Intel Core i5-12600K

[Pumper]

Idle :
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Jay should delete all the bloatware from his AMD system the next time he's doing idle power draw tests:

And these are accurate results. My own system idles at ~48W.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Yeah, he seemed like he was being careful to be fair.

He spent the first 12:30s on that rofl.

It's not a totally apples to apples demonstration but, those idle and low load numbers tell me everything I need to know about AMD efficiency.

I probably hit 100% CPU a dozen times a day for like one second, and sit at 1-5% for 95% of my time. So basically for 12 seconds a day the max load benchmarks are relevant to me. The other 86388 seconds of a day they are irrelevant.

Even in real gaming, spikes above 20% are rare. I know because I did perfmon many times for multiple days to see what my workload was like. And my workload is actually > than normal users.

 

[Vayra86]

What? The 10400f has been around for 2 years at ~140€. What are youtalking about?

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Are you saying that a CPU will run any GPU regardless? No, at some point it will start bottlenecking, no matter when that time is. So a CPU that is , let's say 15% faster, can support a 15% faster GPU than the one that bottlenecks your 8700k.

I did have the 8700k, and yes its still a beast, but there are games out right now that it bottlenecks a high end card, unless you heavy tune it and memory oc the crap out of it.

Got examples and numbers?

Every PC has a bottleneck. You always have one. Perfect balance doesnt exist.

Its irrelevant the moment you exceed your monitor refresh rate on the GPU or when the GPU is the limiting factor. And with VRR modes it gets even more irrelevant.

Im always ready to be convinced. So please give it your best shot

The gist being of course, 'what is the value of this upgrade'. For gaming, its going to be so minimal, yet have so many drawbacks, because you're early adopting into everything you shouldn't - fresh Windows, DDR5, new arch and scheduling... the works.

The translation is wrong, obviously. It's score per WATT, higher is obviously better. It's pretty freaking obvious just looking at the numbers, do you think a 12900k at 241w is more efficient than a 12900k at 125w? Lolk

Is it that hard to just admit you made a mistake, when it is clearly obvious you did? It's a german site and lots of translations are wrong. For example in the graph it says watts per hour which is also wrong, instead it measures watts consumed. Anyways, if you are not willing to admit your mistake, you are indeed done

Well spotted! Its true, it has to be points per watt.

 

[The King]

Jay did a power draw test which should answer your question.

AMD system
Hey guys this system here has
10 X RGB FANS
Has waterblock etc
So we know this system over is using more wattage hence the high idle but we not comparing idle in this video.

Intel System
this has less connected to it.

Conclusion at end of video. AMD has very bad high idle power consumption.

I am truly lost for words.

 

[Vayra86]

AMD system
Hey guys this system here has
10 X RGB FANS
Has waterblock etc
So we know this system over is using more wattage hence the high idle but we not comparing idle in this video.

Intel System
this has less connected to it.

Conclusion at end of video. AMD has very bad high idle power consumption.

I am truly lost for words.

Youtuber Intelligence. It never ceases to amaze, nor does the flock of sheep clicking them.

There are only good reasons to read instead of watch. And write instead of be a TV personality. It defines the content and nobody escapes that reality. Reading is healthy, getting spoonfed with content breeds intellectual laziness.

 

[RandallFlagg]

Youtuber Intelligence. It never ceases to amaze, nor does the flock of sheep clicking them.

There are only good reasons to read instead of watch. And write instead of be a TV personality. It defines the content and nobody escapes that reality. Reading is healthy, getting spoonfed with content breeds intellectual laziness.

Wow, you're so smart.

Or alternately you might choose to listen to the first 12 1/2 minutes of that video.

I'm assuming you did that before passing judgement, correct?

Probably I shouldn't have posted the relevant time on the video.

 

[Vayra86]

Wow, you're so smart.

Or alternately you might choose to listen to the first 12 1/2 minutes of that video.

I'm assuming you did that before passing judgement, correct?

Probably I shouldn't have posted the relevant time on the video.

Bcause, you know, spoonfeeding some people with a shortcut to content breeds intellectual laziness.

There is nothing in it that refutes what @The King stated. Jays statements on idle draw are pretty strange, because they also don't match what's shown in the reviews on TPU.

