Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[Mussels]

Unfortunately it looks like Process Lasso just functions in the same way as Task Manager. So programs that work still work, programs that crash still crash, and programs can't set affinity still can't set affinity.

Hmm, damn. When i played around with it, it seemed to manage things better than task manager (setting before program start, remembering settings between reboots, etc)

 

[stinger608]

So, what is the deal with Ryzen's and ram? My 3700X currently has 16gigs of ram (2 X 8gigs) and I was thinking of grabbing a 2 @ 16gig set.

However, I've heard that 16 gig chips are "dual ranked" and they don't play nicely with Ryzen chips?

What the heck is that all about? Or is this some stupid rumor being spread around?

 

[outpt]

Got 2x16 Corsair in my rig and haven’t had any problems but I leave them at stock settings .

 

[Deleted member 202104]

So, what is the deal with Ryzen's and ram? My 3700X currently has 16gigs of ram (2 X 8gigs) and I was thinking of grabbing a 2 @ 16gig set.

However, I've heard that 16 gig chips are "dual ranked" and they don't play nicely with Ryzen chips?

What the heck is that all about? Or is this some stupid rumor being spread around?

I haven't had any issues with single/dual rank in 3000 series or 5000 series.

Just loaded up my crunchers with these:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07Z4NTYDM/

They're single rank DIMMs, but I have 4 in each machine, so effective dual rank/dual channel.

 

[Mussels]

So, what is the deal with Ryzen's and ram? My 3700X currently has 16gigs of ram (2 X 8gigs) and I was thinking of grabbing a 2 @ 16gig set.

However, I've heard that 16 gig chips are "dual ranked" and they don't play nicely with Ryzen chips?

What the heck is that all about? Or is this some stupid rumor being spread around?

Ryzen gets a speed boost from more ranks, but can have stability issues to go with it.

If you want OC records, you want two ranks
If you want best performance, four ranks.
If you wanna lotta ram, 8 works fine.

It's stupidly simple tbh: raise the SoC voltage slightly after you enable XMP. I'm here at 3800Mhz with four ranks and 64GB with minimal effort.

 

[stinger608]

Thanks everyone for clearing that crap up.

 

[outpt]

When Zen first came to the public there were compatibility problems but as zen has progressed memory incompatibility have gone away for the most part as always there are outliers. Some manufacturers using crap ic’s and so forth

 

[Caring1]

I haven't had any issues with single/dual rank in 3000 series or 5000 series.

Just loaded up my crunchers with these:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07Z4NTYDM/

They're single rank DIMMs, but I have 4 in each machine, so effective dual rank/dual channel.

Huh?
4 sticks of single rank in dual channel is still single rank, not dual rank.

 

[freeagent]

Huh?
4 sticks of single rank in dual channel is still single rank, not dual rank

No sir, it becomes dual rank.

 

[Caring1]

No sir, it becomes dual rank.

magic, ya learn something new every day.

 

[freeagent]

magic,

If by magic you mean Rank Interleaving, then yes

 

[Chomiq]

So, what is the deal with Ryzen's and ram? My 3700X currently has 16gigs of ram (2 X 8gigs) and I was thinking of grabbing a 2 @ 16gig set.

However, I've heard that 16 gig chips are "dual ranked" and they don't play nicely with Ryzen chips?

What the heck is that all about? Or is this some stupid rumor being spread around?

3700X and dual rank Ballistix 2x16 3600 kit. No problems with running it with slightly tighter timings. OC'ing to 3733 however resulted in WHEA warnings.

 

[tabascosauz]

So, what is the deal with Ryzen's and ram? My 3700X currently has 16gigs of ram (2 X 8gigs) and I was thinking of grabbing a 2 @ 16gig set.

However, I've heard that 16 gig chips are "dual ranked" and they don't play nicely with Ryzen chips?

What the heck is that all about? Or is this some stupid rumor being spread around?

Dual rank is good, you basically have nothing to lose as a normal Ryzen user. You get faster performance all around at the same speed compared to single rank, and better lows in games.

The main issue with 2 ranks per channel is that you naturally suffer a penalty to your maximum achievable speeds compared to single rank. So for example, on x decent board, you might do 4800 on a single rank kit but only 4000 on dual rank kit. But it doesn't matter on Ryzen because we're limited by Infinity Fabric to 3800-4000ish anyways. It only really matters a lot for 10th gen Intel, which regularly play up to 4600-4800, but even then don't forget that dual rank has performance advantage equivalent to up to 400Mbps worth of speed.

