Which GPU for moderate video editing, streaming and gaming should I go for now that "everything" is sold out? Budget: about €600/$650

[winterwonderland]

Dear TPU'ers! I am in need of some advise(s) once again... Based on my current setup (see my specs list), do you have any GPU recommendations that will do an OK / good enough job when it comes to video editing, live streaming and gaming on a moderate level? And by moderate level, I mean that I do not need to run games on highest settings, I do need a video to be rendered in a record pace. I can easily survive with moderate settings.

My budget level is somewhere around €600/$650. I can maybe stretch to €650/$700. Despite that I am a noob when it comes to this, I do understand that with my budget, I cannot expect overly much, but I still hope there are still some GPU's that are worth to take a look at.

I should also mention that I do not desperately need a GPU "right now", so I can definitely wait while I scout for some good GPU deals. I just need to know which GPU's to be on the lookout for that'd both fill my mentioned needs and obviously one that'll fit inside my case. I have tried looking for a GPU for a while now, but all the GPU's from the various reviews I've come across that are suitable for me, are all sold out. And if I manage to find the recommended GPU's, they are priced well over my budget. Is used market the way to go these days, perhaps? Like always, I am located in Norway, so we have our own used market-bonanza here that works really well when it comes to reliable sellers (bought several of my current specs from those 'reliable sellers', and it's working like a charm).

So, do you have any suggestions/recommendations for GPU's that'll suit my needs? Or will my current GPU still work well enough for those purposes that I do not need an upgrade just yet..?

 

[X71200]

You can wait a bit for the 6650 XT and pick that up before it goes OOS, it won't do all forms of video editing as well as Nvidia, but it's going to outperform a 3060 easily. Could use CPU for the edits.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

I, of course get USA stock and pricing but this may work for you - https://www.newegg.com/asrock-radeo...&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-NA3cff2qruruNe93IdvYXg

 

[X71200]

OP, best off post location so we can get better suggestions. They're from EU so ordering over Newegg wouldn't be an actual go.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

Didn't realize that Newegg doesn't work over there. Is PCPartPicker location specific?

 

[X71200]

Yeah, you can pick region from the right top end of the site.

 

[Thimblewad]

Wait for RX refresh and aim for 6700/6750 XT, it should just get into your price bracket and you won't get anything better, NVidia currently is very expensive. Amazon.de lists some 6700 XTs for around 650€.

GPU1 amazon.de

GPU2 amazon.de

GPU3 amazon.de

3070 is more expensive and slower, so no brainer

 

[X71200]

Those are all terribly overpriced. I could find 6600 XT's and the alike for about 300-350 quid, *months* ago. Also the 3070 is not exactly slower for this kind of task. NVENC is ultimately a faster solution regarding streaming and rendering than the AMD HEVC encoder.

 

[Thimblewad]

Those are all terribly overpriced. I could find 6600 XT's and the alike for about 300-350 quid, *months* ago. Also the 3070 is not exactly slower for this kind of task. NVENC is ultimately a faster solution regarding streaming and rendering than the AMD HEVC encoder.

But the GPU prices crashed about a month ago. It is what is it right now. They're still dropping

As far as streaming/recording goes, AMD has improved a lot with the new drivers so you should check that out.
Didn't notice he needs it for rendering also. If you're on Adobe Premiere then I believe Nvidia is the way to go because of GPU accel. support.

 

[X71200]

I know the new drivers are better, but still on the hardware side, Nvidia has stronger decode. It takes a lot of brute-force to beat modern NVENC on 1080p. I tried and failed with my CPU unless the resolution was increased to moon.

 

[Thimblewad]

I know the new drivers are better, but still on the hardware side, Nvidia has stronger decode. It takes a lot of brute-force to beat modern NVENC on 1080p. I tried and failed with my CPU unless the resolution was increased to moon.

Quality is pretty much the same on both. Only differences are in software support for each architecture. My ultrawide recordings from the GPU are perfect (instant replays, and I'm on a VEGA), so I don't know where you got that

 

[X71200]

It's about speed than quality, NVENC is snappier on like every occasion:

 

[Thimblewad]

It's about speed than quality, NVENC is snappier on like every occasion:

It's a two year old video, we need updates on performance figures

I counter you this

Edit: 6900 XT destroys 2080 Ti in both quality and performance. So as I was saying, it's application specific.
Edit2: Also, speed over quality? So quantity over quality? Never.

 

[X71200]

You get a heavier hit with AMD, it's just not as good as NVENC. NVENC almost completely dedicates the encoder portion properly and gets faster results. It doesn't exactly lack quality either. You don't shoot for insane quality when you're streaming, because you're streaming at 1080p. You want lower render times and high performance, which is what NVENC offers.

Also, comparing a 6900 XT to a 2080 Ti is bit of dumb.

It is application specific, but you don't typically use AMD's H265 on streaming sites so it's blunt.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

It depends which codec and software he is using. Video editing is easily the most demanding thing he could be doing with it, and the software can make a drastic difference. DaVinci Resolve is my personal favorite, and it distinctly prefers CUDA over OpenCL. Premiere Pro uses about 85% CPU anyways, so the brand doesn't matter as much.

To be fair, I have used Resolve on a (Intel) 5600U with HD6000... It just works faster with a real computer.

 

[Thimblewad]

You get a heavier hit with AMD, it's just not as good as NVENC. NVENC almost completely dedicates the encoder portion properly and gets faster results. It doesn't exactly lack quality either. You don't shoot for insane quality when you're streaming, because you're streaming at 1080p. You want lower render times and high performance, which is what NVENC offers.

Also, comparing a 6900 XT to a 2080 Ti is bit of dumb.