 

[The King]

There is nothing in it that refutes what @The King stated. Jays statements on idle draw are pretty strange, because they also don't match what's shown in the reviews on TPU.

The guy is a walking contradiction. @ 3mins 50 seconds

He literally says you can't compare these two systems because the Intel system will need to have 10 fans etc to be a fair idle comparison.
Then says I will remove two sticks of RAM from the Ryzen system and now its an apples to apples as we can get.
But Jay! What about the 10 fans and the water-block loop connected to the GPU on the Ryzen 5800 system?

You just said you cant compare them and now its apples to apples by removing two sticks of ram?

If anything it proves that even with 10 fans and a water-block connected to it the Ryzen 5800X system, still used far less overall power underload in the load tests compared to the 12900K.

 

[Vayra86]

The guy is a walking contradiction. @ 3mins 50 seconds

He literally says you can't compare these two systems because the Intel system will need to have 10 fans etc to be a fair idle comparison.
Then says I will remove two sticks of RAM from the Ryzen system and now its an apples to apples as we can get.
But Jay! What about the 10 fans and the water-block loop connected to the GPU on the Ryzen 5800 system?

You just said you cant compare them and now its apples to apples by removing two sticks of ram?

If anything it proves that even with 10 fans and a water-block connected to it the Ryzen 5800X system, still used far less overall power underload in the load tests compared to the 12900K.

And the tests are not even synced Who knows what's what.

 

[Fasola]

I remember watching this PC repair challenge and Jay was having a hard time even though Linus was trying to feed him the solutions. There's a recap on GN's channel but I don't think it illustrates just how bad Jay was at troubleshooting.

 

[MarsM4N]

Jay did a power draw test which should answer your question.

I like Jay, but that's the most unscientific test I have seen in a while.

Just lazy. If he continues like that, he soon has to do reviews for Man Bra's.

 

[Why_Me]

I remember watching this PC repair challenge and Jay was having a hard time even though Linus was trying to feed him the solutions. There's a recap on GN's channel but I don't think it illustrates just how bad Jay was at troubleshooting.

Anything is better than those two clowns on Hardware Unboxed.

 

[95Viper]

Thread is about "Intel Core i5-12600K".
It is not about other testers/reviewers/etc.
Let's stay on topic.

Thank You.

 

[JustBenching]

AMD system
Hey guys this system here has
10 X RGB FANS
Has waterblock etc
So we know this system over is using more wattage hence the high idle but we not comparing idle in this video.

Intel System
this has less connected to it.

Conclusion at end of video. AMD has very bad high idle power consumption.

I am truly lost for words.

10 fans and an AIO don't need more than 2AMPS to work. It's pretty obvious by the fact that you can actually connect 4-5 fans to a single 4pin of your mobo. That 4pin usually supports up to 1 amp.

 

[tfdsaf]

Great value, essentially getting 12 cores for $300 and it beats the 5600x easily, but nothing earth shattering in terms of performance. It beats the 8 core 5800x and ends up losing to the 12 cores 5900x and power consumption in applications seems to be through the roof, especially for a supposed mid range cpu, but its still solid considering its onkly $300.

The issue is high costs of motherboards and of course you want to buy DDR5 with this, it would be stupid not to get the future looking memory, but the cost is very restrictive. I can see people with Ryzen 1000 or 2000 or Intel 6/7/8/9th generation who want to upgrade and plan on reusing their DDR4 modules jumping on board and going for the 12600k. I think its a tough sell for 10/11th gen Intel users especially since the performance between all of them is very similar and both are very recent cpu's, so if you shelved out $300 on a 10600k cpu less than 2 years ago, you wouldn't want to doll out another $300 so soon, even if performance is significantly increased. Again with cost of new motherboard and cooler you are probably looking at $550 cost just for those 3 parts.

 

[Mussels]

AMD system
Hey guys this system here has
10 X RGB FANS
Has waterblock etc
So we know this system over is using more wattage hence the high idle but we not comparing idle in this video.

Intel System
this has less connected to it.

Conclusion at end of video. AMD has very bad high idle power consumption.

I am truly lost for words.

At 2:50 he specifically even states "the AMD system has more connected, this is all about load wattages"


But how much load wattage needs to be removed from the AMD for all that crap?

10 fans and an AIO don't need more than 2AMPS to work. It's pretty obvious by the fact that you can actually connect 4-5 fans to a single 4pin of your mobo. That 4pin usually supports up to 1 amp.

