Intel Core 12th Gen Alder Lake Preview

[Makaveli]

I agree with the general sentiment but you're not factoring in availability.

Wednesday I had put a 12700KF and an Asus Prime Z690M into my wish list on newegg, both available for preorder.

They are no longer available, leaving a 12700K and 12600K available for pre-order. There were 3 Z690 mATX motherboards that I could preorder Wed when I made the list, yesterday two, today - none.

So basically we are 1 week from launch and the only thing available to me is a 12700K and a couple of Mini-ITX motherboards that cost $290 and $400.

Betchya that is gone by Monday.

Edit:
To be fair, I figured we'd have stock for most of the first week after launch as is the pattern for Intel.
Not this time.

You don't have any stores close to you for instore pickup?

I think alot of people will run into this issue doing preorders and online shopping. The place I usually grab parts from has them all in stock.

 

[RandallFlagg]

You don't have any stores close to you for instore pickup?

I think alot of people will run into this issue doing preorders and online shopping. The place I usually grab parts from has them all in stock.

Microcenter is local to me and Best Buy are local, both showing sold out on preorders.

Doesn't matter all the mATX motherboards are gone except from places I don't trust with jacked up prices.

On a lighter note, was looking at my newegg order history, here's a little blast from the past :

 

[Deleted member 202104]

Yeah, some of us have been looking forward to new releases for a while and still get a kick out of it.

 

[Manoa]

without going into any AMD vs intel discussion, I think the ability to run AVX2 on the efficiency cores is preaty impressive if you consider how mutch space they taking
but I wonder if it wasen't a bether idea instead to give them hyperthreading...

 

[First Strike]

With the die shot we can see 4x Gracemont cores took 1 slot in the ringbus and roughly 1.5x the size of a goldencove core
If anyone believes one Gracemont is only 27% behind Golden Cove, then

The best config should be a 26 core 28 Thread CPU : 2P + 24E = 128*2+ 101*24 = 2680 %

Hey I just realized that the Gracemont IPC test was done on SPECint rather than other benchmarks. This has serious implications! The final performance will probably worse than Intel's claims.

Gracemont uses a very unorthodox 3+3 decoder design. This design can provide 2x decoding throughput for instruction streams with frequenct jump and branch interruptions. Yes, loads of unconditional jump = free performance boost for Gracemont (and recommonded by Intel).

Normally no one will compile their code to such garbage-quality binary. But SPECint is meant to be compiled for individual cases. Which means their Gracemont score is achieved by using a tailored binary that transhes Golden Cove performance.

And we can safely assume no one targetting Alder Lake will compile in such a way except MS and Intel.

 

[seronx]

Gracemont uses a very unorthodox 3+3 decoder design. This design can provide 2x decoding throughput for instruction streams with frequenct jump and branch interruptions. Yes, loads of unconditional jump = free performance boost for Gracemont (and recommonded by Intel).

Doesn't Gracemont have the load balancer? So, this is only needed for Tremont cores in Lakefield, Elkhart Lake, Jasper Lake, Jacobsville & Snow Ridge.

"As the clustering algorithm is dependent on the ability to predict taken branches within the branch predictor, very long assembly sequences that lack taken branches (long unrolled code utilizing the floating point unit, for example) can be bottlenecked due to being unable to utilize both decode clusters simultaneously. Inserting unconditional JMP instructions to the next sequential instruction pointer at intervals between 16 to 32 instructions may relieve this bottleneck if encountered. While Tremont micro-architecture did not build a dynamic mechanism to load balance the decode clusters, future generations of Intel Atom processors will include hardware to recognize and mitigate these cases without the need for explicit insertions of taken branches into the assembly code."

The Gracemont load balancer which mitigates the above is mentioned here at 2:54:

 

[mechtech]

It's the same IGP as 11th gen, VERY slow, unusable for gaming

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Thanks

so if I want to upgrade cpu and no dgpus available at a fair price (msrp) I should get an amd apu then

 

[W1zzard]

so if I want to upgrade cpu and no dgpus available at a fair price (msrp) I should get an amd apu then

no you should keep your cpu, and buy an old used gpu. the amd apu is not good enough for gaming either. look at the same review, a super old gtx 1060 is twice as fast

 

[mechtech]

no you should keep your cpu, and buy an old used gpu. the amd apu is not good enough for gaming either. look at the same review, a super old gtx 1060 is twice as fast

Can’t even find them. Only card I can get my hands on is a GT1030 lol. Quickly and cheaply so to speak.

 

[W1zzard]

Can’t even find them. Only card I can get my hands on is a GT1030 lol. Quickly and cheaply so to speak.

ebay? local classifieds?

 

[Valantar]

super old gtx 1060

Wait, is two generations back "super old" now? I know gpu generations are spaced further apart now than earlier, but that seems a bit extreme imo.

 

[W1zzard]

Wait, is two generations back "super old" now? I know gpu generations are spaced further apart now than earlier, but that seems a bit extreme imo.

July 2016. I think over five years qualifies are "super old"

 

[mechtech]

ebay? local classifieds?

Perhaps. Those usually a last hope places. I will keep on using my current system until stock and MSRP are the norm even if it takes 4 years lol