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It doesn't make sense because that's not how Intel wants to segment their products. End of story.That picture basically disproves what you were arguing: if it makes sense to disable 4 E core on i5, why won't it make sense to disable 4 cores on an i7?
I don't expect we'll an all P cores i7 either. But not for the reasons you gave![]()
Thanks for that. It's sadly so rare on the Internet that you ask someone for a source of data and they actually provide it, normally you just get "Google it yourself". Props to you!From Tomshardware: '
MSI recently confirmed via a livestream that Intel uses two different dies for the Alder Lake series: One die has eight P-cores and eight E-cores (8P+8E), and another has just six P-cores (6+0). Obviously, the latter die is much smaller and thus more cost-effective, therefore making far more sense for use in the non-hybrid Alder Lake chips with six or fewer cores.
However, leaked testing indicates that the Core i5-12400 chips vary on a chip-to-chip basis and can come with either die type. That means C0 stepping chips like ours actually have a total of eight P-cores and eight E-cores, but Intel disables the extra cores to trim it down to a 6+0 design. Naturally, that helps the company sell larger dies that encounter defects during manufacturing. It could also help improve supply and manufacturing efficiency when there aren't enough 'perfect' defect-free 6+0 dies available.
The physical difference between the dies — the 8P+8E design's ring bus extends to cover the disabled E-cores and P-Cores — implies that the H0-stepping 6+0 dies will have lower core-to-core latencies. That could theoretically lead to slightly faster performance under certain conditions. Additionally, anecdotal evidence also suggests that the H0 chips require less power. We're working to source an H0 chip for comparison and will follow up as necessary. '
How much L3?In cpu-z my 12400F has H0 stepping.
Binning also doesn't make sense because that suggests that a perfectly good 1x900 could be bumped down to a 1x400 simply by virtue of having a poor IMC, which would be a massive waste of silicon. I think it's far more likely that Intel adds some extra circuitry, maybe just some extra caps, on the higher-end models that allow them to handle higher memory clocks. Hell, it could even be something as simple as the BIOS applying different settings for different SKUs (this is somewhat in the realm of conspiracy theory but sadly not something I'd put past Intel).On skylake, comet lake etc it was usual that you need the top model to achieve highest ram oc. Typically you could do 4600+ on a 10900K, but a 10400F might not do more than 4000 not matter what SA volt you pulled. It seems binning is both done on IMC aswell atleast for prior gens. I've seen several do 4000+ gear 1 on 12900K, but very few can do 4000+ on 12600K, and for the locked oarts 3400-3800 seems usual, but we generally pair them with cheaper MBs which can contribute.
You're 100% correct, I completely forgot that the i9 and i7 core counts dropped by 2 from 10th to 11th gen.Intel flipflop on core counts in each stack every generation or two, so while you can be confident they may follow their recent history you cannot be certain of it continuing
Look how many years we had dual core quad and hex core i7's (laptop) on the market at the same time as four, six, eight and ten core i7's in desktops
Look at the 10900k to 11900K, suddenly dropping two cores from the top i7 - and these were both compatible with the same mobos.