AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D

[NicklasAPJ]

In Denmark this is a hard CPU to sell.

You can get 12900KF for 479 Euro, and 5800X for 363 Euro, that means the 5800X3D will cost the same with fewer cores...

 

[xenocide]

TLDR: not a single argument for 5800X3D outside of some very specific games at very unsual resolutions.

This is like, the coldest of takes. This isn't a CPU intended to be an upgrade from someone using a 5800X or equivalent CPU. It's a final upgrade for people using a 2xxx or even 1xxx series CPU so they can go a few years longer without having to rebuild their entire PC. The performance is there, and in that regard it achieves its goal.

 

[The King]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1514063342440116229

 

[Antonis_35]

Thank you for the very thorough and informative review. Personally I will wait a few weeks before I decide whether I will upgrade to this CPU, to avoid the perils of the early adopter.

 

[chrcoluk]

Got a friend getting this who will test on Lightning Returns. For those who don't know that game is like the ultimate test for a cpu, as its single threaded and has big optimisation issues, constantly flushing and reloading textures with massive stutters in certain areas. After he tests will report back on if it helps a lot.

 

[thunderingroar]

DDR5 has shown to be slower than DDR4 in regards to gaming.

Thats not true for high end DDR5 like the 6000cl36 one used in this test

 

[Denver]

Can you start a new thread with ideas? I definitely want to add something like this in the next rebench


Will definitely be included in next rebench, just too complicated to add this now for 30 CPUs.

I've been recording gaming power already for a few months to get a feel for it, don't take this as gospel and rather consider it experimental and preliminary:
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That's exactly what I thought when I read your first statement, could be language differences

Yes, Add more games please, and it should also remove games like CS GO as the framerate is so out of line with everything else.

 

[529th]

Is it possible to add in the 1% lows and those types of numbers?

 

[Aquinus]

Nowhere in my posts on TPU I've ever trolled or wasted anyone's time.

I beg to differ. You waste people's time both here and over on the Phoronix forums too. You've created quite a reputation for yourself. Either way, why would we test this against Broadwell when absolutely nothing in this review is that old? That's one example of how you are trolling and wasting our time because nobody is going to buy a broadwell chip now. The comparison would be strictly for you.

 

[efikkan]

And Raptor Lake is built on existing Intel 7 node (10 nm), whereas Zen 4 is N5 (5 nm). If 5800X3D is a ~10% gaming perf uplift over Zen 3, the expectation from Zen4 will be set at 25% over Zen 3, which is about 10-15% above Alder Lake. Good luck to Intel trying to get there on existing node.

Are you talking about 25% performance uplift in general or 25% performance uplift in gaming (average)?
The latter will be virtually impossible as most games aren't significantly CPU bottlenecked unless you run them at unrealistically low resolutions.

It depends a lot of what games prefer, many games love cache (BL3 and FC), some love latency (FC), some love bandwith (Cyberpunk, Total war), some love cores (RSS) some like everything (SOTTR).

I have never seen a developer intending to write code to love cache or love frequency.
If you wanted to write code to love cache, you would have to write bloated code or de-optimize existing code. Cache sensitivity, especially L3, is often regarded as a symptom of lack of optimization and bloated code.
Any coder should want to make their code scalable with CPU performance, so if the code scales with e.g. frequency it's an indicator of better code (or in your terms "loves" frequency ).

Personally I will wait a few weeks before I decide whether I will upgrade to this CPU, to avoid the perils of the early adopter.

It's not a new platform or a new basic die, so the only thing to watch out for is whether the assembly of the extra cache is unproblematic.

 

[JustBenching]

Can you start a new thread with ideas? I definitely want to add something like this in the next rebench


Will definitely be included in next rebench, just too complicated to add this now for 30 CPUs.

I've been recording gaming power already for a few months to get a feel for it, don't take this as gospel and rather consider it experimental and preliminary:
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That's exactly what I thought when I read your first statement, could be language differences

System consumption during gaming is a little bit useless. If x cpu drives a gpu harder then it will shows as higher system consumption when it's just the gpu being pushed harder / getting more fps. Cpu power consumption would be more informative imo

 

[Garrus]

0.6%? OMG. A FAT CONCLUSIVE WIN.

Birdie, you are intentionally not paying attention. It's a win against the most expensive CPU you can buy. $450 versus $800 or whatever.

It's an extra $100 over the 5800X, but massively improves the gaming performance, the main reason people upgrade from the 12600k to the 12900ks, do you not understand why people spend an extra $550 doing that? $100 versus $550 for the same gaming improvements.

