Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[Mussels]

Thanks, Since i'm using a 5600 I'm guessing old bioses are out of the question. I will just settle with +200 then.

No WHEA errors at 3800C16, I will try to see If i can push Freq up or latencies down.

Thanks for the advice. I'm using the 5600 non-x so the base/boost frequencies are 3.5/4.4. I'm already maxing the +200 at 4.6Ghz multi and single max burst is 4.65Ghz. Just thought I could potentially reach more single thread freq since multi thread freq is so close to it.

I'm a novice when it comes to memory overclocking. Just followed Ryzen DRAM calculator to get these timings so any tips here are much appreciated.

You could ENTER +200, it wouldnt actually go above +200.

Oh i missed that it's the non X, so yeah my clocks are slightly higher than you'd get - but not by much.
Since your ST and MT are so close, you're one of the few situations a static all core OC is a viable idea.

Preferably with the per-CCX overclocking your BIOS should have somewhere, throw in a 46x multi and use VID to set the voltage if you can in the same menu
Using per CCX lets the cores fully sleep with all power saving active, if your BIOS has the options for it. VID is more like a max voltage, so it can still idle lower.
(I have this menu on my x570, my brothers newer aorus x570s is missing the VID option and idles ~15W higher because of it)
I can get 4.6GHz at 1.225V, or 4.45-5.05 with turbo. (In summer i do the 4.6, winter i let it roam free. 40C ambients dont help boost)

 

[Muaadib]

You could ENTER +200, it wouldnt actually go above +200.

Oh i missed that it's the non X, so yeah my clocks are slightly higher than you'd get - but not by much.
Since your ST and MT are so close, you're one of the few situations a static all core OC is a viable idea.

Preferably with the per-CCX overclocking your BIOS should have somewhere, throw in a 46x multi and use VID to set the voltage if you can in the same menu
Using per CCX lets the cores fully sleep with all power saving active, if your BIOS has the options for it. VID is more like a max voltage, so it can still idle lower.
(I have this menu on my x570, my brothers newer aorus x570s is missing the VID option and idles ~15W higher because of it)
I can get 4.6GHz at 1.225V, or 4.45-5.05 with turbo. (In summer i do the 4.6, winter i let it roam free. 40C ambients dont help boost)

Thanks for the insight. If you don't mind me asking, What is the difference between just using CO vs static all core OC? I'm assuming its to set lower voltage and therefore lower temps in the all-core OC?

Which leads me to my next question, If using per CCX OC lets the cores sleep, Couldn't I try to go for a higher OC if temps/stability permit? technically bypassing the PBO +200 limit.

Sorry for the numerous questions. I just find tinkering with new stuff facinating. Thank you for your patience and help.

 

[The King]

Thanks, Since i'm using a 5600 I'm guessing old bioses are out of the question. I will just settle with +200 then.

No WHEA errors at 3800C16, I will try to see If i can push Freq up or latencies down.

Thanks for the advice. I'm using the 5600 non-x so the base/boost frequencies are 3.5/4.4. I'm already maxing the +200 at 4.6Ghz multi and single max burst is 4.65Ghz. Just thought I could potentially reach more single thread freq since multi thread freq is so close to it.

I'm a novice when it comes to memory overclocking. Just followed Ryzen DRAM calculator to get these timings so any tips here are much appreciated.

I'm running the same CPU and RAM here are some of my settings. To get over 4.65 ST you need to use Hydra Hybrid OC.

RAM you can try 3800 CL15 with GDM off or 3800 CL14 with GDM on both pass TM5.

 

[Muaadib]

Thanks for the lovely info. Funny that you mentioned Hydra as I used myself and it got around 4.8Ghz but it kept randomly restarting so I went back to just PBO. I will give it another try and try to match those ram timings. Cheers!

 

[harm9963]

Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 16GB (2 x 8GB) 4000MHz CL 16-16-16-36 UDIMM Low-Latency Gaming Memory Kits - PVS416G400C6K​

Been a week now of testing ,new 32GB RAM is rock steady !

 

[tabascosauz]

Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 16GB (2 x 8GB) 4000MHz CL 16-16-16-36 UDIMM Low-Latency Gaming Memory Kits - PVS416G400C6K​

Been a week now of testing ,new 32GB RAM is rock steady !

If using TM5 remember to run as admin, and use another testing profile. default @ serj is not very effective, and can't get much done in 7 minutes

Lots and lots of room on the B-die - you might be able to run 14-15-15 or 15-15-15 with less VDIMM and end up as fast if not even faster

 

[freeagent]

I was messing around a bit with mine today.. For me SuperPi 32M was the program that would make my computer reboot. Those high clocks it try's to reach.. almost like the latency test in Aida, just a bit heavier. I set the affinity and ran it on each core individually from task manager.. took a little bit of time, but nothing excessive. I haven't run core cycler but pretty sure it would fail.. maybe.. I should try it again some time. I also ran some 3D, some Linpack.. just a little bit of everything..

