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I have been running 11 for months on my work pc. Nothing truly different from 10. Context menu on 11 is worse than 10.

Not sure if taskbar is better or worse..
The thing about the taskbar that irks me is that now I can't have it show all the icons.
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That little arrow at the left kinda pisses me off :laugh:

About the context menu, if you mean the File Explorer's menu, a workaround would be to use the keyboard's key for it. It will bring up the old-style menu with zero nonsense.
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To be fair though, Defender can be VERY annoying and not everyone likes or wants it.
That is fair. All I want is to see someone say it annoys them, or they don't like it. To say it's crap is simply not true unless we are talking eye of the beholder then that's back to annoying.
 
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That is fair. All I want is to see someone say it annoys them, or they don't like it. To say it's crap is simply not true unless we are talking eye of the beholder then that's back to annoying.
I can say both. Context is important. Allow me to explain. With the beta's of 11, I've given defender another go, testing for changes to it's behaviour in each iteration, but nothing has changed in the last few years. It still interferes with common activities, blocking things that don't need to be blocked, flagging files incorrectly and flat-out deleting others without so much as a notification or a "whoopsie-daisy", let alone asking permission. In my opinion and definition, that is absolute crap and unacceptable. It's a level of irritation and nonsense I am NOT willing to tolerate. Fortunately, removing(read complete deletion) defender in 11 is a tad easier than in 10.
 
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Realizing WIN 11 is not done until it’s done! But I often wonder what advertising; self promoting; revenue generation and additional privacy invading algorithms have been baked into it? Perhaps it’s the way it is, but still good to know if possible?
 
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Realizing WIN 11 is not done until it’s done! But I often wonder what advertising; self promoting; revenue generation and additional privacy invading algorithms have been baked into it? Perhaps it’s the way it is, but still good to know if possible?
Check Diagnostic Data Viewer. You'll see what's being collected, though understanding it is a completely different matter altogether
 
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I just updated my main rig to Win 11 and so far it's solid. This was the first time installing it. Everything works except the old mstsc remote desktop. I had to grab the new Remote Desktop from the MS Store. It looks like they finally fixed the new one on the store. I've had no issues with the new remote desktop app. I did change the taskbar alignment to Left.. lol
 
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I just updated my main rig to Win 11 and so far it's solid. This was the first time installing it. Everything works except the old mstsc remote desktop. I had to grab the new Remote Desktop from the MS Store. It looks like they finally fixed the new one on the store. I've had no issues with the new remote desktop app. I did change the taskbar alignment to Left.. lol
So you have TPM 2.0 with your ryzen 5 2600/B450 combo?
 
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Thanks for the link! Indeed it confirms that WIN 11 is not made for the end-user but all about MS revenue generation and more privacy invasion or collection of user-data. The reviewer did a fine job. It’s always good to see all the cards on the table. But yet I am still very uncomfortable to think where all of this will wind up and the downright controlling of people lives like us? Thanks again!
 
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