Intel Core i5-12400F

[zatarcz]

But ASUS support told me that my board does not plan to support Ryzen 5000 (Czech Republic). PRIME A320M-K does not yet have the Ryzen 5000 series on the CPU support list, as I can see. But that would be great. The 5600G or 5600X would be a great choice.

 

[bug]

But ASUS support told me that my board does not plan to support Ryzen 5000 (Czech Republic). PRIME A320M-K does not yet have the Ryzen 5000 series on the CPU support list, as I can see. But that would be great. The 5600G or 5600X would be a great choice.

I don't think either of those is a significant improvement over a 3600.

 

[Taraquin]

But ASUS support told me that my board does not plan to support Ryzen 5000 (Czech Republic). PRIME A320M-K does not yet have the Ryzen 5000 series on the CPU support list, as I can see. But that would be great. The 5600G or 5600X would be a great choice.

There are several videos on youtube showing Asus A320m K running 5950X after newest bios. It has agesa 1.2.0.3c which we know support it

5600X is a okay upgrade, I had 3600 ealier and in some games the improvement was large if using dlss and high refresh

 

[Mussels]

ROG STRIX B350-F GAMING. I have the system specifications in my profile .

You genuinely might.

Hell some people have found they can cross-flash 300 boards with 400 BIOS

 

[Taraquin]

This is disapointing! SA-voltage is stuck at 0.9-0.96V if you run at locked CPU. This will allow for 3400-3733 OC in gear 1, in many cases you can`t even get 3600 stable. Shame on you Intel. Unless they change this and make it possible to increase SA-voltage I would say that 5600X is a better deal since almost all of them can run ram at 3800 or higher without problems.

From MSI internal test, so far the result is as below,
*All result is done by MP CPU, QS CPU might have inconsistent result as MP CPU*

• Non-K + B chipset = cannot increase VCCSA (it sits around 0.91x to 0.92xV depending on IMC quality)
• Non-K + Z chipset = cannot increase VCCSA (it sits around 0.91x to 0.92xV depending on IMC quality)
• K + B chipset = can increase VCCSA (This scenario was not confirmed by Intel, but so far it worked)
• K + Z chipset = can increase VCCSA

MSI's Latest Z690 & B660 Motherboard BIOS Improves Intel Alder Lake Non-K Memory Compatibility (wccftech.com)

 

[Space Lynx]

@W1zzard I found this at a local store for MSRP, I am considering buying it instead of waiting for 5800 3d cache cpu April 20th. I got 6700 XT at MSRP recently, cause lucky... lol

Anyways, I feel like 5800x 3d cache cpu is going to be overkill for a 6700 xt budget 1080p rig.

I have one question though, in your review on the gaming sections, you have games measured 3x with this chip, one is no power limit, one is stock (ddr5 ram next to it) and the other is listed in the color green, 2.5/4.4 - is the color green stock with nothing adjusted in BIOS? or what would I need to change in BIOS if I wanted to achieve the "green" (removing power limit doesn't seem worth it to me, as the green scores are close enough) I just need to figure out how the heck do I get adjust the settings to get green, if I buy it...

I think I just confused myself... someone help lol


EDIT: I think green is just stock on all his reviews? can someone please confirm this. that would be excellent, I won't have to change any settings in BIOS if the case... just set xmp for ram and all done

 

[W1zzard]

I have one question though, in your review on the gaming sections, you have games measured 3x with this chip, one is no power limit, one is stock (ddr5 ram next to it) and the other is listed in the color green, 2.5/4.4 - is the color green stock with nothing adjusted in BIOS? or what would I need to change in BIOS if I wanted to achieve the "green" (removing power limit doesn't seem worth it to me, as the green scores are close enough) I just need to figure out how the heck do I get adjust the settings to get green, if I buy it...