So now you'll save more than $700 USD getting DDR4 3600 C14 (please Wizzard, those sticks cost $130 USD on Newegg, buy a pair and compare) with a 5800X3D instead of buying the 12900KS with $400 DDR5, and get the same gaming FPS on average. Then you save $100+ on the motherboard too. It's fantastic especially for people like my excited brother that has a 5 year old X370 sitting on the shelf. Can you find an almost free or $50 motherboard for your 12900ks that can handle 300W? Because of the ~150W used by the 5800X3D, cheap normal tower coolers works with it, you've saved another $50-$150 dollars and you don't have to worry about VRMs overheating on your motherboard.

I could go on. Do you not understand, or do you not want to understand? It might just be 0.6%, but it is ~$800 all in cheaper for the same gaming performance, with none of the pain of cooling 300W.

If you don't get it, let others buy it. More for me.

For me, the very first time I got irritated by a CPU bottleneck was playing Borderlands 3. It was fixed for Tiny Tina, but Borderlands 3 being fixed by the Ryzen 5800X3D is perfect for me. If that is a game you like, you'll love this CPU. I don't care about counter strike yikes.

 

[Denver]

Are you talking about 25% performance uplift in general or 25% performance uplift in gaming (average)?
The latter will be virtually impossible as most games aren't significantly CPU bottlenecked unless you run them at unrealistically low resolutions.


I have never seen a developer intending to write code to love cache or love frequency.
If you wanted to write code to love cache, you would have to write bloated code or de-optimize existing code. Cache sensitivity, especially L3, is often regarded as a symptom of lack of optimization and bloated code.
Any coder should want to make their code scalable with CPU performance, so if the code scales with e.g. frequency it's an indicator of better code (or in your terms "loves" frequency ).


It's not a new platform or a new basic die, so the only thing to watch out for is whether the assembly of the extra cache is unproblematic.

25-30% in overall IPC.

I believe CPUs will be important even at 4K with new GPUs being 2x faster boosting framerates to the moon.

 

[Pastuch]

Yes, certain games show great uplifts even at higher resolutions. Borderlands 3, Far Cry 5. But some games show almost zero uplift, and they aren't GPU bound - RDR2 for instance.

I feel like everyone, including Wizard, is missing the point… Based on the numbers this could be the best Battle Royale cpu ever made. There are millions of pc gamers that exclusively play BR games and spend a fortune on the hardware to do it. Yet, no one tested Apex, Warzone, or Halo (br was just announced).

 

[Dr. Dro]

Given the sheer amount of hype surrounding this processor I frankly expected more. It basically closes the gap with the 5950X in games, outperforms it in a few by... up to 7.5%? And it gets spanked by the regular 5800X everywhere else...

It's not a bad chip but, it's not a $450 processor in this day and age. For $350, AMD would have a winner here.

I feel like everyone, including Wizard, is missing the point… Based on the numbers this could be the best Battle Royale cpu ever made. There are millions of pc gamers that exclusively play BR games and spend a fortune on the hardware to do it. Yet, no one tested Apex, Warzone, or Halo (br was just announced).

I don't think this CPU will be significantly better than the others at Apex. I'm clearly GPU bottlenecked with 5950X + 3090.

 

[ARF]

Given the sheer amount of hype surrounding this processor I frankly expected more. It basically closes the gap with the 5950X in games, outperforms it in a few by... up to 7.5%? And it gets spanked by the regular 5800X everywhere else...

It's not a bad chip but, it's not a $450 processor in this day and age. For $350, AMD would have a winner here.

Even 350 is too much. This is 2020 performance level and Ryzen Zen 4 new generation is coming soon.
You can just hold the purchase to see the new generation.

 

[InVasMani]

How's this for an "up to"?
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That's a 43% gain over the 5800X, and at a resolution that can be GPU-limited for every graphics card priced under $1000.

The things is a lot of the other games tested had RTRT and I get the feeling that the GPU is the biggest limitation on those. If disable the RTRT settings in those other titles I bet things start looking more favorable for those titles as well for the cache. If that is the case it simply means newer GPU architectures will better leverage the cache down the road.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Even 350 is too much. This is 2020 performance level and Ryzen Zen 4 new generation is coming soon.
You can just hold the purchase to see the new generation.

I mean, it is fairly competitive with the i7-12700K, though I would not really call it a winner over that processor (it's not a decisive win wherever it does win, and it's a decisive loss elsewhere). The i9-12900K is ahead, as are the Ryzen 9 chips. It's... just that, a performance segment processor that is built around some genuinely interesting, new technology, at the same time it's got the drawbacks of the existing technology that serves as its foundation. $350 would be fine, $450 is just really steep, but I do not expect many of these will be made anyway. It's a last salvo for AM4, and a showcase of their future tech.

The way I see it, it's a beta product, kind of like the R9 Fury X was a beta for HBM GPUs. There is a future here, but there is also a long road to walk through yet.

