AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D

[nicamarvin]

Nope, as I said, let's talk again in a few days

I just downloaded the Driver and there were no reference for a 5800X3D Optimizer Driver.

 

[Shou Miko]

@W1zzard I heard @buildzoid point out a lot that X570 won't boot if base clock is over 100Mhz many times and that's why he recommends B550 instead of this maybe it's time to test with B550 instead than?

Great review as always it makes me want to go back to AM4 so badly

 

[W1zzard]

and there were no reference for a 5800X3D

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you are joking, right? did you read the changelog?

 

[nicamarvin]

you are joking, right? did you read the changelog?

No, I was hoping you post that here?

 

[Izzy1985]

No, I was hoping you post that here?

Gigabyte has officially released a new AMD Chipset driver (4.03.03.624) to some of its motherboards, adding support for a new sub-driver designed specifically for the Ryzen 7 5800X3D. Gigabyte lists this driver as the "AMD 3D V-Cache Performance Optimizer Driver" in the release notes, and it is only intended for Windows 10 users.

It's important to note that these drivers come directly from Gigabyte, as AMD has not officially released chipset driver 4.03.03.624 to its support page just yet.

The in-depth details about AMD's new "V-Cache optimizer" remain a complete mystery, with Gigabyte's new driver being the only relevant source to its existence.

Source: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/v-cache-optimizer-driver-for-5800x-3d

 

[InVasMani]

Wonder what happens with the 1% low's for just the RTRT titles when enabled/disabled and what implications that might have in regard to stronger RTRT hardware on newer generations of GPU's. It appears from a glance that RTRT titles have a less immediate upside to the 3D stacked cache or at least currently, but suspect that's mostly due to current GPU hardware's RTRT fixed function hardware being the bigger limitation factor perhaps.

 

[Izzy1985]

Gigabyte has officially released a new AMD Chipset driver (4.03.03.624) to some of its motherboards, adding support for a new sub-driver designed specifically for the Ryzen 7 5800X3D. Gigabyte lists this driver as the "AMD 3D V-Cache Performance Optimizer Driver" in the release notes, and it is only intended for Windows 10 users.

It's important to note that these drivers come directly from Gigabyte, as AMD has not officially released chipset driver 4.03.03.624 to its support page just yet.

The in-depth details about AMD's new "V-Cache optimizer" remain a complete mystery, with Gigabyte's new driver being the only relevant source to its existence.

Source: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/v-cache-optimizer-driver-for-5800x-3d

However, AMD has stated that the 3D V-Cache is transparent to the operating system and programs; it simply appears as one large L3 cache. As such, it will only require a BIOS update for existing motherboards. That makes the existence of this new Gigabyte driver a head-scratcher.

It's even stranger that this driver is exclusive to Windows 10, which either confirms that AMD has partnered with Microsoft to bring this driver natively to Windows 11, or this driver doesn't control the L3 cache at all.

 

[sparkyyy]

CSGO should never be tested in terms of averages, every PC can get a high framerate with that. I wanted to see the 1% lows :////

 

[nicamarvin]

Gigabyte has officially released a new AMD Chipset driver (4.03.03.624) to some of its motherboards, adding support for a new sub-driver designed specifically for the Ryzen 7 5800X3D. Gigabyte lists this driver as the "AMD 3D V-Cache Performance Optimizer Driver" in the release notes, and it is only intended for Windows 10 users.

It's good for Windows 11 too. I have the screenshots of that. let me find it.

 

[Shatun_Bear]

Not the best possible memory for Ryzen (latencies other than CL quite poor), and no information about either single or dual rank (which may have a big impact).
Alder Lake has about the best DDR5 memory money can buy.
Ryzen:
2x 16 GB DDR4-3600
16-20-20-34 1T
Infinity Fabric @ 1800 MHz 1:1

Alder Lake:
2x 16 GB G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB DDR5-6000
36-36-36-76 2T / Gear 2

Yeah I just noticed that. How much does that Alder Lake kit cost? That's some of the best memory money can buy.

 

[phanbuey]

Super promising for 3D Cache zen 4

the alder lake kit isn't that expensive compared to other DDR 5 prices - it's a $400 kit of 32GB

 

[nicamarvin]

This is What Gigabyte are listing as 3D V Cache Optimizer Driver. It's good for Windows 10 and Windows 11.

 

[tussinman]

Very impressive. Not sure why they are stealth launching this, it matches or beats the limited ediition behemoth power guzzling 12900KS for a much, much lower price.

Low stock maybe?

Low stock plus reality is if you can spend $450 on a CPU like it's nothing then you most likely already own a CPU within 4-10% of it anyways ($450 would be better invested in Zen 4)

 

[Izzy1985]

AMD should have locked only the voltage to 1.35v and let owners test their silicone to see what kind of all core OCs we could achieve. At 1.35v and all core of 4.6 or 4.7 should be easily attainable.

 

[buildzoid]

you need to use B550 or A520 for BCLK overclocking. The X570 chipset pretty much stops working with the BCLK above 101MHz.