There's not really any compatibility issues with dual rank per channel. But when you start getting to 4 ranks per channel speeds can get a bit dicey (4 x 16GB with dual rank sticks), because you get hit with a freq penalty again.

If you had a 5600X or 5800X I reckon you'd start to feel the dual rank hit on your B550 Elite though. 4-layer PCB gonna limit you to 3733-3866 on dual rank, even though the CPUs can probably do 4000. But still, dual rank is faster and dual rank is good.

 

[stinger608]

Thanks everyone for the information and your info @tabascosauz clears a ton up.

Also, I need to revise my system specs. LOL. I'm running a Asus ROG Strix Gaming WiFi B550i now.

Seems to be a much better board than the Gigabyte was.


These are the memory sticks that I'm planning on:

VENGEANCE® RGB PRO 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4 DRAM 3000MHz C15 Memory Kit — Black

CORSAIR VENGEANCE RGB PRO Series DDR4 overclocked memory lights up your PC with mesmerizing dynamic multi-zone RGB lighting, while delivering the best in DDR4 performance.

www.corsair.com

Getting them second hand. They were only in a previous system for about a week, so close to new. Getting them pretty cheap as well.

 

[freeagent]

I have to really lean on my system to get single rank to even come close to dual rank.. for me, dual rank is faster all around..

 

[tabascosauz]

Thanks everyone for the information and your info @tabascosauz clears a ton up.

Also, I need to revise my system specs. LOL. I'm running a Asus ROG Strix Gaming WiFi B550i now.

Seems to be a much better board than the Gigabyte was.

These are the memory sticks that I'm planning on:

VENGEANCE® RGB PRO 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4 DRAM 3000MHz C15 Memory Kit — Black

CORSAIR VENGEANCE RGB PRO Series DDR4 overclocked memory lights up your PC with mesmerizing dynamic multi-zone RGB lighting, while delivering the best in DDR4 performance.

www.corsair.com

Getting them second hand. They were only in a previous system for about a week, so close to new. Getting them pretty cheap as well.

XMP should work fine. Might need you to disable Geardown Mode, if it instead boots into Windows automatically at 3000CL16.

Can't really tell you what is in that kit - 3000CL15 used to be a good chance of Micron Rev.E but that was 2 years ago and no idea how old this kit is.

Old kits + new boards don't always work so well - recently helped my friend rebuild and his 2133 non-XMP Flare with some sort of Hynix wouldn't POST on a newer B550 Prime Plus. I have an ancient 2x8GB Trident Z kit of Samsung 4Gb E-die (yes it's that insane 2.0V overclocker) and it POSTed up just fine.

No problems with that Strix - 8-layer ITX is not only top tier on mem OC but sometimes has a bit of latency advantage as well.

 

[stinger608]

No problems with that Strix - 8-layer ITX is not only top tier on mem OC but sometimes has a bit of latency advantage as well.

Oh sorry, it's not the "i" version it's the B550-F.
Full ATX.

 

[tabascosauz]

Oh sorry, it's not the "i" version it's the B550-F.
Full ATX.

Strix-F is nice - but direct your inquiries to @freeagent, the one true master of the Strix-F

 

[freeagent]

Thanks buddy! I just got lucky that’s all

Strix B550-F is a solid board. Though maybe not the best if you are going for all out mem clocks.. BZ and I topped out in roughly the same spot. He has an XE with 5950 compared to my F with 5900. But whatever.. not like you can use those top clocks for daily stuff.. still though, I am pretty content with the setup.. no new bios updates for a few months now so she must be done. For 8-9 months it was beta after beta.. still was good for me though, no real problems to speak of other than the ones I caused for myself

 

[tabascosauz]

no new bios updates for a few months now so she must be done. For 8-9 months it was beta after beta.. still was good for me though, no real problems to speak of other than the ones I caused for myself

I think AM4 in general is winding down. Latest BIOS for me is 3801, the exact same as your 2423 (just different numbering due to X570/B550), and exact same as Dark Hero which is also 3801. So if that's the best available on Asus' top dog, then either we're not being left behind or we're ALL being left behind lol

I'm not touching 3801 though. Tried once and CPU performance is horrendous across the board. Not sure what they or AMD did.