I think I just confused myself... someone help lol


EDIT: I think green is just stock on all his reviews? can someone please confirm this. that would be excellent, I won't have to change any settings in BIOS if the case... just set xmp for ram and all done

green is stock everything, like it's listed in the specs table. some motherboards remove the power limits by default, in that case you'd have to activate the intel default power limit manually. green is like a baseline

 

[Space Lynx]

green is stock everything, like it's listed in the specs table. some motherboards remove the power limits by default, in that case you'd have to activate the intel default power limit manually. green is like a baseline

I am going to do this then, $109 b660m asrock gaming phantom 4 mobo (it has heatsinks on both vrms), and $179 12400f, and qvl ram for that mobo is the Patriot 2x16gb 32gb total at $125, combine that with my msrp 479 6700 xt, and i already have psu, case, cooler, etc in waiting.

literally the most bang for buck budget system in the last two years the world has ever seen. LOL damn I am good. I am so good I need to start smoking cigars, cause damn.

 

[Taraquin]

I am going to do this then, $109 b660m asrock gaming phantom 4 mobo (it has heatsinks on both vrms), and $179 12400f, and qvl ram for that mobo is the Patriot 2x16gb 32gb total at $125, combine that with my msrp 479 6700 xt, and i already have psu, case, cooler, etc in waiting.

literally the most bang for buck budget system in the last two years the world has ever seen. LOL damn I am good. I am so good I need to start smoking cigars, cause damn.

If you wait 1 month you will get ryzen 5 5600 for 199usd, combine that with a cheap B550 MB (80-90usd) and you get the same performance stock as 12400F and better perf if you tweak it since 12400F only can run ram at 3400-3600 i gear 1 vs 3800+ on 5600.

I have both 5600X and 12400F and prefer 5600X since it's a bit faster i gaming and much faster in compress/decompress.

 

[Space Lynx]

If you wait 1 month you will get ryzen 5 5600 for 199usd, combine that with a cheap B550 MB (80-90usd) and you get the same performance stock as 12400F and better perf if you tweak it since 12400F only can run ram at 3400-3600 i gear 1 vs 3800+ on 5600.

I have both 5600X and 12400F and prefer 5600X since it's a bit faster i gaming and much faster in compress/decompress.

costs go up significantly though, I will need a better mobo (cause of ram speeds), so thats now going to be $170-180 min, and if I am spending that much, I might as well spend 20-30 more for a proper x570 tomahawk, then the ram itself, a nice high speed ram is going to cost me 200 2x16gb for 32 total bdie, to oc, thats another 200 vs 125...

and at end of day in most games i prob won't even be able to tell the difference. the whole idea here is budget.

 

[Taraquin]

costs go up significantly though, I will need a better mobo (cause of ram speeds), so thats now going to be $170-180 min, and if I am spending that much, I might as well spend 20-30 more for a proper x570 tomahawk, then the ram itself, a nice high speed ram is going to cost me 200 2x16gb for 32 total bdie, to oc, thats another 200 vs 125...

and at end of day in most games i prob won't even be able to tell the difference. the whole idea here is budget.

No, you don't need a expensive motherboard for ram speed on Ryzen, Intel on the other hand.... My cheap mobo (GB B550m S2H costs 100usd) runs ram at 4133/2066 without problems. Thanks to AMDs agesas you get same ram support on cheap and expensive motherboards. No point in X570 unless you need 2-3x nvme, 10+ usb etc.

 

[tussinman]

I am going to do this then, $109 b660m asrock gaming phantom 4 mobo (it has heatsinks on both vrms), and $179 12400f, and qvl ram for that mobo is the Patriot 2x16gb 32gb total at $125, combine that with my msrp 479 6700 xt, and i already have psu, case, cooler, etc in waiting.

literally the most bang for buck budget system in the last two years the world has ever seen. LOL damn I am good. I am so good I need to start smoking cigars, cause damn.

Good setup for sure. Congrats

If you wait 1 month you will get ryzen 5 5600 for 199usd, combine that with a cheap B550 MB (80-90usd) and you get the same performance stock as 12400F and better perf if you tweak it since 12400F only can run ram at 3400-3600 i gear 1 vs 3800+ on 5600.

I have both 5600X and 12400F and prefer 5600X since it's a bit faster i gaming and much faster in compress/decompress.

