Windows 11 General Discussion

theFOoL · Sep 17, 2021

Andy Shiekh said:
Anyone tried with TPM 1.2?

Have y'all tried the reg bypass? LINK

In the setup just hit Shift F10, regedit, import the reg file, that's it

ThrashZone · Sep 17, 2021

FireFox said:
I dont know if this is 100% true

After initially claiming that Windows 11 won't work on a PC without a TPM 2.0 (or Trusted Platform Module), Microsoft has now confirmed to Tom's Guide that the OS actually requires only the older, much more common TPM 1.2 module — but also that if you install Windows 11 on a machine without a TPM 2.0 chip, you'll be taking a risk.

Link: https://www.tomsguide.com/news/does-windows-11-require-tpm-20-we-have-good-news-and-bad-news

Hi,
My x299 apex has a bios update that probably adds the option to enable tmp or PTT on asus boards
I haven't installed the newer bios yet though.
ATM no bios option exists.

windwhirl · Sep 17, 2021

P4-630 said:
Announcing Windows 11 Insider Preview Build 22000.194

UPDATE 9/23: We are making Windows 11 Insider Preview Build 22000.194 available as an optional update for any Windows Insider on an eligible PC in the Release Preview Channel. We have also made the ISOs available for Build 22000.194

blogs.windows.com

Windows 11 virtual machines also require TPM 2.0 in beta.

Yes, only Dev channel will be allowed by default to run without TPM.

Rock N Roll Rebel · Sep 17, 2021

I upgraded my VMware player to VMware pro now I can run build 22458

FireFox · Sep 18, 2021

Yesterday updated to 22000.194.

So far working smoothly, last night CW crashed ( Display driver nvlddmkm stopped responding and has successfully recovered ) never happened before.
I can't say it's due to the new update as this error is already well known on the Nvidia forum for several years now, i fixed it, ( at least so i think ) changing the TdrDelay value from 8 to 10, since them no crashes.

Space Lynx · Sep 18, 2021

FireFox said:
Yesterday updated to 22000.194.

So far working smoothly, last night CW crashed ( Display driver nvlddmkm stopped responding and has successfully recovered ) never happened before.
I can't say it's due to the new update as this error is already well known on the Nvidia forum for several years now, i fixed it, ( at least so i think ) changing the TdrDelay value from 8 to 10, since them no crashes.

your average user won't know or realize they need to do something like this. so is this a common issue? i have a had a gtx 1070 laptop for years and never seen that before. you might want to report it through their bug system anyway.

Shou Miko · Sep 18, 2021

FireFox said:
Yesterday updated to 22000.194.

So far working smoothly, last night CW crashed ( Display driver nvlddmkm stopped responding and has successfully recovered ) never happened before.
I can't say it's due to the new update as this error is already well known on the Nvidia forum for several years now, i fixed it, ( at least so i think ) changing the TdrDelay value from 8 to 10, since them no crashes.

I am on this version haven't had a crash with this error really only ACPI 2 I can't seem to get rid off so I properly have to reinstall but I don't want to :laugh:

R-T-B · Sep 19, 2021

Splinterdog said:
CPUs like Ryzen 1600, which was launched only four years ago, are deemed incompatible, simply beggars belief.

It's pretty much down to how easy the software TPM is to defeat. It has to be, given the arbitrary line they draw. And yes, there are firmwares for Ryzen 1 that can defeat the PSP. They are targeting only chips where that has not happened yet.

Mussels said:
Zen 1 doesnt have it in firmware

Actually, it does. But as noted, it has security issues on early bioses.

Chomiq said:
To those using the Windows 11 builds out there - has MS done anything to improve the HDR support?

AutoHDR is nice.

Andy Shiekh said:
Anyone tried with TPM 1.2?

Pretty sure it wouldn't work given how stringent they are being.

FireFox said:
I dont know if this is 100% true

After initially claiming that Windows 11 won't work on a PC without a TPM 2.0 (or Trusted Platform Module), Microsoft has now confirmed to Tom's Guide that the OS actually requires only the older, much more common TPM 1.2 module — but also that if you install Windows 11 on a machine without a TPM 2.0 chip, you'll be taking a risk.

Link: https://www.tomsguide.com/news/does-windows-11-require-tpm-20-we-have-good-news-and-bad-news

Oh huh... interesting.

lexluthermiester · Sep 19, 2021

lynx29 said:
your average user won't know or realize they need to do something like this. so is this a common issue? i have a had a gtx 1070 laptop for years and never seen that before. you might want to report it through their bug system anyway.

It is a very specific bug and most people will never encounter it.

FireFox said:
Yesterday updated to 22000.194.

I'll be testing this soon. Skipped over 184 as it was seemingly mostly bug fixes. 194 has had a few changes that need testing where the "requirements" are concerned.

EDIT1;
I finally have so time to install, doing so. So far no problems. Bypass works no issues, but installation is still in progress.

EDIT2;
Install finished. No issues. Drivers took fine, my standard customizations applied without problem.

johnspack · Sep 19, 2021

Upgraded to .194 in my vm when it first came out. No issues. Also no tpm on my system. Interesting.

