AMD Ryzen 7 5700G

[londiste]

I've never used av1 in my life, don't plan to and it doesn't matter when the CPU is beastly.
It's an oem cpu that's available for enthusiasts, b/c supply is good, now.

Are you sure? Netflix, Youtube and Facebook should all be using AV1 if supported...
Hardware decoder is definitely better than going to the CPU for it, if not faster then much-much more efficient.

However, it is only latest iterations of GPUs that have hardware AV1 decoding, in addition to RDNA2 Nvidia's Ampere and Intel's Xe. We have known for a while that 5000G is still Vega. So not that big of a surprise.

 

[TheGuruStud]

Are you sure? Netflix, Youtube and Facebook should all be using AV1 if supported...
Hardware decoder is definitely better than going to the CPU for it, if not faster then much-much more efficient.

However, it is only latest iterations of GPUs that have hardware AV1 decoding, in addition to RDNA2 Nvidia's Ampere and Intel's Xe. We have known for a while that 5000G is still Vega. So not that big of a surprise.

YouTube still uses avc, vp9, 264 if av1 unsupported (also resolution dependent I think). You can also force 264.

These new encoders are useless to me. The bitrate is cut down too far using the BS hype of "50% more efficient" or whatever they make up. Quality just gets worse. You can pry x264 from my cold, dead, hands!

 

[Mussels]

This CPU doesn't support AV1 , apple / Intel / Nvidia support AV1 yet AMD RDNA2 is the only GPU that supports AV1 , WTF is this? AMD should explain , someone buy apu and 5 or more years later , buyer will notice that 5700g doesn't support av1 , What's point of buying apu if buyer wants to enjoy it ?

gunna be years before this is needed... and also, are you really comparing the Nvidia 30 series stupidly priced cards vs an APU, with a niche feature like AV1 support?
these CPUs can smash it out in software mode without an issue

You really gunna get a budget APU for 8K video playback HTPCs, for content that doesnt exist yet?

 

[londiste]

and also, are you really comparing the Nvidia 30 series stupidly priced cards vs an APU, with a niche feature like AV1 support?

How about Intel CPUs with Xe iGPU that are competing directly to these APUs?

 

[Chrispy_]

How about Intel CPUs with Xe iGPU that are competing directly to these APUs?

Xe has it, but chances are good Xe will be superseded by something newer before AV1 is needed for mainstream video playback.

Given that you can play back AV1 in software on an Pentium Silver dual-core, I don't think any of these 8C/16T Zen3 chips are going to be burning more than 10W playing back AV1, at which point, is there really any benefit to wasting silicon area on it?

For an ultraportable using a fanless 7.5W CPU then sure, efficiency is everything but these are desktop chips with a 65W TDP connected to mains power at all times, and RDNA-based updated APUs are coming next gen so it's not like this will be a problem going forwards. For the product lifespan of the 5700G, AV1 hardware decode is unnecessary.

 

[mechtech]

Only other things I wish W!zz put in would be Witcher 3 just cause it goes back a ways and gives something for older comparison. And perhaps a first gen Zen like 1700 or something.

 

[InVasMani]

DSC 1.2a over DP 1.4 on one of these APU's using AMD Virtual Super Resolution on the APU for the desktop resolution with desktop cloning from a discrete GPU would be neat. Upscale the discrete GPU's active signal resolution passed over to the APU via desktop cloning with a desktop resolution upscale via the Virtual Super Resolution. In fact you could turn on Radeon Boost for the discrete GPU on something like a RX6600 while the APU performs virtual super resolution which then offsets it in real time. It think it would be quite interesting in practice. I'd be quite keen to see it done.

 

[Liquid Cool]

Thanks for the comprehensive review W1z. Some of the guys on the forum are big fans of the APU's...and I am definitely one of them. Very Appreciative....

The Ryzen 5 5600G is the first processor I've purchased directly from AMD. I usually just grab one from Newegg, but they were sold out at the time and I wasn't taking any chances. Before I started this post I did check Newegg's inventory and they are back in stock now. The 5700G is in stock as well.

To be honest, I'm happy with the purchase, but I was also very happy with my Ryzen 3 3200G. Although, considering the premium the 3200G's are selling at...the $100 upgrade to the Ryzen 5 5600G seemed like a no brainer.



I sold mine a couple of weeks ago...they might still be going for this, or a little higher or lower...I don't know I haven't looked, but mine was only up for a few minutes before it sold.

Considering I have a B450 series motherboard, this will be probably be the last processor I purchase for quite some time.

Best Regards,

Liquid Cool

 

[londiste]

Considering I have a B450 series motherboard, this will be probably be the last processor I purchase for quite some time.

I was about to ask whether your B450 board supported 5600G but checking the compatibility list, it actually does. Then checked my previous B450 board and it also supports 5600G which was a nice surprise. Both Ryzen 3000 and Ryzen 5000 launches were a mess (and Ryzen 4000G was largely irrelevant with APU limitations and availability) at least when it comes to boards I had - support for new processors was spotty, late and occasionally problematic. AMD has really done well with support this time around.

 

[Zubasa]

I was about to ask whether your B450 board supported 5600G but checking the compatibility list, it actually does. Then checked my previous B450 board and it also supports 5600G which was a nice surprise. Both Ryzen 3000 and Ryzen 5000 launches were a mess (and Ryzen 4000G was largely irrelevant with APU limitations and availability) at least when it comes to boards I had - support for new processors was spotty, late and occasionally problematic. AMD has really done well with support this time around.

Also, since these APUs only support PCI-E 3.0, it is logical to use a B450 board in a budget build.

 

[Chrispy_]

Also, since these APUs only support PCI-E 3.0, it is a logical to use a B450 board in a budget build.

