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Says the guy with a i3 10100F
Hey my I3 is on the level of an I7 6700K, just spend 80€ while u spend on the 6700K 300€ + 150€ for the Z Board:laugh:
 
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U think, of course ure 12700F is better.
But my future build is for Work and Home with Solidworks and Siemens NX yeah just the I3 10100F, but paired with 128GB RAM.

:p


I can host u some 3D Files from an machine and Solidworks took about 83GB of RAM without simulation :laugh:
 
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I think mine is a tad better than a 10100F
I just meant to be nice too :)

I think everyone here has an awesome system

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I think everyone have a pc for it needs :toast:
No.. mine is excessive for my needs. I really don’t need that much. But I am about to buy a Dark Hero because I am an idiot. My kids can have my 5600X and Strix B550.
 
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Cry me a river i work sometimes with some sort of machines and dont need my pc as an expander:


Amada 220-3 release price 324 000 DOLLAR without Taxes:p

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Its a dirty old machine but it workes greatst between machinist and maschine i luve her the old grand lady :)
its now about 30 years old :)

The machine weights about 56 tonns but its very handfull and make what u programm them :D (mostly)
 
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The home for most of the newest purchases, including itself Only thing "compact" about the Define Compact is depth. It's both taller and wider than any of my "classic" ATX mid-towers. It's not exactly what I was looking for, but they don't make that anymore. 10700K is pretty badass for what I paid, but won't overclock for $h!+ without power consumption going bananas. 1060 and Z590 do their jobs, much like the rest of the components. 1060 could do with idle fan stop, though. I really like the Shadow Rock 3. The screwdriver it includes is even pretty darn good. Not much to say about the Fractal fans yet, but I'm not terribly impressed with the P120; seems to vibrate audibly when spun up.

i7 9700K on an MSI Z370-A PRO with an RX 470 8GB. 128 GB M8Pe and 1TB FireCuda. bequiet! Pure Rock 2, 2X Arctic F9, Noctua NF-P12 Redux keep things cool. Antec Sonata Solo keeps things attached to the EVGA 550 G3. Not much to say about any of this except the 470, Sonata and P12. The 470 (a Sapphire) has to have the most overspec'ed cooler I've ever seen. I can't even get it to hit 70C before the OC goes unstable. Noctua gets a bunch of grief about being overrated, but I've never been as impressed out of the box by a fan. It's quiet, effective, and somehow just "feels" well-made. There are more Redux fans in my future. I could write many words about the Solo, but will only say that if Antec had continued to iterate on the design, they'd have created the Define before Fractal. Even now, the Solo is better in certain respects (IMO).

X5670 strapped to an X58 Sabertooth by a Hyper 212 EVO (but note the Cougar fan). HD 5750 provides video. 4X 2TB HDDs in RAID10, 1X 4TB HDD as mirror, 120 GB SSD for OS. 2X Arctic F12 intake fans and another 550 G3 round out the occupants of the FreeGeek-sourced Thermaltake case. I think this board actually came out of the NZXT case below. I ended up with it as part of a Craigslist buy that was supposed to be just a keyboard. Originally an i7 950, I eBay'ed a Xeon because why not? Machine's intended purpose is as a video dump for a convention I staff. It crunches in its spare time at an almost-entirely-stable 3.8GHz/75-80C. Sometimes the UI locks and I don't know why. Could be because I've got RAM in a channel the seller flagged as faulty. :D

Another X5670 on a re-purposed Alienware Aurora R1 board beneath a Hyper 212 Plus. GTX 660 and GT 1030 for extra crunching power (kinda). WD10EZEX is its only drive. A 120mm Cougar joins the two stock NZXT fans, along with an EVGA 450 W3 in the from-who-knows-where NZXT chassis. Aurora was free from a coworker. Chassis is ridiculously unwieldy, so I transplanted the guts. Also ditched the 120 AIO and resold the R9 280 (mistaaaake). Original i7 920 (watercooled at stock clocks? WTF, AW?) got booted for the Xeon at the same time as the other. GT 1030 was just hanging around, and the 660 came in as part of a hardware swap. Both crunch poorly these days, if I'm honest. Xeon's not much better, but the bonus heat the team produces is appreciated in winter.