Performance between the 2 (12400 and 5600) will be insignificant gaming wise. Price will be the same (12400f slightly higher motherboard cost but slightly cheaper CPU cost).

12400F would be the better buy since Intel has confirmed that LGA 1700 will be compatible with 13th gen Raptor Lake. Love the 5000 series but present day I wouldn't tell any gamer to buy into that platform, would rather lock into 12th/13th gen now for sure (it's no offense to AMD, it's just almost 1.5 years old at this point so there stuck inbetween generations).

Alot of these future chips there pushing (5800 3d, 5700, 5600 non-x) are more geared towards people that already have the AM4 platform and want to extend the life.

 

[Taraquin]

Good setup for sure. Congrats

Performance between the 2 (12400 and 5600) will be insignificant gaming wise. Price will be the same (12400f slightly higher motherboard cost but slightly cheaper CPU cost).

12400F would be the better buy since Intel has confirmed that LGA 1700 will be compatible with 13th gen Raptor Lake. Love the 5000 series but present day I wouldn't tell any gamer to buy into that platform, would rather lock into 12th/13th gen now for sure (it's no offense to AMD, it's just almost 1.5 years old at this point so there stuck inbetween generations).

Alot of these future chips there pushing (5800 3d, 5700, 5600 non-x) are more geared towards people that already have the AM4 platform and want to extend the life.

If you want raptor lake I too can recommend B660, but gamingwise 5600 will be a bit faster if you tune things since 5600X is 5-10% faster in gaming once tuned. I have both 12400F and 5600X max tuned so I know what I'm talking about If you run them stock the will perform equal.

If prices are not that different I would get a 12600KF (100usd+ vs 12400F) and Msi Z690 P (+50usd on MB). This combo will be significantly faster (10-15%+ stock, 15-25% tuned with 3800-4300 ram gear 1 and cpu oc).

 

[Space Lynx]

If you want raptor lake I too can recommend B660, but gamingwise 5600 will be a bit faster if you tune things since 5600X is 5-10% faster in gaming once tuned. I have both 12400F and 5600X max tuned so I know what I'm talking about If you run them stock the will perform equal.

If prices are not that different I would get a 12600KF (100usd+ vs 12400F) and Msi Z690 P (+50usd on MB). This combo will be significantly faster (10-15%+ stock, 15-25% tuned with 3800-4300 ram gear 1 and cpu oc).

12600kf just went on sale at a local store for $249. going to probably pick that up tomorrow. price is unbeatable.

im disabling those stupid ass ecores though

 

[Taraquin]

12600kf just went on sale at a local store for $249. going to probably pick that up tomorrow. price is unbeatable.

im disabling those stupid ass ecores though

I would find a cheap Z690 if I were you, oc capabilities and generally better vrm etc Since SA voltage is unlocked you can expect 4000-4200 (3800 if really unlucky, 4300 if very lucky) and up to 7000+ if good board on ram oc vs 3400-3600 (6200-6600 on DDR5) on 12400F due to hard lock on SA to 0.89-0.98v.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

If you are running it stock, the E cores will not hamper it in any way. I have run my 12700k OC'd and stock, both with E cores active and had no detrimental effect in either case.

 

[AleXXX666]

This is disapointing! SA-voltage is stuck at 0.9-0.96V if you run at locked CPU. This will allow for 3400-3733 OC in gear 1, in many cases you can`t even get 3600 stable. Shame on you Intel. Unless they change this and make it possible to increase SA-voltage I would say that 5600X is a better deal since almost all of them can run ram at 3800 or higher without problems.

From MSI internal test, so far the result is as below,
*All result is done by MP CPU, QS CPU might have inconsistent result as MP CPU*

• Non-K + B chipset = cannot increase VCCSA (it sits around 0.91x to 0.92xV depending on IMC quality)
• Non-K + Z chipset = cannot increase VCCSA (it sits around 0.91x to 0.92xV depending on IMC quality)
• K + B chipset = can increase VCCSA (This scenario was not confirmed by Intel, but so far it worked)
• K + Z chipset = can increase VCCSA

MSI's Latest Z690 & B660 Motherboard BIOS Improves Intel Alder Lake Non-K Memory Compatibility (wccftech.com)

AM4 is no-upgrade path, so building new system on it is worth only with ultra-cheap built considering used market. and please don't say one will choose overprice 3D ryzen over monster ryzen 9 for f...n SAME price lol.
otherwise there is no so big deal on RAM speed because if you want more bandwidth just get a DDR5 platform which even at stock 4800 will distinguish all your "b-dies" or other "push the limit ddr4" lmfao.

