Windows 11 General Discussion

[ThaiTaffy]

Windows 11 will hobble gaming performance by default on some prebuilt PCs

Microsoft 'will be enabling VBS on most new PCs over this next year' and that can tank PC gaming performance by around 25%.

www.pcgamer.com

how does one turn off VBS in win 10 and win 11? that's what I want to know.

It should be disabled by default in Windows 10 but it you want to check. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/an...disable-virtualization-based-security-in.html

 

[Space Lynx]

It should be disabled by default in Windows 10 but it you want to check. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/an...disable-virtualization-based-security-in.html

and how do i check and turn off and on in win 11? 25% performance hit in some games with it on in win 11... that IS NOT ACCEPTABLE.

 

[R-T-B]

It should be disabled by default in Windows 10 but it you want to check. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/an...disable-virtualization-based-security-in.html

It is also disabled by default in win11 retail installs (not OEM distributed ones though)

 

[lexluthermiester]

It is also disabled by default in win11 retail installs (not OEM distributed ones though)

Are we sure about that? Why would such a feature be enabled on OEM builds?

 

[R-T-B]

Are we sure about that? Why would such a feature be enabled on OEM builds?

Requirements. Not on OEM media mind, but OEMs distributing computers are required to enable it on supported hardware.

It's somewhere on the MS site if you dig. It won't affect you if you do not buy a prebuilt.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Requirements. Not on OEM media mind, but OEMs distributing computers are required to enable it on supported hardware.

It's somewhere on the MS site if you dig. It won't affect you if you do not buy a prebuilt.

Good to know. I'll be on the look-out to disable that crap..

 

[R-T-B]

Good to know. I'll be on the look-out to disable that crap..

Me too on my gaming rig. I'll likely enable it on the office computers but they are a whole different use case (no gaming should be happening).

 

[Space Lynx]

It is also disabled by default in win11 retail installs (not OEM distributed ones though)

What about a clean install of Win 11 on just a custom built PC or laptop? there is no easy to way to check if its on or off? how the heck does one even turn it on or off in win 11?

 

[windwhirl]

there is no easy to way to check if its on or off?

Run msinfo32. You will see a line about VBS services.

There's also a mention of a Group Policy object that you can edit to adjust VBS, but the article for it only indicated Windows 10, so I'm not sure if that works with Windows 11.

Enable memory integrity - Windows Security

This article explains the steps to opt in to using memory integrity on Windows devices.

docs.microsoft.com

 

[lexluthermiester]

What about a clean install of Win 11 on just a custom built PC or laptop?

It shouldn't. But let me check.

EDIT: Just checked. On 194 Pro, VBS is not enabled by default..

 

[ThaiTaffy]

There's many mixed reports some claiming that upgrades from win 10 to 11 will have vbs disabled if the windows 10 machine started that way. But clean installs of windows 11 will have vbs on as default, then others are reporting it as disabled on clean installs.

Personally as someone who plays games far more than stores state secrets or nuclear codes I would want to check and know for certain it was disabled

 

[windwhirl]

But clean installs of windows 11 will have vbs on as default, then others are reporting it as disabled on clean installs.

I have half a guess that the state of VBS on clean installs has to do with whether you have virtualization enabled in UEFI or not. In my case, since I use virtual machines rather regularly I have enabled it. Hence why I might have VBS switched on by default even considering that I upgraded from 10 to 11.

Personally as someone who plays games far more than stores state secrets or nuclear codes I would want to check and know for certain it was disabled

Can't blame you. Though something came to my attention when I read that PC Gamer article:
"And we will continue to seek opportunities to expand VBS across more systems over time."

I think that, at some point, they will try (actually try, not this half-hearted effort) to force everyone to run Windows with VBS enabled. I don't think it will happen anytime soon (say, less than 3 to 5 years), but I do think at some point it will be just as mandatory as a CPU with NX-bit support.

 

[ThaiTaffy]

If by that point vbs is refined and not eating $250 of my $1000 gpu I might be ok with it otherwise I will have to look for alternatives.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I think that, at some point, they will try (actually try, not this half-hearted effort) to force everyone to run Windows with VBS enabled.

There will be ways to disable it regardless.

 

[R-T-B]

What about a clean install of Win 11 on just a custom built PC or laptop? there is no easy to way to check if its on or off? how the heck does one even turn it on or off in win 11?

