3060ti 8gb vs 3060 12gb

[oxrufiioxo]

Time to jump in in troll wagon.

Show us currently any title where 3060 eats 3060 ti in 4K or even after 3,4,5 years .

I already did, Resident Evil village at 4k with RT enabled it also beats the 3070.... Like halfway through this pointless argument.... The OP already decided what he wants to do any bickering over how much vram 400+ gpus should come with is pointless at this point.

 

[lexluthermiester]

The OP already decided what he wants to do any bickering over how much vram 400+ gpus should come with is pointless at this point.

Wait, they did? I thought they were still watching.. Bugger me, I'm out.

EDIT;
Yup, back on Page 6, Dec 13th. He got an EVGA 3060 XC 12GB

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Wait, they did? I thought they were still watching.. Bugger me, I'm out.

Maybe it got lost in all the random Nvidia only giving people the min amount of vram they need for the next two years is ok on 400+ usd gpus....

He already has the 3060. He plans on grabbing the 3060ti when he gets notified in the evga queue selling the 3060 for a large profit. Then when the 4000 series gets announced get back in the queue for the 4060/4060ti.... Seems to be his plan.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Maybe it got lost in all the random Nvidia only giving people the min amount of vram they need for the next two years is ok on 400+ usd gpus....

He already has the 3060. He plans on grabbing the 3060ti when he gets notified in the evga queue selling the 3060 for a large profit. Then when the 4000 series gets announced get back in the queue for the 4060/4060ti.... Seems to be his plan.

See edit. Yeah, saw that. He might not though. Vario might realize it is a heck of a card and decide to keep it long term.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

See edit. Yeah, saw that. He might not though. Vario might realize it is a heck of a card and decide to keep it long term.

Definitely, nothing wrong with that if it suits his needs.... With the current market being so terrible he might be able to pick up a 40 series card for little out of pocket so regardless he will have options it seems with none of them being bad.

 

[AusWolf]

More VRAM isn't supposed to increase performance from the GPU, it's meant to grant more operating space for the GPU to do it's work. And you say I'M missing the point?

If it's not meant to increase performance, then what is it meant to do? "More operating space for the GPU" is useless if your GPU isn't fast enough to operate in that space at resolutions and settings that choke the GPU itself. The whole point of upgrading a gaming PC is more performance. If the only situation a 3060 12 GB delivers more performance than the 3060 Ti 8 GB is in Resident Evil Village at 4k, then it is the weaker card of the two. Simple as.

Then you're calling a lot of very smart people idiots. Think that over for a moment..

If you like a slideshow, fair play to you. If I had spare 5-600 quid, I'd much rather spend it on faster PC parts than a bigger monitor that only necessitates the faster parts that I didn't buy in the first place.

In the rest of your post, you're merely stating the fact that you disagree without any argument on your side, so please excuse me if I disregard it.

I already did, Resident Evil village at 4k with RT enabled it also beats the 3070.... Like halfway through this pointless argument.... The OP already decided what he wants to do any bickering over how much vram 400+ gpus should come with is pointless at this point.

That's one game at one resolution. Anything else?

Maybe it got lost in all the random Nvidia only giving people the min amount of vram they need for the next two years is ok on 400+ usd gpus....

He already has the 3060. He plans on grabbing the 3060ti when he gets notified in the evga queue selling the 3060 for a large profit. Then when the 4000 series gets announced get back in the queue for the 4060/4060ti.... Seems to be his plan.

Fair enough. No point in me (or anyone else) arguing any further, then. I'm still holding my opinion, though.

 

[ixi]

I already did, Resident Evil village at 4k with RT enabled it also beats the 3070.... Like halfway through this pointless argument.... The OP already decided what he wants to do any bickering over how much vram 400+ gpus should come with is pointless at this point.


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Image battle lets go, TPU review show differently!

Gratz OP on gpu! Game on.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

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Image battle lets go, TPU review show differently!

Gratz OP on gpu! Game on.

Unfortunately neither guru3d or tpu benchmarks the whole game likely only a sub 3 min section in different parts of the game doesn't make either wrong though.

 

[MentalAcetylide]

More VRAM = More headroom = better performance with higher resolutions for games. To someone like myself who does rendering, both CUDA/RT cores and VRAM are just as important since this improves rendering speed, but that extra speed won't mean anything if there isn't sufficient VRAM. In games, the extra VRAM will allow for higher resolution gaming, but if the other specs of the card don't get bumped up appropriately along with it, the FPS is probably going to "septic-tank" when you go with a higher resolution; especially if you have RT enabled. Anyway, I would never expect a 3060 to perform like a 3070 or 3080 no matter how much VRAM it is given.