 

[Izzy1985]

This is What Gigabyte are listing as 3D V Cache Optimizer Driver. It's good for Windows 10 and Windows 11.

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Hmmm..... screenshot from TPU article 6 days ago.

you need to use B550 or A520 for BCLK overclocking. The X570 chipset pretty much stops working with the BCLK above 101MHz.

Have you confirmed this isn't locked out for the 5800x3d?

 

[Vecix6]

Non-game benchmarks shows not good results so, in which scenarios would be good those new Milan-X CPUs?

 

[W1zzard]

in which scenarios would be good those new Milan-X CPUs?

Milan-X will be awesome with your own specific workloads, for which you own the source code. You can reconfigure the cache in several ways, to hand-tune it to your application, and hand-tune your application to it.

 

[nicamarvin]

Non-game benchmarks shows not good results so, in which scenarios would be good those new Milan-X CPUs?

Fluid Dynamics Simulation has shown up to 80% Performance Boost.

 

[msimax]

Nice review but on the memory side everyone knows you atleast want 16-16-16 with AMD hell gskill has 14-14-14 kits that's always available, This will be AMD top gaming performance chip currently and to handcuff it with that ram spec, Alderlake already has a bandwidth advantage running ddr5 6000 cas 36.

Also if it doesn't oc in bios maybe software apps can be tested to bclk it up in steps to check for instability

 

[nicamarvin]

Hmmm..... screenshot from TPU article 6 days ago.

This one?

I downloaded the driver and open the .txt readme. which I had issues with the MSI MB that TPU review was done...

 

[David Fallaha]

cite: [...]

Quick Word on voltages – AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D​

As you saw, I rushed a little more than I do than regular reviews so data is being added through the day. Someone did ask me about OC and while we found out that a lot of AMD OC menu is locked up (no Curve Optimizer) it made me wonder about voltage behavior in single thread and multi thread situation.

Hence run a Cinebench R23 run (in both scenarios) and the CPU behaves way different than a Zen 3 non 3D V-CACHE CPU.

According to GIGABYTE ITE sensor and SVI2 TFN, VCore in CBR23 single core test, it is running at 1.20-1.218~ VCore during the test. That is way lower than most Zen 3 chips, which favor high voltage to keep high boost while there’s single core loads.

Meanwhile, at CBR23 multi-core test, VCore is actually higher, with 1.248ish volts. Zen 3 with 3D V-CACHE, in this retail sample, behaves differently from regular Zen 3 CPUs.
[...]
source: https://xanxogaming.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-review-the-last-gaming-gift-for-am4/

thanks, appreciate the schedule, look forward to perhaps some more data with proper RAM...feels a little unfair to give Intel one of the fastest RAM kits on the market but limit Ryzen to 3600C16, no? Or given the ludicrous power numbers perhaps some FPS/watt?

Nice review but on the memory side everyone knows you atleast want 16-16-16 with AMD hell gskill has 14-14-14 kits that's always available, This will be AMD top gaming performance chip currently and to handcuff it with that ram spec, Alderlake already has a bandwidth advantage running ddr5 6000 cas 36.

Also if it doesn't oc in bios maybe software apps can be tested to bclk it up in steps to check for instability

Completely agree, this is a pretty major drawback of the review but can hopefully be fixed soon

Super promising for 3D Cache zen 4

the alder lake kit isn't that expensive compared to other DDR 5 prices - it's a $400 kit of 32GB

hmm DDR5 kit ~$600 in UK vs ~$250 for DDR43600C16 -in fact you can get 32GB 4000Mhz+ DDR4 for ~$300

Patriot Viper Steel 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-35200C19 4400MHz Dual Channel Kit (PVS416G440C9K) | OcUK (overclockers.co.uk)

 

[Denver]

Very interesting, but I guess I won't be getting this since the improvement at 4K just doesn't matter over my existing 5800x.

Maybe it makes a difference with GPUs 2x faster than current ones?

 

[David Fallaha]

Not the best possible memory for Ryzen (latencies other than CL quite poor), and no information about either single or dual rank (which may have a big impact).
Alder Lake has about the best DDR5 memory money can buy.
Ryzen:
2x 16 GB DDR4-3600
16-20-20-34 1T
Infinity Fabric @ 1800 MHz 1:1

Alder Lake:
2x 16 GB G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB DDR5-6000
36-36-36-76 2T / Gear 2

Yep can get 4000Mhz+ low latency DDR4 for half the price of the Intel kit here...
Patriot Viper Steel 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-35200C19 4400MHz Dual Channel Kit (PVS416G440C9K) | OcUK (overclockers.co.uk)

I'm underwhelmed for the price. With the exception of a few odd ducks, it's less than 10% faster than 5800x for 20% more cost.

Er no, once it's given proper fast RAM and the BIOS/driver update it will be the fastest gaming chip on the planet at *half* the power of the toaster 12900K for 2/3 the price...

 

[Airisom]

Realistically speaking, 16gbx2 3600 cl14 is the best kit for Ryzen unless you have an imc that can handle more. A little cheaper as well versus the 6000 cl36 kits out there.