 

[Taraquin]

AM4 is no-upgrade path, so building new system on it is worth only with ultra-cheap built considering used market. and please don't say one will choose overprice 3D ryzen over monster ryzen 9 for f...n SAME price lol.
otherwise there is no so big deal on RAM speed because if you want more bandwidth just get a DDR5 platform which even at stock 4800 will distinguish all your "b-dies" or other "push the limit ddr4" lmfao.

This was over a year ago so my recommandations is not the same now. Yeah, AM4 is a dead end, although 5800X3D has dropped alot in price. For people already on AM4 I would recommend 5800X3D. For buying a new setup now I would go 13600KF and tune it or preferably 7800X3D with DDR5 if you want option to upgrade CPU in a few year. One issue with DDR5 on Intel is high starting price on MBs. Cheapest B660 D5 in Norway costs 210usd last I checked, cheapest D4 120usd. Cheapest B550 costs 90usd.

5600 150usd
B550 90 usd
240 total

12400F 180usd
B660 120usd
300 total

13600kf 330usd
Z690 D5 210usd
540 total

7800x3d 450usd
B650 170usd
620 total

The last setup will be fastest if gaming is pri.

 

[Mussels]

AM4 doesn't need new CPU releases to remain relevant, as long as it's cost effective
If the problem is no new CPU's without a new motherboard then it's just on equal fotting to intel, who often release a new motherboard/chipset that's backwards compatible with a gen old CPU, but the older CPU's often have problems or missing features on the new boards


I'm using a 4K example here, deal with it. It's no different to a lower resolution with a weaker GPU.

To say it's a bad idea or a dead platform when these <100W CPU's that run on a small air cooler are so high up in the charts

The only thing AM4 isn't keeping up well with is multi threaded rendering workloads, gaming performance like this is achievable even on a shity OEM AM4 board.
It's damned hard to justify the CPU, RAM, board and cooling costs to get <5% gains for the average user

 

[AleXXX666]

This was over a year ago so my recommandations is not the same now. Yeah, AM4 is a dead end, although 5800X3D has dropped alot in price. For people already on AM4 I would recommend 5800X3D. For buying a new setup now I would go 13600KF and tune it or preferably 7800X3D with DDR5 if you want option to upgrade CPU in a few year. One issue with DDR5 on Intel is high starting price on MBs. Cheapest B660 D5 in Norway costs 210usd last I checked, cheapest D4 120usd. Cheapest B550 costs 90usd.

5600 150usd
B550 90 usd
240 total

12400F 180usd
B660 120usd
300 total

13600kf 330usd
Z690 D5 210usd
540 total

7800x3d 450usd
B650 170usd
620 total

The last setup will be fastest if gaming is pri.

yeah, but $80 difference AM5 vs 13Gen isn't really worth. You could buy some 1TB SSD for games for it, or spend more on some other HW.

 

[gasolin]

No Boost & Clock Frequencies WHY

 

[Mussels]

@W1zzard Good question - missing a page on this one, it seems.

 

[W1zzard]

Guess I forgot to test it. Checked my XLS, data is not there

 

[Mussels]

yeah, but $80 difference AM5 vs 13Gen isn't really worth. You could buy some 1TB SSD for games for it, or spend more on some other HW.

To be fair i've been seeing A520 boards (And B450) for $20Au second hand, and $30 for 16GB of ram (3600, at that)

When you only need the CPU and have many years of hardware to draw from, the second-hand market is incredibly cheap. A 5600x3D (in the US) or a 5800x3D out of it are still really, really competitive when you account for the fact they don't care about slow latency RAM and they're low wattage while gaming - even the worst boards can handle them.