 

[freeagent]

It is a little sad to hear it is winding down, but I knew this day would come last year when I built it.

Looking at the Dark Hero to cap off my system, or maybe the X570-I.. but its already a couple of years old now.

I might need two more mobos actually.. one for sure for my 5600X, and maybe one for my 5900X since Zen 3D was a recent development.. must have the last AM4 CPU made. That's what this one was supposed to be.... But I see how AMD does things now

Also.. how is your 5900X holding up? Notice anything different? This CPU used to be quite boosty.. she's not as boosty as she used to be. Curious if it might be mitigations, like how it affected Intel, or maybe degradation. But I am not entirely convinced it has degraded. But I do know something is different, and I think they slipped us a microcode update through windows update.

But I could be wrong.. Probably wrong.. could just be in my head..

 

[tabascosauz]

It is a little sad to hear it is winding down, but I knew this day would come last year when I built it.

Looking at the Dark Hero to cap off my system, or maybe the X570-I.. but its already a couple of years old now.

I might need two more mobos actually.. one for sure for my 5600X, and maybe one for my 5900X since Zen 3D was a recent development.. must have the last AM4 CPU made. That's what this one was supposed to be.... But I see how AMD does things now

Also.. how is your 5900X holding up? Notice anything different? This CPU used to be quite boosty.. she's not as boosty as she used to be. Curious if it might be mitigations, like how it affected Intel, or maybe degradation. But I am not entirely convinced it has degraded. But I do know something is different, and I think they slipped us a microcode update through windows update.

But I could be wrong.. Probably wrong.. could just be in my head..

I skipped over the X570-I Strix because of it being old. My Impact is also just as old and has a similar feature set for much more $, but at least it has OC buttons, BIOS flashback, a POST code, and a good M.2 cooling solution. Still wouldn't recommend either of them though, also wouldn't recommend sinking a penny more into AM4

Did you go back to 10 or are you still on 11? 11 basically slaughtered my ST boost across the board, only thing that didn't change was all-core. Games that boost regularly to 4.8-4.9GHz in Win 10 show up as lounging at 2.5-3.0GHz in Win 11.......Win 10 also feels snappier, which isn't surprising given how boost clocks are low when doing anything in Win 11

Performance is all around the exact same as it was in February. I don't have a very good chip, the only way I can get that magic 5.0 number to show up is to run AIDA.

 

[freeagent]

I think it’s just crazy talk on my part. It boosts, I will have to review my settings I think I know what’s going on, I just haven’t been spending as much time as I used to with it. I am running 10 right now, I like 11 but they need to get their shit together and fix it. Ok we get it.. Intel is faster again.. yay.. but no need to cripple performance lol..

 

[harm9963]

It is a little sad to hear it is winding down, but I knew this day would come last year when I built it.

Looking at the Dark Hero to cap off my system, or maybe the X570-I.. but its already a couple of years old now.

I might need two more mobos actually.. one for sure for my 5600X, and maybe one for my 5900X since Zen 3D was a recent development.. must have the last AM4 CPU made. That's what this one was supposed to be.... But I see how AMD does things now

Also.. how is your 5900X holding up? Notice anything different? This CPU used to be quite boosty.. she's not as boosty as she used to be. Curious if it might be mitigations, like how it affected Intel, or maybe degradation. But I am not entirely convinced it has degraded. But I do know something is different, and I think they slipped us a microcode update through windows update.

But I could be wrong.. Probably wrong.. could just be in my head..

Dark Hero has DOCS , is one reason why I got it , to go with my 5950X, also use ASUS auto OC in the BIOS , preset for water cool, will set PBO / DOCS / Curve Optimizer.

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[Hardi]

ok i'm 99% sure its some bios issue, but i just went from 3900x to 5950x, and everything is working fine, except now when i want to change VDDG CCD/IOD voltages, whatever value i put in there, it just stays at 0,99v max. on auto with ram/if 3800/1900 it gives 0,900 and when i change it to manual it seems to just lock it @ 0,99v no matter what value i put in there.
dno maybe there's some other setting i have to change before? only new thing i can see is the curve optimizer...