 

[Mussels]

Weirdly, this last week has been full of idle reboots for my PC. Nothing has changed other than ambient temps tanking.
Lowering RAM to 3600 has stabilised it, i wonder if my IMC, my RAM, or my PSU is dying. (The PSU has made some fun sounds lately)

Thanks for the insight. If you don't mind me asking, What is the difference between just using CO vs static all core OC? I'm assuming its to set lower voltage and therefore lower temps in the all-core OC?

Which leads me to my next question, If using per CCX OC lets the cores sleep, Couldn't I try to go for a higher OC if temps/stability permit? technically bypassing the PBO +200 limit.

Sorry for the numerous questions. I just find tinkering with new stuff facinating. Thank you for your patience and help.

CO is reducing voltages of normal operation, while keeping boost and idle with their normal voltages (with whatever reduction you set)

All core overclock locks it to that one clock speed and voltage all the time.

per CCX overclocking locks load to the one multi and voltage, but allows the cores to sleep. If the BIOS has a VID setting in the per-CCX menu, you can get idle speeds and voltages as well.

 

[The King]

Got delivered yeterday. Overall I'm quiet impressed 8 cores 16 threads in a small package.

 

[Chomiq]

Ok, 5800X is in, any tips?

Currently using the stable 3600 CL14 profile I hijacked from @The King

Any tips for trying 3800?

 

[The King]

Ok, 5800X is in, any tips?

Currently using the stable 3600 CL14 profile I hijacked from @The King


Any tips for trying 3800?

REV. E can run very high 4000+ however 3800 would be the best has above that you would probably lose overall peformance.

Have you tried 1.45V and RCD @ 17 with your 3600 CL14?

For 3800 increase RCDRD to 19/20 TCL to 16. Try to see if that will boot at 1.45V. 3800 CL14 you may need 1.48-1.5V. Also drop both SCLs to 4 if its stable then drop to 3s.

 

[Chomiq]

REV. E can run very high 4000+ however 3800 would be the best has above that you would probably lose overall peformance.

Have you tried 1.45V and RCD @ 17 with your 3600 CL14?

For 3800 increase RCDRD to 19/20 TCL to 16. Try to see if that will boot at 1.45V. 3800 CL14 you may need 1.48-1.5V. Also drop both SCLs to 4 if its stable then drop to 3s.

How about going for 3800 CL16?

Edit.
Staying on 3600 CL14 for now, don't want to mess with troubleshooting 3800.
I've set pbo to 95/60/90 based on Mussels guide and it's boosting nicely to 4850 when gaming.

 

[QuietBob]

I already mentioned this in another thread but will also post a link here for more publicity:

How to undervolt AMD RYZEN 5800X3D: Guide with PBO2 Tuner

This helpful guide details how to enable and automate curve optimization on the 5800X3D, which is otherwise impossible. It will result in lower temperatures overall and higher boosting clocks in multicore loads. In my case it brought maximum temp down by 9c, from the already low 85c. All core clocks went up by 150 MHz during a 30 minute Cinebench R23 loop with 25c room ambient.

 

[The King]

12900K got wrecked!

 

[QuietBob]

12900K got wrecked!
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And people say moar cores make a faster CPU. Nope, it's the clock that kills!

 

[HD64G]

Weirdly, this last week has been full of idle reboots for my PC. Nothing has changed other than ambient temps tanking.
Lowering RAM to 3600 has stabilised it, i wonder if my IMC, my RAM, or my PSU is dying. (The PSU has made some fun sounds lately)




CO is reducing voltages of normal operation, while keeping boost and idle with their normal voltages (with whatever reduction you set)

All core overclock locks it to that one clock speed and voltage all the time.

per CCX overclocking locks load to the one multi and voltage, but allows the cores to sleep. If the BIOS has a VID setting in the per-CCX menu, you can get idle speeds and voltages as well.

Usually unstable RAM or undervolting causes that behaviour but since your RAM's clock decrease worked to make it stable it is profound that RAM was pushed too far. Glad you found the root of that fast enough.

 

[Muaadib]

After some messing around using Hydra, got 4.8 ST and 4.65 MT. Core#5 is my weakest link but i'm satisfied with the results/temps so I will just stop here for now.
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Tried to play with RAM timings a bit but I always got errors in memtest. Will try again sometime in the future.

 

[The King]

After some messing around using Hydra, got 4.8 ST and 4.65 MT. Core#5 is my weakest link but i'm satisfied with the results/temps so I will just stop here for now.
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Tried to play with RAM timings a bit but I always got errors in memtest. Will try again sometime in the future.

Sometimes lowering the -30 cores to -29/28/27 etc can increase the boost clock.

Try to keep the two best C0 cores at the same Boost clock if possible. Did you enable CPCC in the BIOS?