 

[ARF]

I mean, it is fairly competitive with the i7-12700K, though I would not really call it a winner over that processor (it's not a decisive win wherever it does win, and it's a decisive loss elsewhere). The i9-12900K is ahead, as are the Ryzen 9 chips. It's... just that, a performance segment processor that is built around some genuinely interesting, new technology, at the same time it's got the drawbacks of the existing technology that serves as its foundation. $350 would be fine, $450 is just really steep, but I do not expect many of these will be made anyway. It's a last salvo for AM4, and a showcase of their future tech.

The way I see it, it's a beta product, kind of like the R9 Fury X was a beta for HBM GPUs. There is a future here, but there is also a long road to walk through yet.

Yes, this is what I am saying too.
Regarding HBM, I think AMD gave up on this for the gaming products. It uses now third level cache called Infinity cache in order to offset the lower memory throughputs.

 

[laszlo]

even if AM4 will reach eol soon i think AMD make it on purpose just to show Intel what to expect in near future...

considering the current electricity prices, which won't go down only higher... it needs only ~50% of what the 12900ks is consuming....this a remarkable achievement looking the fps output!

great job AMD !!

 

[Dr. Dro]

Yes, this is what I am saying too.
Regarding HBM, I think AMD gave up on this for the gaming products. It uses now third level cache called Infinity cache in order to offset the lower memory throughputs.

They did, yes. But they also made three generations of HBM hardware since the Fury, it just became unsustainable for the consumer market due to high costs and not because the tech sucks

 

[btk2k2]

even if AM4 will reach eol soon i think AMD make it on purpose just to show Intel what to expect in near future...

considering the current electricity prices, which won't go down only higher... it needs only ~50% of what the 12900ks is consuming....this a remarkable achievement looking the fps output!

great job AMD !!

I think AM4 will last for a good while yet. I expect AM5 + Zen 4 + DDR5 to be an expensive platform so AMD can use AM4 to offer more budget options.

 

[Cowboystrekk]

Are you talking about 25% performance uplift in general or 25% performance uplift in gaming (average)?
The latter will be virtually impossible as most games aren't significantly CPU bottlenecked unless you run them at unrealistically low resolutions.


I have never seen a developer intending to write code to love cache or love frequency.
If you wanted to write code to love cache, you would have to write bloated code or de-optimize existing code. Cache sensitivity, especially L3, is often regarded as a symptom of lack of optimization and bloated code.
Any coder should want to make their code scalable with CPU performance, so if the code scales with e.g. frequency it's an indicator of better code (or in your terms "loves" frequency ).


It's not a new platform or a new basic die, so the only thing to watch out for is whether the assembly of the extra cache is unproblematic.

Of course they don't write code for cache etc, but different game engines scale differently. Geometry, shaders etc matters for what a game utilizes. Engine used for Total war and Cyberpunk loves BW and performs excellent with DDR5 due to this, engine used in FC5 and 6 uses mostly 1 tread and performs very good on Alder lake due to high IPC etc.

 

[Pastuch]

Can you start a new thread with ideas? I definitely want to add something like this in the next rebench

Want to generate insane page clicks and draw a massive different audience to TPU? Call the next piece you write on the 5800x3d something along the lines of "Best Warzone and Apex Legends CPU" then compare it to the 12900ks. Do the testing with dual rank Bdie at 3600c14 on both platforms at 1080p and 1440p (None of us use 4k). People like me don't play anything that isn't a BR, we wake up EVERY SINGLE DAY and play Kovaaks aim trainer for at least 30 minutes, then lock in to no-life Battle Royale games. If I'm not sweating, I'm not having fun. Warzone is begging for the 5800x3d tests, you wouldn't believe how many youtube content creators have built careers off of sweat lords trying to squeeze 5 more frames out of their CPU for Warzone. I've been overclocking CPUs for 20 years but Warzone forced me spend 50 hours working on mastering Bdie subtimings to get my AIDA memory latency on Ryzen down to 53.4ns with 4 dimms.

I play with an army of guys that have spent over $3000 each on just Warzone hardware since the game came out. Maintaining 200+ FPS in Warzone is a right of passage in the overclocking community. At present, no Ryzen chips compare to a 12900k in Warzone, no matter how low you get your memory latency and no matter how high you push your boost clocks maintaining a minimum of 200 FPS in that game at 1080P is almost impossible on Ryzen. Test Warzone in the Port area of Caldera, it eats CPUs for breakfast.

If the 5800x3d can do 250fps with 220fps lows in Warzone I would happily pay $600 USD for it. There are hundreds of millions of "BR ONLY" gamers, I genuinely suspect the 5800x3d was made for us.

 

[FarukPehlione]

Gaming performance of this processor looks really good, no doubt about it. I am currently using the Ryzen 5 1600 AF model. I have a question in mind. I want to play games and broadcast live. In this case I want to use the processor to broadcast live. As I am using the processor, there will be an FPS drop. Which processor would you buy now? Ryzen 7 5800X3D? Or is it the 12 Core Ryzen 9 5900X? I'm really undecided, I want you to give me advice.