There is (though it's off by default on custom built installs). Anyways, Settings.>Privacy And Security->Windows-Security->Device Security->Core Isolation->Memory Integrity toggle

Toggle on/off as you desire. It's called "Memory Integrity." Feel free to verify with msinfo32.

Further reading:

Core isolation - Microsoft Support

support.microsoft.com

Device protection in Windows Security - Microsoft Support

Learn how to access Windows device security settings in Windows Security to help protect your device from malicious software.

support.microsoft.com

 

[Space Lynx]

There is (though it's off by default on custom built installs). Anyways, Settings.>Privacy And Security->Windows-Security->Device Security->Core Isolation->Memory Integrity toggle

Toggle on/off as you desire. It's called "Memory Integrity." Feel free to verify with msinfo32.

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Further reading:

Core isolation - Microsoft Support

support.microsoft.com

Device protection in Windows Security - Microsoft Support

Learn how to access Windows device security settings in Windows Security to help protect your device from malicious software.

support.microsoft.com

oh yeah I remember turning this on once like two-three years ago, and I tried playing middle earth shadow of mordor or shadow of war (might have been the new tomb raider games, can't remember honestly) and it was a shitshow LOL good ol M$, I immediately turned it off and forgot about it until now.

I have half a guess that the state of VBS on clean installs has to do with whether you have virtualization enabled in UEFI or not. In my case, since I use virtual machines rather regularly I have enabled it. Hence why I might have VBS switched on by default even considering that I upgraded from 10 to 11.


Can't blame you. Though something came to my attention when I read that PC Gamer article:
"And we will continue to seek opportunities to expand VBS across more systems over time."

video game reviews are going to need to be specific if they have VBS enabled or not in their reviews with Win 11 I think. @W1zzard something to keep in mind if you ever go to Win 11

 

[ThaiTaffy]

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video game reviews are going to need to be specific if they have VBS enabled or not in their reviews with Win 11 I think. @W1zzard something to keep in mind if you ever go to Win 11

Pc gamer has already stated that's how they will be releasing benchmarks and reviews in the future.

 

[R-T-B]

I can't think of any good reason a gaming benchmark would have this on to be honest.

 

[FireFox]

I am good

 

[mtosev]

Intel... I think Skylake, but again it depends on your motherboard allowing you to switch it on.

I saw a Lenovo all in one pc with a i5 6400 cpu and it reports that TPM version 1.2 is present, I have an i7 6500U laptop and that reports having TPM version 2.0, my mom's 6Y30 laptop also reports TPM 2.0.

 

[Space Lynx]

I am good

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this is the answer I was waiting for. easy. just use windows search icon in taskbar, type in system information, click. scroll down a notch, and yep mine says not enabled too. this is the easiest method to check, thank you for sharing.

I can't think of any good reason a gaming benchmark would have this on to be honest.

I think everyone agrees on that, problem is, if it enables by default for people with virtualization stuff turned on as @windwhirl was saying, then its best of game tests make sure they don't have it on before they do their reviews. That's all I was saying.

 

[R-T-B]

But clean installs of windows 11 will have vbs on as default, then others are reporting it as disabled on clean installs.

I think everyone agrees on that, problem is, if it enables by default for people with virtualization stuff turned on as @windwhirl was saying,

Microsofts policy is clear: It should not be on by default on a clean install.

Whether that holds true through launch though? We'll see. And I agree reviewers should check.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Anyone else get this error when installing Ryzen Master? (Ryzen Master v.2.8.0.1937)
(Win11 v.22000.194)
If I uninstall it and reboot, install it again, it works, but after a reboot more, it fails again and have
to do the hole thing again...So tired of it, that I have dumped it, and going through the BIOS, for fine tuning the OC......

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Got it to work via this: Fix Ryzen Master Driver not installed properly - and now it works
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Have you checked the Windows logs in the management console for errors that might given insight to what the problem might be?
(sorry I missed this earlier)

 

[AAF Optimus]

Gentlemen, OFFICIAL Windows 11 image made available. I don't know if the information will proceed for everyone.

 

[windwhirl]

Windows 11, version 21H2 known issues and notifications

View announcements and review known issues and fixes for Windows 11, version 21H2

docs.microsoft.com

And we already have a couple bugs lol