 

[wolf]

Resident Evil village at 4k with RT enabled it also beats the 3070

Despite the subsequent reply showing a different story, lets go with this... Despite it being a borderline situation for either card... who would buy either expecting 4k gaming?......

If you had the 3060ti/70, and encountered this "issue", would one not lower texture setting literally one notch, likely not notice the IQ difference (lets even say one did, are the textures now mud?), but notice the ~30% uptick in performance from the faster card?

Come on... Faster card here is the better bet, for 99% of buyers. You want the 3060 12Gb for future proof max texture / substantial GPU performance deficit reasons? you're the outlier.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Despite the subsequent reply showing a different story, lets go with this.

If you had the 3060ti/70, and encountered this "issue", would one not lower texture setting literally one notch, likely not notice the IQ difference (lets even say one did, are the textures now mud?), but notice the ~30% uptick in performance from the faster card?

Come on... Faster card here is the better bet, for 99% of buyers. You want the 3060 12Gb for future proof max texture / substantial GPU performance deficit reasons? you're the outlier.

I'm more of the mindset the 3060ti and 3070 should come with more Vram not how much is the bare minimum for the next couple years.... Everyone just has to vote with their wallet and lets be real anyone who can get a gpu right now near msrp should especially those in need of an upgrade. I even stated in my original post although I don't personally care for either gpu for different reasons the 3060ti is the better of the 2.

 

[eidairaman1]

3060 and 3060 ti are different gpu dies, to get more from the 3060 requires a die and ram oc. Vram just offloads from the CPU, RAM and HDD/SSD.

A 3060 is not going to magically beat a 3060ti, this aint like GF 2, 3, 4...

 

[lexluthermiester]

If you like a slideshow, fair play to you.

Slideshow? Have you even used a 3060? Do have a 4k display? I've actually put that to the test. Turn a few settings down and a 3060 does 4k very well.

A 3060 is not going to magically beat a 3060ti

No one said that. There are a few here that think I implied it, but context seems lost. However the OC models most vendors are selling have a very respectable boost over stocks.

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Image battle lets go, TPU review show differently!

Gratz OP on gpu! Game on.

That is ONE example of a game. And you'll notice the Legend at the top that gives context: Highest, RT on, TPU custom bench scene. That is W1zzards way of testing everything to the max with that game engine. And wouldn't you know it, the 3060 12GB does fine at MAX settings. Yes, I consider anything above 30fps playable. Not optimal, but easily playable. However, when settings are config'd to more reasonable adjustments, 60fps is easily achieved.

Also take note, with this game example at 4k, the game is brushing up close to the 8GB line. Some games exceed it already. This makes the 12GB model desirable as the future of gaming will push passed 8GB.

 

[MentalAcetylide]

Yes, I consider anything above 30fps playable.

Ugh, 30 FPS is really bad for me in World of Tanks. While it is playable, it can be a real ball ache. When it starts dipping down below 50 or so, it becomes more of a chore to control your tank/aim; especially when there's a lot o foliage, trees, structures, and/or when there's several or more tanks on your screen firing around you. When it comes to 30 vs. 30 Frontline matches, I don't think even 60 FPS would be enough where you could have 20 or more tanks on the screen, and you're playing an artillery, you can easily have 30+ tanks on the screen in overhead view.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Ugh, 30 FPS is really bad for me in World of Tanks. While it is playable, it can be a real ball ache.

It can depend on the game. Some games, 30fps is perfectly enjoyable, for others it borderline unacceptable. As a rule I agree and as I said above, it's not optimal.

 

[AusWolf]

Slideshow? Have you even used a 3060? Do have a 4k display? I've actually put that to the test. Turn a few settings down and a 3060 does 4k very well.

I have a 2070 which is essentially a 3060 with 4 GB less VRAM and a wider memory bus. I don't game at 4k because 1. it's too expensive for me, 2. I'm really not that bothered by the resolution hype. I'm happy to test some stuff, though (using driver level upscaling).

Yes, I consider anything above 30fps playable. Not optimal, but easily playable. However, when settings are config'd to more reasonable adjustments, 60fps is easily achieved.

Me too. That's why I found my experience testing Resident Evil Village with maxed out settings totally fine. Of course, it's only 1080p, but I still don't think one should expect a miracle from a xx60 (or last gen xx70) level card in the latest games at 4k... especially not in any of the latest RE games which have been notoriously and unreasonably harsh on VRAM usage.

 

[seth1911]

ill prefer the 12GB.


I play mostly open world Games like No Mans Sky, Hitman Series and MMORPGS on PC

 

[Mussels]

If it's not meant to increase performance, then what is it meant to do? "More operating space for the GPU" is useless if your GPU isn't fast enough to operate in that space at resolutions and settings that choke the GPU itself. The whole point of upgrading a gaming PC is more performance. If the only situation a 3060 12 GB delivers more performance than the 3060 Ti 8 GB is in Resident Evil Village at 4k, then it is the weaker card of the two. Simple as.

