Windows 11 General Discussion

R-T-B · Feb 18, 2022

Ahhzz said:
You have my pitchfork!!

Personally, I like how they put all the fluff-n-stuff at the top of the blog, and bury the lede 4/5ths of the way down the page.... Definitely pushing people with the belief that they'll just cave to the path of least resistance...

The way it's worded, it might be expected for "flights" (betas) only, which would be a lot less bad.

lexluthermiester · Feb 19, 2022

windwhirl said:
Windows 11 Pro edition now requires internet connectivity. If you choose to setup device for personal use, MSA will be required for setup as well. You can expect Microsoft Account to be required in subsequent WIP flights.

I didn't see this before. What are we talking about? And what version?

If true this will not be acceptable. I've said it before and I'll say it again here: microsoft, quit acting like D-bags! You can go frak your collective selves with this online presence nonsense! I NEVER allow an internet connection until AFTER installation is complete and Windows is configured to my exacting specifications.

R-T-B said:
The way it's worded, it might be expected for "flights" (betas) only, which would be a lot less bad.

Let's hope microsoft would be smarter than to do this to the general public...

eidairaman1 · Feb 19, 2022

Solaris17 said:
Just passing through again to say I have windows 11 on all my systems TPM and core isolation and all. Un-molested by UI modifications et al and everything runs and performs just dandy.

Figured id just add a comment about the win 11 positives to spice things up a touch. After all the people having issues are often the loudest.

Squeaky wheel gets the grease

windwhirl · Feb 19, 2022

lexluthermiester said:
I didn't see this before.

... I have a confession to make:
When I posted that, I was half expecting your post right after mine to go straight to the MS Account controversy :laugh:

I was rather confused that you didn't even throw a bit of sass or snark at it :laugh:

Anyway, keep in mind this is announced in a Dev build release note. Microsoft isn't being fully clear here, but what I think is happening is:

1-Going forward, clean installs of Windows 11 Pro Dev builds will require both internet connectivity and MS account integration during setup, at least for personal use (enterprise/domain-controlled devices don't require the MSA, for obvious reasons, but it seems they're still gonna require internet connectivity). Rather par for the course, if you join the beta program you're expected to collaborate with increased telemetry and feedback.

2-Going forward, future Insider builds of Windows 11 Pro will require MSA too (again exception will be enterprise/domain-controlled devices). From what I've seen, it seems a lot of people joined the betas without being part of the Insider program, which back in Windows 10 required MSA integration. To me this means that if you get a build update, you will be prompted to login with MSA or you'll not receive build updates without MSA.

3-This last one is a bit speculative, but it's clear to me Microsoft wants to go in this direction, and this is the one that concerns basically the entire user base. Next big update of Windows 11 (say, Windows 11 22H1 or 22H2) will require both Internet connectivity and MSA for Windows 11 Pro releases in the normal update channel (so far, it had been a thing only on Home edition).

eidairaman1 said:
Squeaky wheel gets the grease

Yep, so if people don't want MSA-required setups for personal use, they better screech loudly.

plastiscɧ · Feb 20, 2022

lexluthermiester said:
I didn't see this before. What are we talking about? And what version?

If true this will not be acceptable. I've said it before and I'll say it again here: microsoft, quit acting like D-bags! You can go frak your collective selves with this online presence nonsense! I NEVER allow an internet connection until AFTER installation is complete and Windows is configured to my exacting specifications.

Let's hope microsoft would be smarter than to do this to the general public...

there is already a workaround. more when everything is official and in the clean slate.
we should keep our powder dry and not shoot where it does not necessarily already have to be. especially not for "beta stories".

ThrashZone · Feb 20, 2022

Hi,
Doubt I'd give 11 another thought and just dump all four installs I have of it if ms follows through with all the new requirements ms account/ active internet and of course enforces the obnoxious security stuff too

To me it just frees up four ssd's for something else.

10 and 11 aren't all that different and some ways 11 is far worse.

Lex what happened to you on elevenforums that was a short tour lol

windwhirl · Feb 20, 2022

plastiscɧ said:
especially not for "beta stories"

True. That's the reason why it was underlined that the changes were in Dev channel. So there's still time for Microsoft to change their mind.

Though, on the other hand, they didn't change their minds regarding the requirements, even though that didn't stop people from installing it on positively ancient hardware :laugh:

Atomic77 · Feb 20, 2022

Windows 11 is awesome sauce. I have been running it on both my HP Laptop 1 year old and my newer Dell AIO. It is a great OS and will continue to get better over time. It does however take some getting use too expecilly coming from people who may not have experienced windows 10.

plastiscɧ · Feb 20, 2022

windwhirl said:
True. That's the reason why it was underlined that the changes were in Dev channel. So there's still time for Microsoft to change their mind.

