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Cooling Wars: Episode IX - The Rise of Air v Water

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I mean, unless you have a lot of money, I don't see why anyone would get anything other than a Vetroo V5 CPU cooler for $25 shipped. It literally beats a Noctua D15 in temps if you set a slightly aggressive fan profile... but even then its not all that bad sound wise. also it comes with extra bracket if you have a spare fan to do push/pull with. most people have an extra fan these days.

jayz2cents has it cooling a 5900x at like under 63 celsius... and that's stock, no fan curve... for $25 its literally insane how good it is. add in two fans in push/pull which is basically free to do, and add a slightly aggressive fan curve, and you are matching 360mm AIO $180 water coolers... again if you have a lot of money and want your build to look a certain way, by all means go all out, but I'm glad I spent the $25 on the V5. I might even talk my dad into upgrading his Ryzen gen 1 APU to a 5xxx series APU and replace stock cooler with the V5. would be a nice bump in performance for him, even though he really doesn't need it.

watch at 15 mins in: its actually a lower temp than an AIO water cooler... $25...

 
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I mean, unless you have a lot of money, I don't see why anyone would get anything other than a Vetroo V5 CPU cooler for $25 shipped. It literally beats a Noctua D15 in temps if you set a slightly aggressive fan profile... but even then its not all that bad sound wise. also it comes with extra bracket if you have a spare fan to do push/pull with. most people have an extra fan these days.

jayz2cents has it cooling a 5900x at like under 63 celsius... and that's stock, no fan curve... for $25 its literally insane how good it is. add in two fans in push/pull which is basically free to do, and add a slightly aggressive fan curve, and you are matching 360mm AIO $180 water coolers... again if you have a lot of money and want your build to look a certain way, by all means go all out, but I'm glad I spent the $25 on the V5. I might even talk my dad into upgrading his Ryzen gen 1 APU to a 5xxx series APU and replace stock cooler with the V5. would be a nice bump in performance for him, even though he really doesn't need it.

watch at 15 mins in: its actually a lower temp than an AIO water cooler... $25...

Looks like a nice enough standard tower cooler, though given the methodology of that 'review' (a single comparison, no data logging, no real workload control, all very off-the-cuff) I'd need to see something a bit more thorough to believe those numbers. It's a bog-standard 5-heatpipe tower cooler after all - it'll perform roughly the same as similar designs, as it's not bringing anything new to the table. That doesn't make it bad by any means, and that price is definitely nice. But it doesn't make sense for it to outperform an AIO unless there was a bad mount for the AIO, it was running at a too-low pump speed, or something similar. Still, for a budget cooler it looks great!

That being said, my sentiment for a while has been that if I didn't get into water cooling a few years back mostly by chance - I came across a $30 EK waterblock for my Fury X, and wanted to get rid of its whiny AIO; things snowballed from there - I would likely be going all air today. I couldn't do that in the Meshlicious, but after the expense and hassle of water cooling, air cooling does look mighty attractive, and there are good SFF cases that can still fit good air coolers, if at a slightly bigger footprint. I would definitely be deshrouding any air-cooled GPU though, as those tiny, cheap fans inevitably suck. I'm very happy with my current setup, and I'm particularly satisfied with getting QDCs in there so that it's actually serviceable, and the combination of size, performance and noise is unbeatable. But with the right case I could get decently close with air for a fraction of the price. Water is still the best, but it's a lot of hassle and very expensive even if you go with "budget" parts.
 

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Looks like a nice enough standard tower cooler, though given the methodology of that 'review' (a single comparison, no data logging, no real workload control, all very off-the-cuff) I'd need to see something a bit more thorough to believe those numbers. It's a bog-standard 5-heatpipe tower cooler after all - it'll perform roughly the same as similar designs, as it's not bringing anything new to the table. That doesn't make it bad by any means, and that price is definitely nice. But it doesn't make sense for it to outperform an AIO unless there was a bad mount for the AIO, it was running at a too-low pump speed, or something similar. Still, for a budget cooler it looks great!

That being said, my sentiment for a while has been that if I didn't get into water cooling a few years back mostly by chance - I came across a $30 EK waterblock for my Fury X, and wanted to get rid of its whiny AIO; things snowballed from there - I would likely be going all air today. I couldn't do that in the Meshlicious, but after the expense and hassle of water cooling, air cooling does look mighty attractive, and there are good SFF cases that can still fit good air coolers, if at a slightly bigger footprint. I would definitely be deshrouding any air-cooled GPU though, as those tiny, cheap fans inevitably suck. I'm very happy with my current setup, and I'm particularly satisfied with getting QDCs in there so that it's actually serviceable, and the combination of size, performance and noise is unbeatable. But with the right case I could get decently close with air for a fraction of the price. Water is still the best, but it's a lot of hassle and very expensive even if you go with "budget" parts.

I always thought I would try custom water cooling someday, but very glad I never did. Messy, maintenance. Air cooler maintenance takes about 5 mins, take the PC outside and blow air with MetroVac, or sometimes I will just take some paper towel damped, and rub off the dust on the fan blades and not even remove anything. Life is just easier that way. If you have the time and money though then yeah water cool to the moon.
 
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only if you put sludge "sorry" colours in the loop ive run clear for over 2 years without cleaning, i mean when i first started watercooling thats all we had and motocross bike rads and fishtank pumps and home made blocks yes im that old :) today its easy everythings one click away just add money.
 

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only if you put sludge "sorry" colours in the loop ive run clear for over 2 years without cleaning, i mean when i first started watercooling thats all we had and motocross bike rads and fishtank pumps and home made blocks yes im that old :) today its easy everythings one click away just add money.

you just run distilled water with a pure silver little coil in it? and temps are still good?
 