It is application specific, but you don't typically use AMD's H265 on streaming sites so it's blunt.

You must understand, that if the picture is alredy heavily compressed, it will look shite on stream. Try rendering your own video again with a YT like compressor, you will get blocks everywhere. And sorry for the "unfair" comparison, but it's the only one I found that wasn't 2+ years old.

If he's rendering, having all your files in H265 makes a hell of a differnece if you don't have huge amounts of storage, so it's not something to just throw away, he is talking about editing as well.

 

[X71200]

It's not though. NVENC has certain settings that gives a decent balance of quality and performance. It doesn't compress the stream to such a shitty end that it looks like somebody's 0 viewer stream on a garbage computer.

Like it can go up around 4:4:4 lossless and still maintain good speeds. As an alternative, it has a HEVC mode that pushes quality some further more.

NVENC realistically is better than AMD for Twitch streaming, or similar. You can beat it, but like when the task is rendering high resolution video. CPU is capable of that, for example. Though... why are we still discussing this? It's not like OP can buy a Turing GPU worth some while. They mentioned that they'll do "moderate" of this work, so that Alder Lake chip would do it.

 

[Thimblewad]

It's not though. NVENC has certain settings that gives a decent balance of quality and performance. It doesn't compress the stream to such a shitty end that it looks like somebody's 0 viewer stream on a garbage computer.

Like it can go up around 4:4:4 lossless and still maintain good speeds. As an alternative, it has a HEVC mode that pushes quality some further more.

NVENC realistically is better than AMD for Twitch streaming, or similar. You can beat it, but like when the task is rendering high resolution video. CPU is capable of that, for example. Though... why are we still discussing this? It's not like OP can buy a Turing GPU worth some while. They mentioned that they'll do "moderate" of this work, so that Alder Lake chip would do it.

Returning to my first post when I recommended him a 6700 XT.

 

[X71200]

Returning to my first post when I recommended him a 6700 XT.

I realize that but the cards aren't worth it at that price level. His better bet might be waiting for the new cards, or looking at less common places.

 

[Thimblewad]

Okay, I'll rephrase my first post.

OP if you're not keen on waiting to get a GPU for another 3-4 months because of pricing, availability etc., look at a very well priced RX 6700/6750 XT, they might go down to about 600€, they are 650€ now, so that is in your budget and it's a killer card. If you wanna wait for AT LEAST 3-4 months, then wait for the new generation and make your decision then. But at your price bracket, it is the best you can get for your money, hands down.

And also, as @Count von Schwalbe mentioned, the best results are always achieved via monster CPU.

 

[X71200]

Excuse me but when the 6650 XT will come for less price, paying €650+ for a 6700 XT is absurd. The OP might need to bot or F5 sites a bit, but the 6650 XT will no doubt be a more sensible purchase. Overpaying is dumb, hands down.

 

[Thimblewad]

Already at this moment he is not paying more than 650€ for the card and he's not buying right now. Prices since last week are down 30-40€. I keep an eye on them every day.

Also, 66x0XT and 67x0XT is a completely different performance segment and budget. His budget is 650€, not 450-500€ which I expect the 6650XT to sell at. That means the prices of current GPUs should fall even more, which in end should mean he gets a 6700 XT for about 50-100€ more as a 6650XT, which is then again a no brainer.

And yes, he should DEFINITELY WAIT FOR 6X50 SERIES, because the market is going to change when they drop.

 

[X71200]

That depends, since retailers love to overprice, 6700 XT will likely not be had for the kind of prices you're thinking of. Especially considering they're likely from a 3rd world continent of Europe, from what I'm thinking of.

Even beast CPUs don't beat NV on 1080p quality, heck you can increase that resolution and there are times my CPU is still beaten by my old 2080... I'd suggest you look at performance charts some more. If you still don't believe it, I can benchmark with Bandicam the game of your choice.

 

[Thimblewad]

That depends, since retailers love to overprice, 6700 XT will likely not be had for the kind of prices you're thinking of. Especially considering they're likely from a 3rd world continent of Europe, from what I'm thinking of.

Even beast CPUs don't beat NV on 1080p quality, heck you can increase that resolution and there are times my CPU is still beaten by my old 2080... I'd suggest you look at performance charts some more. If you still don't believe it, I can benchmark with Bandicam the game of your choice.

1. I just gave him 3 direct links to different cards with a max of 20€ shipping to anywhere in Europe and the card is at this time, in his price bracket, please, read what I write xD

2. You're talking about performance/quality. Did you ever try to record an H264 video with a # of dedicated cores from your CPU? It should give you superior quality 100% of the time.

3. When you're doing professional work like this you need your shit to be as high quality as possible while taking the least space as possible. This is counter intuitive with point #2, we need OP to tell us what he does. An hour of uncompressed 1080p video is 500 GB btw

 

[X71200]

1. I just gave him 3 direct links to different cards with a max of 20€ shipping to anywhere in Europe and the card is at this time, in his price bracket, please, read what I write xD

2. You're talking about performance/quality. Did you ever try to record an H264 video with a # of dedicated cores from your CPU? It should give you superior quality 100% of the time.

3. When you're doing professional work like this you need your shit to be as high quality as possible while taking the least space as possible. This is counter intuitive with point #2, we need OP to tell us what he does. An hour of uncompressed 1080p video is 500 GB btw

1) You gave him 3 overpriced Amazon GPUs, none of which were worth the while at their prices.

2) Yes I did, in fact I'm going to do it in a while just to confirm NVENC is faster and doesn't lack quality.

3) He's not doing it professionally and that sounds like an oxymoron.