Though, on the other hand, they didn't change their minds regarding the requirements, even though that didn't stop people from installing it on positively ancient hardware

if they do not change their mind, the "right" corrective steps/measures are already in place.

if microsoft will shy away from something, like the devil from holy water, then that there are devices that are not provided with their operating system due to their requirements.
all lost profit... so I firmly believe that everything is eaten only half as hot as it was cooked.
I am confident that it will not come as announced. otherwise sentence one (above written) will take place.

i have already read the workaround; it will once again go from behind through the chest into the eye.
inevitably, without hack, crack or virus.

lexluthermiester · Feb 20, 2022

ThrashZone said:
Lex what happened to you on elevenforums that was a short tour lol

Yeah, it was. One of the regular users got "uppity" with me, wouldn't shut up about his opinion that was not helpful to the thread topic and the mods of the site wouldn't do anything about it, so I gave him a piece of my mind, sans brain-mouth filter. When the mods finally decided to do something, instead of asking him to leave me alone and me to take it easy, they just banned me. No warning, no input, just banned. Daft dolts... Handy site for finding good info but the moderation policies and style leaves greatly much to be desired.

plastiscɧ · Feb 20, 2022

lexluthermiester said:
Yeah, it was. One of the regular users got "uppity" with me, wouldn't shut up about his opinion that was not helpful to the tread topic and the mods of the site wouldn't do anything about it, so I gave him a piece of my mind, sans brain-mouth filter. When the mods finally decided to do something, instead of asking him to leave me alone and me to take it easy, they just banned me. No warning, no input, just banned. Daft dolts... Handy site for finding good info but the moderation policies and style leaves greatly much to be desired.

welcome back on the dark side of the power..

MarsM4N · Feb 20, 2022

lexluthermiester said:
Yeah, it was. One of the regular users got "uppity" with me, wouldn't shut up about his opinion that was not helpful to the thread topic and the mods of the site wouldn't do anything about it, so I gave him a piece of my mind, sans brain-mouth filter. When the mods finally decided to do something, instead of asking him to leave me alone and me to take it easy, they just banned me. No warning, no input, just banned. Daft dolts... Handy site for finding good info but the moderation policies and style leaves greatly much to be desired.

Can't be worse than EA's Forums.

It's like walking on a mine field over there.

Trash games, horrible customer service & facist mods.

lexluthermiester · Feb 20, 2022

MarsM4N said:
Can't be worse than EA's Forums. It's like walking on a mine field over there.

Trash games, horrible customer service & facist mods.

That's fair and true. EA's forums are the very definition of $&itshow.

While I'm a bit bitter, not holding a grudge really. I just think it was unfair. Got better things to do with my time than argue with nit-wit users who do not understand simple context.

Splinterdog · Feb 20, 2022

lexluthermiester said:
That's fair and true. EA's forums are the very definition of $&itshow.

While I'm a bit bitter, not holding a grudge really. I just think it was unfair. Got better things to do with my time than argue with nit-wit users who do not understand simple context.

Hey, you're not alone. I was once banned from a forum for openly questioning the T&Cs. I was vaporised, but clearly hadn't read the T&C where it was clearly stated that any reference to or questioning of the T&Cs would result in an immediate ban. It wasn't a forum based in N Korea by the way.

lexluthermiester said:
This is strange. Haven't see this. Then again, none of the Win11 installs I've done have been on systems with TPM or SecureBoot enabled. A few have had UEFI. So maybe put your BIOS into Legacy mode, disable SecureBoot and TPM, then see what happens..

Following my weird problem of Win 11 not booting with TPM enabled, I found a new Gigabyte BIOS update, F62 dated 9th Feb 2022 which has now solved the problem.
Then, when looking into installing Win 11 on my wife's new PC using an Athlon 3000G (launch date Nov 2019) and having checked its compatibility, I find that it's not compatible.

I know I can work around this, but equally I still find this CPU compatibility issue a true bed of nails and as cynical as you can get.

Rock N Roll Rebel · Feb 20, 2022

ill see if I can find the article again I don't know if I can but Microsoft said that they are changing their CPU support for windows 11 it said that they are going to make it where the Rysen 2000 series will not work anymore with the os. I hope that's not true because my X-wife has a crosshair vi hero and a 1000 series CPU in it and I was going to upgrade it to a 2000 series CPU so she can try windows 11.