More RAM and more VRAM do not increase performance.
They remove a cause of performance loss, when you run out of available RAM/VRAM.


Adding more tires to a bigass truck does not change engine performance one little bit, but it does smooth out the ride

 

[lexluthermiester]

More RAM and more VRAM do not increase performance.
They remove a cause of performance loss, when you run out of available RAM/VRAM.


Adding more tires to a bigass truck does not change engine performance one little bit, but it does smooth out the ride

Exactly. More RAM only expands capabilities and prevents unnecessary slow-downs.

 

[chrcoluk]

About - used in this context I guess you could say it would mean "close to" or something along the lines of "similar"




Let's put all this to rest now that more VRAM is better for future gaming on a slower card.

Techspot got their hands on a RTX 2060 12GB and benched it. The card, even with more CUDA is only about 4% faster than the 6GB model. The 12GB model has all the specs of a 2060 Super, but keeps the original bus of a the 2060 and that is where its downfall is, choked by the lack of memory bandwidth

Techspot didn't bench 4k resolution, but let's be honest, 2060 and even the 3060 weren't designed for 4k resolution. And for the 3060 and for those that say, "but DLSS!" - not all games support DLSS. You need to go in expecting a game not to support DLSS and simply go by the relative performance of the 3060.

More VRAM, But for Who? Nvidia RTX 2060 12GB Review

Today we're taking a look at the new GeForce RTX 2060, you know, the 12GB model that gamers were hoping would help solve the GPU shortage, but...

www.techspot.com

They did, but the problem with reviews is they dont really do long gaming runs that allow VRAM to get saturated and they also tend to bench on very well optimised games which seem to not have texture asset swapping issues, I dont see lightning returns benched e.g. which still can only do 37FPS in one of the towns on my 3080.

Finally they dont test mods which can send VRAM usage through the roof, neither have I ever seen optional 4k texture mod packs benched either. So we not seeing a clear picture, but if your choice of games is the one's that keep been picked for reviews and you dont explore much out of benchmark areas then fair enough.

With that said I do agree generally raw rendering performance is usually going to be the primary factor, I think when VRAM should be considered is if either you know the GPU will bottleneck in your use scenario or the performance differential is only single digits. I would e.g. take a 5% slower card that had 30% more VRAM. Especially when you consider turning down textures in a game is usually extremely noticeable vs say toning down fog density.

 

[eidairaman1]

More RAM and more VRAM do not increase performance.
They remove a cause of performance loss, when you run out of available RAM/VRAM.


Adding more tires to a bigass truck does not change engine performance one little bit, but it does smooth out the ride

Yeah tell that to rubber band tire runners

 

[AusWolf]

More RAM and more VRAM do not increase performance.
They remove a cause of performance loss, when you run out of available RAM/VRAM.

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 12 GB Review

NVIDIA stealth-launched the GeForce RTX 2060 12 GB last month. We bought a card in retail, so we can find out how much of a difference doubling the VRAM from 6 GB to 12 GB makes, and how much of the performance gains can be attributed to the increased GPU core counts.

www.techpowerup.com

... if there is a performance loss in the first place. Notice that the 12 GB 2060 can't beat the 8 GB 2060 Super in basically any instance. Those two cards have very similar GPUs, not like the 3060 Ti which is significantly faster than the 3060. This is why I'm saying that going for more VRAM is only a no-brainer when you're comparing two cards with identical GPUs.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Notice that the 12 GB 2060 can't beat the 8 GB 2060 Super in basically any instance.

You're missing context. That card is a hybrid between the 192bit bus of the 2060 and the greater number of compute units of the 2060S. It performs right where it's suppose to. What makes this card a winner is the fact that it exists and is not garbage. Then when you account for the fact that most AIB's will make OC models, the picture gets rosier. Then when you account for the reality that miners are going to love this card for cryptocoin that is memory intensive and they will prefer these cards over the 30X0 cards as the ROI will be much better.

Your argument really isn't one. Please don't take that personally, just trying to give you a bigger picture view.

 

[Vicious]

Some of you guys are pretty funny on here. Who in their right mind is going to get a 3060 to game at 4K?

 

[AusWolf]

That card is a hybrid between the 192bit bus of the 2060 and the greater number of compute units of the 2060S.

Exactly.
The point is: bus width matters more than an extra 4 GB VRAM on a 2060 (Super) class card. If you have a difference in GPU config as well, like on the 3060 - 3060 Ti pair, the difference is much more pronounced.

What makes this card a winner is the fact that it exists and is not garbage.

I totally agree with that, though I was not disputing its relevance. I was only stating that factors other than VRAM capacity matter more at the 2060-3060 range.