non-issue. Full stop.

People let's stop with the making of mountains from moles hills, hmm?


To be fair they just switched from direct hardware compatibility(which was expensive) to a software emulation mode(almost free). PS2/PS1 compatibility is still there, it just runs differently.

Instead of lynx29 bitching about it he should just vote with his wallet.

I personally like having hardware to play old discs myself, just my preference.

 

[Jetster]

I remember the AMD HD 5870 was powerful. Then the AMD HD6870 came out. What a disappointment

 

[eidairaman1]

I truly feel this should be in the Lounge/general nonsense area

I remember the AMD HD 5870 was powerful. Then the AMD HD6870 came out. What a disappointment

I only dealt with a Sapphire 6770 which was a revision of the 5770. I guess the 6870 was a revision of the 5870.

With the way things are Consoles are cheaper than PCs for gaming now...

 

[lexluthermiester]

let's wait for the side by side reviews first to see if any hitches or stuttering occur. hopefully steve at gamersnexus will do some testing or hardware unboxed.

Or you can trust that Sony has done their due diligence with the engineering to make sure they don't sabotage their own product.. There is little if not nothing to be concerned about here. Seriously, look at those two heatsinks and let the sheer size of them both sink in. Do you honestly believe there's going to be a cooling problem with that new heatsink on what is effectively a 65w AMD APU? Come on folks, a little common sense here...

EDIT;
@lynx29
I'm not attacking you personally, I hope it doesn't come off that way. Only trying to help you see the big picture and gain a bit of clarity.

 

[eidairaman1]

Or you can trust that Sony has done their due diligence with the engineering to make sure they don't sabotage their own product.. There is little if not nothing to be concerned about here. Seriously, look at those two heatsinks and let the sheer size of them both sink in. Do you honestly believe there's going to be a cooling problem with that new heatsink on what is effectively a 65w AMD APU? Come on folks, a little common sense here...

Its uncommon nowadays bro

 

[Space Lynx]

Or you can trust that Sony has done their due diligence with the engineering to make sure they don't sabotage their own product.. There is little if not nothing to be concerned about here. Seriously, look at those two heatsinks and let the sheer size of them both sink in. Do you honestly believe there's going to be a cooling problem with that new heatsink on what is effectively a 65w AMD APU? Come on folks, a little common sense here...

Steve at GamersNexus already showed the ram or VRM's were hitting 90+ celsius on the original PS5 cooling design. Longevity is important to me in consoles, plus as the video I linked in post 1 showed... 5 celsius may not sound like much, but if it effects the frequency to much it could have negative impact on gaming experience, and no because Sony would have had to test every PS5 game from start to finish to see if there are certain areas of certain games that end up hitching due to a lower boost clock (if there is even a lower boost close remains to be seen... so we simply need more research and reviews at this point)

Also, the Gamers Nexuys thing, can't remember if it was ram or VRM's, but how does the 5 celsius on the APU increase effect those other temps? That's another set of research done we need... cause if we knocking on 100 celsius now on the VRM's... longevity...

also, just to clarfiy a bit: I was actually waiting on a PS5 revision that would IMPROVE cooling not add 5 celsius more... based on steve from gamersnexus testing of the PS5 claiming it ran a little hot for comfort. so that's why I made this thread... it's not that 5 celsius is a massive deal (testing pending and more reviews etc) its mostly that I legit was hoping a future revision would improve the cooling, this is a step backwards imo, which ironically is the title of the article I linked, but it is true imo.

 

[the54thvoid]

Please stop with the personal attacks. Straight reply bans moving forward. I'd LQ/delete but it's not my sub-forum.

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

The first hardware revision of the PS5 looks like a step backwards

The first hardware revision of the PS5 looks like a step backwards

YouTuber Austin Evans was able to get one of the new CFI-11-series PlayStation units imported from Japan to compare it with a launch model (watch below), and...

www.techspot.com

Source ^
the new updated PS5 is below... this is just sad and pathetic how much cooling they took away... looks like I am sticking with PC for life after all. Take care Sony, I am sorry I even tried to get a PS5, and am thankful I was never able to get one. Especially since Sony boosts frequency unlike Xbox Series X which has a static frequency... so yeah... RIP smooth frame rates.

Source for picture: https://www.techspot.com/news/91003-first-hardware-revision-ps5-looks-like-step-backwards.html

This was not the first time sony did this, the PS4 Pro got a new model with reduced fan speed for lower noice but increased tempretures, that was over 2 years ago and no complaints for new PS4 PRO so far.