Not only that, but there are almost no PCIe 4.0 SSDs that make financial sense for an APU, coupled with the near-imperceptible benefit that PCIe 4.0 SSDs bring compared to PCIe 3.0 for general consumer workloads.

It's the difference between an app taking 4.9s and 5.0s to load, or an autosave taking 850ms instead of 900ms. No single user is going to care

 

[AlB80]

Integrated Radeon Vega Graphics​

AMD updated a few things.

What about "Scan Converters" and "Packers"? Or did the author want to leave us in the dark?

 

[Tom Sunday]

I don't really care about either AMD or INTEL coming out with more powerful or refreshed desktop CPU chips. They have no value for me. Per Gartner desktop PC shipments have been dropping steadily from 157 million shipped worldwide in 2010 to just 79 million in 2020. Any PC growth at all in 2020 was strictly based on the robust mobile PC market, with "mobile PCs" showing a 49% growth.

NVIDIA it seems puts no real value on PC desktop type GPU's either since it's less than 1% of its market share. It's more money in their pockets to overwhelmingly produce automotive, cellular, consumer appliances, router and laptop chips which have a market share of over 90%. This is what people really need and can't do without. For the better part of a decade, for me it has always been a Alienware laptop all of the time. Or using my company laptop at same time.Then occasionally I started working from the desktop PC that had been gathering dust in my home office. No thank you.

Then recently I purchased a premium 4K chromebook for further easy use in my kitchen, garden and prolonged waiting at the DMV. I am by nature a very lazy person and want instant convenience,100% portability and availability. I am confident that mobiles will continue to be the preferred computing method for the masses. Working from a physical office and working from home, (its the new norm) desktop PCs will even further lose out in the marketplace. I guess it's called reality and not good news for the dinosaur which the desktop PC has already become or is surely heading for!

 

[Bomby569]

I don't really care about either AMD or INTEL coming out with more powerful or refreshed desktop CPU chips. They have no value for me. Per Gartner desktop PC shipments have been dropping steadily from 157 million shipped worldwide in 2010 to just 79 million in 2020. Any PC growth at all in 2020 was strictly based on the robust mobile PC market, with "mobile PCs" showing a 49% growth.

NVIDIA it seems puts no real value on PC desktop type GPU's either since it's less than 1% of its market share. It's more money in their pockets to overwhelmingly produce automotive, cellular, consumer appliances, router and laptop chips which have a market share of over 90%. This is what people really need and can't do without. For the better part of a decade, for me it has always been a Alienware laptop all of the time. Or using my company laptop at same time.Then occasionally I started working from the desktop PC that had been gathering dust in my home office. No thank you.

Then recently I purchased a premium 4K chromebook for further easy use in my kitchen, garden and prolonged waiting at the DMV. I am by nature a very lazy person and want instant convenience,100% portability and availability. I am confident that mobiles will continue to be the preferred computing method for the masses. Working from a physical office and working from home, (its the new norm) desktop PCs will even further lose out in the marketplace. I guess it's called reality and not good news for the dinosaur which the desktop PC has already become or is surely heading for!

You couldn't have a worst timming man. Anytime in recent history and this would be true, not now, not anymore. Desktop has never been this strong, never.

 

[danc]

Hey W1zzard, i like to add about the dedicated VRAM. My findings it does affect game performance, provided the games tested do not already use heavy gobs of vram.

A good test is Unigine Heaven 4.0, extreme at 1600:900, it uses about 1GB+ Vram only

Between the auto (512mb) to dedicated (2GB), the minimum fps went from 6.5fps to 15fps on the 2GB dedicated. The final scores went from 560 to 590.

So yes, you can lose performance on old engine and i assume emulators, if you left the vram on auto.

 

[Condelio]

$360 for 5700G is just too much if you're building gaming PC. You can opt for GTX 1650 + 10400F or 2nd hand 570 4gb + 10700F combo around the same budget and have much better gaming experience.

AMD needs to offer Zen3 + 12 or 16 CU RDNA1/2 APU to make me interested.

It's interesting to see how value propositions vary so wildly depending where you live. In my country a 5700g (that costs the same as a 12600k) costs more or less half of a used rx570-4gb alone.

A new 5600g (depending stock, or the face of the moon) sometimes costs the same as 5700g, sometimes 4/5 its cost.

 

[msroadkill612]

Have I read this correctly? All 20 PCI Express lanes from the CPU are available (albeit in GEN 3), unlike the 3400G which only had 12 available? And does that mean that 4x4x4x4 bifurcation is available for the primary PCI Express x16 slot?

no u havnt or its wrong - the apu loses 8 lanes to the desktop ryzens

ur mobo may still let u bifurcate the 8 lane slot tho to x4x4

 

[jeremyshaw]

no u havnt or its wrong - the apu loses 8 lanes to the desktop ryzens

ur mobo may still let u bifurcate the 8 lane slot tho to x4x4

4000G and 5000G series seem to have 16+4+4 PCIe (main PCIe slot, usually; main M.2 slot, usually; chipset) lanes available for use, same as all mainstream/enthusiast Zen/Zen+/Zen2/Zen3 desktop CPUs on AM4. 2000G/3000G only has 8+4+4.

Laptop APU variants may be more limited, but that is another issue.

 

[Mussels]

4000G and 5000G series seem to have 16+4+4 PCIe (main PCIe slot, usually; main M.2 slot, usually; chipset) lanes available for use, same as all mainstream/enthusiast Zen/Zen+/Zen2/Zen3 desktop CPUs on AM4. 2000G/3000G only has 8+4+4.

Laptop APU variants may be more limited, but that is another issue.

^ This is correct, 4000G and 5000G series have the full x16, just at gen 3.0