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only if you put sludge "sorry" colours in the loop ive run clear for over 2 years without cleaning, i mean when i first started watercooling thats all we had and motocross bike rads and fishtank pumps and home made blocks yes im that old :) today its easy everythings one click away just add money.
Yeah, I've never had issues with growth or corrosion. I only use clear premix coolant. Sure, distilled water and additives are cheaper, but ... 100 SEK every 1-2 years isn't a noticeable expense. Like you, I've run a loop entirely untouched for 2+ years, and for more than 4 without cleaning beyond tap water + vinegar flushing 1-2 times.

The annoying thing about water loop maintenance is when you need to upgrade or swap components and thus need to disassemble something. Now that I have QDCs I no longer dread this, but before? Yeah, it makes any 30-minute upgrade into a 2+ hour one. QDCs still don't alleviate everything - the removed part of the cooling still likely needs draining and re-filling - but it's so much easier now.
 
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i havnt used anything but DW in my own riggs, now customers ill put what ever thay like because whats the point in trying to convince them not to, cus there rigg will be back within a year for me to clean out it keeps the pennys coming in ive one to clean out today.

Yeah, I've never had issues with growth or corrosion
i dont even use additives, if you get good DW there nothing in it to grow and lube water makes the best you can get bud.
 
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i dont even use additives, if you get good DW there nothing in it to grow and lube water makes the best you can get bud.
As long as your parts or water get any exposure to air there will be spores in there, so ... meh. I guess you can avoid it to a certain extent, and it no doubt depends on your location/climate and other factors (loop temperature etc.). I choose premix for the convenience of knowing that I don't have to worry about this whatsoever. Safely disposing of it is a bit of a hassle, but worth the effort IMO.
 
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As long as your parts or water get any exposure to air there will be spores in there
try it , make sure you dont flush with tap water because thats where the green plant life comes from, i use triple distilled 2 times filtered Dw its the same stuff you top car batterys up with but not the stuff that has anti cake/fur in it.
 
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try it , make sure you dont flush with tap water because thats where the green plant life comes from, i use triple distilled 2 times filtered Dw its the same stuff you top car batterys up with but not the stuff that has anti cake/fur in it.
If I had a car and could get something like that easily I might try, but I don't, so getting ahold of that water would be far more trouble than it's worth. The ~.5l/year of chemical waste is okay for me so far.
 
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try it , make sure you dont flush with tap water because thats where the green plant life comes from, i use triple distilled 2 times filtered Dw its the same stuff you top car batterys up with but not the stuff that has anti cake/fur in it.

I'm using de-ionised, DW is near impossible to get where i am
 
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well you could make you own all you need is a pressure cooker some copper coil pipe and something to put the copper coil in water to keep cool put water through it a few times and you would have the best distilled water you could get + you could also make a bit of moonshine great for cleaning paste off cpus :) .
 
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A well setup loop, can be as reliable as an air cooler. It can probably be left alone for at least 6mths with no need to touch it.
That's pretty nice, but pretty much any air cooler will do 13 years or more.

That's exactly what I mean. :) In my opinion, Prime95 is a rubbish program to test any modern CPU. It pumps so much power into your CPU that it will never be able to achieve its practical clock speeds. With my 11700, it pumps well above 200 W into it for no good reason. That's the only situation I lose its 4.4 GHz all-core because the motherboard's over-current protection kicks in. It is also the only situation it comes close to thermal throttling with a 240 mm AIO. How useful is that, really?
PrimeGrid is literally the same, but realistic load.
 

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It literally beats a Noctua D15 in temps if you set a slightly aggressive fan profile
That goes for many coolers. People think D15 is the biggest and baddest but the truth is there are plenty of coolers as good, or even better than D15. It’s just that you see people saying it all the time, even people who have never owned one say it, without actually knowing..
 
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That goes for many coolers. People think D15 is the biggest and baddest but the truth is there are plenty of coolers as good, or even better than D15. It’s just that you see people saying it all the time, even people who have never owned one say it, without actually knowing..
That ain't true. It's the biggest and baddest heatsink with typical Noctua fans. If you put fast fans, I doubt that there would be many alternatives.
 

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That ain't true. It's the biggest and baddest heatsink with typical Noctua fans. If you put fast fans, I doubt that there would be many alternatives.
I haven’t owned a D15 but I have owned a D14.
 
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I haven’t owned a D15 but I have owned a D14.
Hi,
Nearly identical coolers had d14 to
D14 is a little shorter but still 6 pipe only the fans on the d15 make it better than the d14.
 

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Hi,
Nearly identical coolers had d14 to
D14 is a little shorter but still 6 pipe only the fans on the d15 make it better than the d14.
That’s what I’ve heard! I did try some high speed fans on it but ended up using my ultra 120 extreme until I dipped my toes in the clc waters. Ran that sucker dry lol, or as close as I could..
 

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Messy, maintenance.
Once a year, or every 2 years, is it too much?

Air cooler maintenance takes about 5 mins, take the PC outside and blow air with MetroVac, or sometimes I will just take some paper towel damped, and rub off the dust on the fan blades and not even remove anything. Life is just easier that way.
Too easy and kinda boring:D

The annoying thing about water loop maintenance is when you need to upgrade or swap components and thus need to disassemble something.
For me that's fun, i think that is the reason why i don't use QDCs, i enjoy disassembling the loop, it is part of the hobby;)

pretty much any air cooler will do 13 years or more.
Meh
 
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For me that's fun, i think that is the reason why i don't use QDCs, i enjoy disassembling the loop, it is part of the hobby
Sounds like you've got plenty of free time and don't need the PC for anything important then :p
 
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