Space Lynx · Sep 19, 2021

johnspack said:
Upgraded to .194 in my vm when it first came out. No issues. Also no tpm on my system. Interesting.

tpm can be built into some CPU's not mobo's, so maybe you have one of those CPU's?

johnspack · Sep 19, 2021

Maybe it won't block higher end xeons. A lot of companies might get peed?

lexluthermiester · Sep 19, 2021

The install I did was a fresh from ISO. Problems were not expected, but given the changes microsoft stated on the blog page, testing was called for.

Shou Miko · Sep 19, 2021

johnspack said:
Maybe it won't block higher end xeons. A lot of companies might get peed?

Microsoft doesn't care about your old 2600USD CPU for all they care stay where you are or go linux that's how it is.

That's not saying you won't have a great experince but if Microsoft want it's users to have the best experience they have already made the guide lines on what you need.

lexluthermiester said:
The install I did was a fresh from ISO. Problems were not expected, but given the changes microsoft stated on the blog page, testing was called for.

The fresh installation is different, I tried on my Dell Latitude E7470 laptop to upgrade the Windows 11 Dev version I had to the newest beta using the iso that was a no go because of the Intel Core i5-6300U but fresh the installation on the image only checked for TPM2.0 not the CPU which I was like what why only check for one thing during a fresh install and then another when trying to run a Windows upgrade :kookoo:

lexluthermiester · Sep 19, 2021

puma99dk| said:
Microsoft doesn't care about your old 2600USD CPU for all they care stay where you are or go linux that's how it is.

And that mentality from microsoft(or anyone else) can eat poopoo. We, the purchasers of the OS, decide how it runs and what it runs on.

puma99dk| said:
The fresh installation is different, I tried on my Dell Latitude E7470 laptop to upgrade the Windows 11 Dev version I had to the newest beta using the iso that was a no go because of the Intel Core i5-6300U but fresh the installation on the image only checked for TPM2.0 not the CPU which I was like what why only check for one thing during a fresh install and then another when trying to run a Windows upgrade

True. I always fresh install beta software, especially an OS. Updates can be iffy at best, data destructive at worst.

FireFox · Sep 19, 2021

lexluthermiester said:
We, the purchasers of the OS

C´mon, we know very well that people don't buy the OS, Pull the other one :laugh:

ThrashZone · Sep 19, 2021

Hi,
Yeah you purchase the terms of use until you accept those you have nothing on a clean install.

Only exception might be if you change keys but you already accepted terms on the original install.

Shou Miko · Sep 19, 2021

FireFox said:
C´mon, we know very well that people don't buy the OS, Pull the other one

I actually purchase like 10 Windows XP licenses when I was in back in the day directly from Microsoft because I got a student discount which was like 90% or something.

I have also purchased my Windows 8 Pro actually it was listed as a Windows 8.1 Upgrade but I got the full retail/oem pack so I don't complain.

FireFox · Sep 19, 2021

puma99dk| said:
I actually purchase like 10 Windows XP licenses when I was in back in the day directly from Microsoft because I got a student discount which was like 90% or something.

I have also purchased my Windows 8 Pro actually it was listed as a Windows 8.1 Upgrade but I got the full retail/oem pack so I don't complain.

ThrashZone said:
Hi,
Yeah you purchase the terms of use until you accept those you have nothing on a clean install.

Only exception might be if you change keys but you already accepted terms on the original install.

Only time i have purchased something related to Microsoft was 2x key, €10.

ThrashZone · Sep 19, 2021

FireFox said:
Only time i have purchased something related to Microsoft was 2x key, €10.

Hi,
I've lost track of how many keys I've purchased but yeah 35.us is the highest in the last few years retail too.
I went through x299 mother boards like tic tac's

I've got an extra win-10 pro key if I ever clean install 11

freeagent · Sep 19, 2021

I'm running the newest from the beta channel, I installed it last night.. it runs nice. I wonder when they will fix L3 reporting in Aida64? Its the only thing that really bothers me

I also downloaded the iso and used Rufus to drop it on USB.. but complaining I will have to turn safe boot off or something something..?

ThrashZone · Sep 19, 2021

Hi,
Disabling secure boot on install is normal you can enable it after install
Nothing about 11 is really normal though lol

theFOoL · Sep 19, 2021

ThrashZone said:
Disabling secure boot on install is normal you can enable it after install

And... that's what Program RuFus says after a creation of GPT of WiN10/11 LoL

freeagent · Sep 19, 2021

theFOoL said:
And... that's what Program RuFus says after a creation of GPT of WiN10/11 LoL

I sit 8 feet from my tv and I need glasses so I don't always read everything if it doesn't look important, especially if its a small thin text

ThrashZone · Sep 19, 2021

theFOoL said:
And... that's what Program RuFus says after a creation of GPT of WiN10/11 LoL

Hi,
11 will make that more interesting because secure boot is a requirement for install among a few others.

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Here For Good!

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