Since your temps are low EDC limit can be increased to 110A.

 

[P4-630]

Maybe old news, not sure​

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Intermittent System Stutter Experienced with fTPM Enabled on Windows® 10 and 11​

Update and Workaround

• Update: Affected PCs will require a motherboard system BIOS (sBIOS) update containing enhanced modules for fTPM interaction with SPIROM. AMD expects that flashable customer sBIOS files to be available starting in early May, 2022. Exact BIOS availability timing for a specific motherboard depends on the testing and integration schedule of your manufacturer. Flashable updates for motherboards will be based on AMD AGESA 1207 (or newer).
• Workaround: As an immediate solution, affected customers dependent on fTPM functionality for Trusted Platform Module support may instead use a hardware TPM (“dTPM”) device for trusted computing. Platform dTPM modules utilize onboard non-volatile memory (NVRAM) that supersedes the TPM/SPIROM interaction described in this article.
  1. COMPATIBILITY: Please check with your system or motherboard manufacturer to ensure that your platform supports add-in dTPM modules before attempting or implementing this workaround.
  2. WARNING: If switching an active system from fTPM to dTPM, it is critical that you disable TPM-backed encryption systems (e.g. BitLocker Drive Encryption) and/or back up vital system data prior to switching TPM devices. You must have full administrative access to the system, or explicit support from your IT administrator if the system is managed. For more information on transferring ownership to a new TPM device, please visit this Microsoft webpage.

https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-410

 

[Chomiq]

Intermittent System Stutter Experienced with fTPM Enabled on Windows® 10 and 11​

Update and Workaround

• Update: Affected PCs will require a motherboard system BIOS (sBIOS) update containing enhanced modules for fTPM interaction with SPIROM. AMD expects that flashable customer sBIOS files to be available starting in early May, 2022. Exact BIOS availability timing for a specific motherboard depends on the testing and integration schedule of your manufacturer. Flashable updates for motherboards will be based on AMD AGESA 1207 (or newer).
• Workaround: As an immediate solution, affected customers dependent on fTPM functionality for Trusted Platform Module support may instead use a hardware TPM (“dTPM”) device for trusted computing. Platform dTPM modules utilize onboard non-volatile memory (NVRAM) that supersedes the TPM/SPIROM interaction described in this article.
  1. COMPATIBILITY: Please check with your system or motherboard manufacturer to ensure that your platform supports add-in dTPM modules before attempting or implementing this workaround.
  2. WARNING: If switching an active system from fTPM to dTPM, it is critical that you disable TPM-backed encryption systems (e.g. BitLocker Drive Encryption) and/or back up vital system data prior to switching TPM devices. You must have full administrative access to the system, or explicit support from your IT administrator if the system is managed. For more information on transferring ownership to a new TPM device, please visit this Microsoft webpage.

https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/faq/pa-410

Luckily I did not bother to leave fTPM on (that way I won't get a "surprise" upgrade to W11).

 

[Mussels]

If you install windows 11 via RUFUS, you dont need fTPM enabled and avoid this entirely

the bug is also fixed in AGESA 1.2.0.7

 

[ratirt]

How about going for 3800 CL16?

Edit.
Staying on 3600 CL14 for now, don't want to mess with troubleshooting 3800.
I've set pbo to 95/60/90 based on Mussels guide and it's boosting nicely to 4850 when gaming.

I got the 5800X and with the flareX 3200Mhz I got to 3800Mhz CL16 no problem 1.35v on mem. It was like 15 min try and boom worked. I will need to check the timings exactly but most of them I left at auto. I wanted to try going 3900 or 4000 even but did not have time. Plus I'm seeing weird temps on my CPU so it is time to re-paste maybe.

I've got to try that PBO stuff by @Mussels when I get some free time.

 

[Chomiq]

I got the 5800X and with the flareX 3200Mhz I got to 3800Mhz CL16 no problem 1.35v on mem. It was like 15 min try and boom worked. I will need to check the timings exactly but most of them I left at auto. I wanted to try going 3900 or 4000 even but did not have time. Plus I'm seeing weird temps on my CPU so it is time to re-paste maybe.

I've got to try that PBO stuff by @Mussels when I get some free time.

95/60/90 on PBO with All Core curve on -15 basically lets me keep rock solid 4850 Mhz when playing Squad (which is lightly threaded badly optimized UE4, 30% CPU load max), pretty much the same with Hitman 2 in DX12 which loads up to 50% of the CPU. All at avg 62 C with occasional peaks super short spikes to 77 C.

I tried going with higher PBO values and trying +200 but the max I saw was 4950 for a brief second. I guess that stuff is reserved for people with AIO's.

 

[P4-630]

Ryzen 7000 may be coming September 15 2022.

 

[Mussels]

TPU's ryzen 5500 review is up

Honestly, unless you're doing 240Hz gaming it seems to be 'good enough' for everyone