Splinterdog · Feb 20, 2022

Rock N Roll Rebel said:
ill see if I can find the article again I don't know if I can but Microsoft said that they are changing their CPU support for windows 11 it said that they are going to make it where the Rysen 2000 series will not work anymore with the os. I hope that's not true because my X-wife has a crosshair vi hero and a 1000 series CPU in it and I was going to upgrade it to a 2000 series CPU so she can try windows 11.

The last update on this from Microsoft that I can see is from last December.
I've just finished a clean install of Win 11 on an Athlon 3000G which allegedly is not compatible, by hitting shift+F10 at the first screen when booting from the install media, I brought up the command prompt and ran a regedit reg file I had copied to the pendrive previously. You can get around this ludicrous issue by doing just that - bypassing the CPU check no matter what the CPU.

windwhirl · Feb 20, 2022

Rock N Roll Rebel said:
ill see if I can find the article again I don't know if I can but Microsoft said that they are changing their CPU support for windows 11 it said that they are going to make it where the Rysen 2000 series will not work anymore with the os. I hope that's not true because my X-wife has a crosshair vi hero and a 1000 series CPU in it and I was going to upgrade it to a 2000 series CPU so she can try windows 11.

They were upping the requirements for Android support in comparison with baseline Windows minimal spec, but I havent' heard anything else.

Splinterdog · Feb 20, 2022

windwhirl said:
They were upping the requirements for Android support in comparison with baseline Windows minimal spec, but I havent' heard anything else.

In this article.

Android apps on Windows 11 require an SSD and at least 8GB of RAM

Android apps will run on many PCs, but hitting the recommended specs could cost you.

www.windowscentral.com

RJARRRPCGP · Feb 21, 2022

Splinterdog said:
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I know I can work around this, but equally I still find this CPU compatibility issue a true bed of nails and as cynical as you can get.

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windwhirl · Feb 21, 2022

Splinterdog said:
In this article.

Android apps on Windows 11 require an SSD and at least 8GB of RAM

Android apps will run on many PCs, but hitting the recommended specs could cost you.

www.windowscentral.com

Yeah, I was aware of that. It came up in one of the Windows blog posts.

I just haven't heard anything involving upping the minimum system requirements for Windows itself.

lexluthermiester · Feb 21, 2022

Splinterdog said:
I still find this CPU compatibility issue a true bed of nails and as cynical as you can get.

100% with you on that. I will NEVER comply with it. Use of particular features must ALWAYS be the users choice, not something forced by the nitwits making dumbass decisions at microsoft.

Bomby569 · Feb 21, 2022

Windows 11 Pro will soon force you to have a Microsoft account for installation

A minor inconvenience for some. Downright infuriating for others.

www.pcgamer.com

i'm not even complaining i think you can just create a bogus account linked to nothing and problem solved, but it really shows they are after our data

Splinterdog · Feb 21, 2022

Bomby569 said:
Windows 11 Pro will soon force you to have a Microsoft account for installation

A minor inconvenience for some. Downright infuriating for others.

www.pcgamer.com

i'm not even complaining i think you can just create a bogus account linked to nothing and problem solved, but it really shows they are after our data

This is madness! As the author of the article points out, many of us install Windows on machines that don't belong to us - customers' machines for example. 90% of the installations I carry out are for new machines that I've built or as a result of a repair. As it is, I intentionally DO NOT have a live connection on any new install, because what happens after that is none of my concern.

ThrashZone · Feb 21, 2022

Bomby569 said:
Windows 11 Pro will soon force you to have a Microsoft account for installation

A minor inconvenience for some. Downright infuriating for others.

www.pcgamer.com

i'm not even complaining i think you can just create a bogus account linked to nothing and problem solved, but it really shows they are after our data

Hi,
Yeah this

Clean Install Windows 11 Tutorial

This tutorial will show you step by step on how to clean install Windows 11 at boot on your PC with or without an Internet connection and setup with a local account or Microsoft account. Windows 11 has all the power and security of Windows 10 with a redesigned and refreshed look. It also comes...

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windwhirl · Feb 21, 2022

ThrashZone said:
Hi,
Yeah this

Clean Install Windows 11 Tutorial

This tutorial will show you step by step on how to clean install Windows 11 at boot on your PC with or without an Internet connection and setup with a local account or Microsoft account. Windows 11 has all the power and security of Windows 10 with a redesigned and refreshed look. It also comes...

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... You know, they could have simply not pushed the MSA requirement if they were gonna leave such a massive hole in the wall anyway

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