Yes and no.
NF-A12x25 uses <2W (0.14A) per fan, so yes you'd be right on that with standard fans.
Corsairs LL120 ARGB fans however, are 0.30A (3.6W) - just over double that
A D5 pump uses 1.8A (~22W)

So with just the pump and 10 fans, we're already upto 60 Watts if they're at higher settings. Then theres lighting controllers, LED strips, fan controllers/hubs...

 

[Taraquin]

Good review, but I think alder lake has an unfair advantage with 6000cl36 ram vs 3600cl16-20-20 on others. I know Rocket lake is close to gear 1 lim, but Comet lake and Zen 3 should have had 3800 in my opinion. Another option would be testing Alder lake at 5200-5600cl38 as this would be comparable to 3600cl16 on the others.

 

[W1zzard]

Giving us idle power and max load power consumption in a practical sense is like a car enthusiast site doing a car review and only giving gallons/hr of fuel consumed at idle and at full throttle as a measure of efficiency. This has absolutely nothing to do with efficiency and they would be laughed out of business for giving such worthless data points.

The fact this somehow cuts the mustard for PC enthusiasts is a good indicator that a lot of what is in all of these reviews is likely just so much BS, it also says a lot about their readers.

I started a new thread, so we can focus on the topic: https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/...er-consumption-testing-in-cpu-reviews.288761/

 

[goodeedidid]

I wonder if the Apple M1 PRO will destroy this.. you should also include the Apple silicon on the benchmark scoreboards

 

[wheresmycar]

Glad to have followed the thread to the 12th page. I take it 12th Gen temps/power draw are just as decent as Zen 3?

I wander if W1zzard can add gaming temps to the mix in future reviews.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I take it 12th Gen temps/power draw are just as decent as Zen 3?

Not quite. Alder Lake is a bit more power hungry than Zen3, a lot more in the upper performance ranges.

I wander if W1zzard can add gaming temps to the mix in future reviews.

He doesn't really need to. No game that I know of will load a CPU to it's max like the other tests have done. Even if you find one that does, all it'll do is cause the CPU to exhibit the same thermal characteristics that have already been shown with the current tests. The testing that has been done tells you everything you need to know. W1zzard's testing didn't miss a single beat.

 

[5 o'clock Charlie]

Does anyone have any information on what security hardware mitigations have been implemented in Alder Lake cpus? I am having a hard time on Intel's Ark pages to display this information. It is not on the 12600k product page. I remember Intel posting a spreadsheet how each fix was implemented back with Whiskey Lake, but I am not finding anything with this architecture. I am just curious. Thanks.

 

[Mussels]

Not quite. Alder Lake is a bit more power hungry than Zen3, a lot more in the upper performance ranges.

He doesn't really need to. No game that I know of will load a CPU to it's max like the other tests have done. Even if you find one that does, all it'll do is cause the CPU to exhibit the same thermal characteristics that have already been shown with the current tests. The testing that has been done tells you everything you need to know. W1zzard's testing didn't miss a single beat.

This is being discussed in another thread - but the basic summary is, it's worth knowing if your gaming results are costing you 60W or 300W.
Modern CPU's (and now hybrid CPU's) with all the idling, boosting, and preferred core swapping really do make it so low thread count loads can still use a lot of power.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Does anyone have any information on what security hardware mitigations have been implemented in Alder Lake cpus? I am having a hard time on Intel's Ark pages to display this information. It is not on the 12600k product page. I remember Intel posting a spreadsheet how each fix was implemented back with Whiskey Lake, but I am not finding anything with this architecture. I am just curious. Thanks.

What security problems are you concerned with?

This is being discussed in another thread

Where's that at?

 

[pocketjacks]

I remember when Intel used to have a TDP 50W then 65W then 125W to now 150W and above.
Is this the new redefining of performance & efficiency we should expect from Intel ? Yes the 12600K is cheaper but the extra power draw will out price AMD, not to mention the new motherboard requirement for every generation of Intel CPU going forward. And now that Intel is close to par with AMD by a few frames, they will demand top dollar like they used to. And then they will create a chip shortage so that they can gouge out the consumer like they did not long ago. For performance & efficiency AMD is still the one & they have further improvements months away.