There's a new PS4 Pro and it's much quieter than the original | TechCrunch

There's a new Sony PS4 Pro and it's much quieter than the original. Right now, it's only available in a Red Dead Redemption bundle, but eventually, it

techcrunch.com

This new PS5 model comes with the new custom 6nm chip right ? if so it should be slightly efficiant therefor a reduced heatsink woudnt hurt, in the end Sony have great engineers , they wouldn't make a decision like this unless it was calculated and tested for safety

I know the 360 started out with fancy heatpipe coolers and later turned to extruded aluminum ones. I had the latter, not like I cared though since it worked perfectly fine.

Yeah, even the Xbox one first launched with a copper heat pipe heat sink, but since the One S revision, its just a slap of aluminium with a fan over it like an intel stock heatsink, that was since 2016 and no complaints so far, as you said, its very common practices, as components get efficient and cheaper overtime, manufactures do revision to cut costs and increase profits

 

[Space Lynx]

This was not the first time sony did this, the PS4 Pro got a new model with reduced fan speed for lower noice but increased tempretures, that was over 2 years ago and no complaints for new PS4 PRO so far.

There's a new PS4 Pro and it's much quieter than the original | TechCrunch

There's a new Sony PS4 Pro and it's much quieter than the original. Right now, it's only available in a Red Dead Redemption bundle, but eventually, it

techcrunch.com

This new PS5 model comes with the new custom 6nm chip right ? if so it should be slightly efficiant therefor a reduced heatsink woudnt hurt, in the end Sony have great engineers , they wouldn't make a decision like this unless it was calculated and tested for safety


Yeah, even the Xbox one first launched with a copper heat pipe heat sink, but since the One S revision, its just a slap of aluminium with a fan over it like an intel stock heatsink, that was since 2016 and no complaints so far, as you said, its very common practices, as components get efficient and cheaper overtime, manufactures do revision to cut costs and increase profits

this is good to know. I did not they had done this so recently. Still, I hope GamersNexus does another review of this model, cause I am NOT comfortable with my console hitting 90-95 Celsius on the VRM's and that was with the first cooling solution. (Yes I know VRM's can withstand a lot... but longevity wise can they?)

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

this is good to know. I did not they had done this so recently. Still, I hope GamersNexus does another review of this model, cause I am NOT comfortable with my console hitting 90-95 Celsius on the VRM's and that was with the first cooling solution. (Yes I know VRM's can withstand a lot... but longevity wise can they?)

Believe me launch model PS4 was always on those temps and i see ALOT of people still chugging along with their launch PS4 today without issues, like i said, Sony engineers did their research, the last thing sony wants is defective console on the market

 

[Space Lynx]

Believe me launch model PS4 was always on those temps and i see ALOT of people still chugging along with their launch PS4 today without issues, like i said, Sony engineers did their research, the last thing sony wants is defective console on the market

This is a fair point then. Hopefully it all works out. I do know Sony and other console makers have admitted it's time to get rid the of the "BIOS Battery" or at least make it easier to replace so that consoles aren't useless in 10-20 years when those batteries on the console mobo die... so they do make some mistakes mind you, but yeah... I think your argumentation is fair here.

 

[Chomiq]

the PS1 and PS2 had static frequency cpu/gpu's to my knowledge... also it took many many years for the slim/updated models to release not less than a year... context people...

They also had a history of gimped revisions which removed hardware features. PCBs and overall design was also revised to reduce cost. So far we have no indiciation of reduced performance other than Austin screaming about reduced weight, reduced fan noise and temperature increased by 4C. What stopped him from running side by side performance comparison?

 

[lexluthermiester]

other than Austin screaming

Austin?

 

[Chomiq]

Austin?

That guy, the punch in the face fella that's even worse than Linus.

 

[lexluthermiester]

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That guy, the punch in the face fella that's even worse than Linus.

Right, ok.

To be fair, if he and his crew did better fact-checking and roped in the "spazz" a little bit he'd be much more fun to watch.

What stopped him from running side by side performance comparison?

For curiosity's sake alone a side by side would be great.

 

[Chomiq]

Right, ok.

To be fair, if he and his crew did better fact-checking and roped in the "spazz" a little bit he'd be much more fun to watch.


For curiosity's sake alone a side by side would be great.

You'd imagine that's what people want right? He probably left it for a second video so they can score more $$$ from clicks.

Anyway, folks from Digital Foundry are already planning a video on this. That will most definitely cover the performance aspect. GN will cover thermals and we're set.

Update from DF:

At worst it will run hotter but the boost frequencies will not change. They are not governed by the cooler, but by an algorithm derived from a single 'model' SoC.