Xeon E5450 on my treasured P5Q-SE PLUS with an HD 5450 for video output. Intel copper-slug CPU cooler plus an Arctic F8 and 80mm Enermax. 1X 2TB and 2X 1TB make a 4TB spanned volume which is (for now) backed up on a 3TB (yes, I know) external drive. Powered by an EVGA 400 N1 in my also-treasured Superpower Zephyr enclosure. Did the Xeon mod back when Yorkfield C2Qs were still expensive, and C2Ds had stopped cutting the mustard. MB earns treasured status not by being an amazing performer, but for faultless service. It's hardly had a day off since 2008(9?). Likewise the case, but since 1998(!). It's compact. It's sturdy. The 80+80mm classic fan setup can even handle a 6600K@4.2 plus an R9 270. Probably even more than that. I seem to be missing a 3.5 cover, though (but I somehow still have all the slot covers!) This build just got tranferred into it because I pulled the 9700K rig out cuz I'd swapped the 10700K into the Solo that the 9700K had been in until the Define came in and I can't bear to mothball it. Got all that?
 
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Hi,
Wow nice but I lost count at 8-90 degree fittings did I miss any :eek:
 
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Hi,
Looks nice as is sure not worth draining for that one fitting

I like my barb, soft tubing octopus's all 10-16 as well but mayhems x1 clear fluid :cool:
 

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Hi,
Flow baby ! comes in handy pushing cooling to the limits plus helps with my mora 360 rads hooked up
Not so much needed anymore limits have been found and no new hardware around worth buying or really wasting money on, gpu's mainly.
 

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Hi,
Flow baby ! comes in handy pushing cooling to the limits plus helps with my mora 360 rads hooked up
Not so much needed anymore limits have been found and no new hardware around worth buying or really wasting money on, gpu's mainly.

That is a lot of tubing lol

D5 pumps are pretty good, don't really need mine higher than about 2700.
 
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That is a lot of tubing lol

D5 pumps are pretty good, don't really need mine higher than about 2700.
Hi,
All except one d5 is pwm but I don't connect it to the board just let it run full blast

Yep I buy by the foot not 10 foot packages
Best local tubing and price I've run across although shipping cost usually sux but they at times advertise on amazon with better terms.
 
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My fluid is deionised water with XSPC EC6 protect and XSPC EC6 colour blood red.

My tubing is EK Water Blocks EK-DuraClear 9.5 / 15.9mm
 
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Hi,
Yeah I'm off ek stuff/ color personally except a gpu water block maybe.
Otherwise been there, done that applies :laugh:
 
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I just like red/black. I don't mind EK, would probably get something else next time, though the rads are ok.
Hi,
Fittings wise ek just started using brass and coating that with whatever finish
But before it was ek special sauce metal and flaking nickle issues for me so never again.

Color wise they just stain to much so color tubing makes more sense to me now days but I'm old I guess :)
 
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Fittings wise ek just started using brass and coating that with whatever finish
But before it was ek special sauce metal and flaking nickle issues for me so never again.

Color wise they just stain to much so color tubing makes more sense to me now days but I'm old I guess :)

Well no stains from this at all yet.

What fittings are you using now? these are barrow to save cost, EK compressions are so expensive.
 
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Well no stains from this at all yet.

What fittings are you using now? these are barrow to save cost, EK compressions are so expensive.
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Ocool only ones that come with extra o-rings some are brass some are brass/ nickle plated what ever was on sell at the time lost count how many I have on three rigs lol

I don't like rotary fittings just doubles the chance of a leak but yes most expensive is bitspower and most popular
Think barrow is good for basic fittings
 
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Hi,
Ocool only ones that come with extra o-rings some are brass some are brass/ nickle plated what ever was on sell at the time lost count how many I have on three rigs lol

I don't like rotary fittings just doubles the chance of a leak but yes most expensive is bitspower and most popular
Think barrow is good for basic fittings

Are extra rings needed with compressions? I would not us rotary's if i did not have to. I suppose i could do without and have a octo loop too kind of :p
 
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When it comes to fittings, I used the cheapest ones I could find (I think they were 1-ish euro a piece), 10-11 years later still not leaking.

I miss the times, where "non-clean" case designs were common.
Maybe at some point this trend will return.
 

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I just did mine for the best loop run with no crossed pipes, though i know loop order makes no difference.
 
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