Does anyone care about 10Gb LAN? (Poll)

[ir_cow]

As the thread states, I am looking to see if people care if motherboards have 10Gb LAN.

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Just gets to my 1tb monthly cap 9x faster

 

[ERazer]

A must if you edit vid file on your NAS.

 

[W1zzard]

Would love to have 10G at home, but switches are still too expensive (I need a 16 port model). I guess I could get a 8 port 10G switch and keep the 1G 16 port model, still expensive

 

[dirtyferret]

not today or tomorrow but some day, but then I don't have the demands some other people do

 

[Frick]

If I built a house now I would absolutely go for 10GbE, but just me in my apartment no particular interest.

 

[P4-630]

I voted NO I don't care much, but my motherboard has it...
For future uses then?

 

[Pawelr98]

For now, 2.5Gbit/s is getting there on the motherboard market, yet there are no inexpensive switches to follow.

While I would be glad to see NIC that are even faster than 2.5Gbit/s installed at the same cost, as long as there is no cheap external hardware to allow those speeds, it's kind of pointless.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

Shizz, maybe if I weren't a peasant on a 100-base home network comprising mostly secondhand or salvaged equipment tied together with string, bubblegum and hope.

 

[xrror]

I'd love 10G now but like Wizzard said even if the NICs get cheap a decent switch with at least 16 ports for use to wire a home isn't...

Honestly I'm just happy we even still get wired Ethernet since seems like avg customer is all about Wireless for everything. Like urgh no some of us still like wires.

(but I totally get if you don't own your home, where you can't drill walls but still)

 

[Solaris17]

Are you guys just not interested in old gear? Or just like it from brands you can find at Walmart? Serious question. 10G has been around far longer than 2.5/5 and you can get single mellanox cards far cheaper on something like eBay, than the fancy anodized red asus cards. Likewise you can get Cisco broadcom, HP, etc etc etc 10G sfp and Ethernet switches for a few hundred. Which is on par in price with most ubiquity or mikrotik stuff.

I have seen an odd amount of hate on the forums for the better part of a year on 10G networking in general but I can’t help but wonder if it stems from simple ignorance, maybe unwillingness to believe it is a viable option, or maybe they just see a name like “Arista” and get nervous.

 

[ThrashZone]

Are you guys just not interested in old gear? Or just like it from brands you can find at Walmart? Serious question. 10G has been around far longer than 2.5/5 and you can get single mellanox cards far cheaper on something like eBay, than the fancy anodized red asus cards. Likewise you can get Cisco broadcom, HP, etc etc etc 10G sfp and Ethernet switches for a few hundred. Which is on par in price with most ubiquity or mikrotik stuff.

I have seen an odd amount of hate on the forums for the better part of a year on 10G networking in general but I can’t help but wonder if it stems from simple ignorance, maybe unwillingness to believe it is a viable option, or maybe they just see a name like “Arista” and get nervous.

Hi,
Can't say for others but 10g means nothing if I don't network or if my isp is just silly expensive for it
So not sure there is any hate it's just simply not needed think you took a large leap on the hate bit here.

 

[bohrz]

I'm starting to build a home server, and already can see the benefits of faster intra home connections. Not that I'm gonna use 10G, but it would be nice.

 

[Psychoholic]

My main PC is on Wifi (WiFi 6) and the main bottleneck when transferring to and from my NAS is the 1Gb Nic in the server, not my WiFi
So yep, 10Gb would be great for NAS usage.

 

[qubit]

That's a helluva lot faster than my PC! I literally couldn't ever max it out. Nowhere near.

Therefore, I'll pass on it for now. I voted indifferent.

 

[chrcoluk]

Ethernet seems to have hit a roadblock.

We went from 100mbit to gigabit to the point that now gigabit is standard and obtainable at similar costs to what 100mbit was, but 2.5gbit and 10gbit have a price premium that wont go away.

The problem of course to upgrade you have to upgrade both endpoints, and any intermediate switches, I analysed the cost and felt it was too expensive for little practical gain. Most of my transfers to my NAS would be bottlenecked by the HDD on my PC only slightly above gigabit capacity. I also only very recently setup my NAS. So 10gbit wouldnt offer me much of a practical improvement. Hence I voted indifferent, its an upgrade I would have done if the prices dropped to reasonable levels.

Are you guys just not interested in old gear? Or just like it from brands you can find at Walmart? Serious question. 10G has been around far longer than 2.5/5 and you can get single mellanox cards far cheaper on something like eBay, than the fancy anodized red asus cards. Likewise you can get Cisco broadcom, HP, etc etc etc 10G sfp and Ethernet switches for a few hundred. Which is on par in price with most ubiquity or mikrotik stuff.

I have seen an odd amount of hate on the forums for the better part of a year on 10G networking in general but I can’t help but wonder if it stems from simple ignorance, maybe unwillingness to believe it is a viable option, or maybe they just see a name like “Arista” and get nervous.

For me its just that a few hundred on a switch is miles out of my budget and I consider that very expensive.

My Archer C7 cost me £20 used, my second managed switch is an old Asus N16 I dug out of the cobwebs a couple of years ago. So going from £20 to a few hundred in terms of % is a considerable increase in expense. I expect I am not alone in this line of thought.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Yeah, that would be nice. As for cost balancing, I would rather have motherboards with dual-port and/or 10GbE NICs than any form of criminally bad integrated audio. I'd happily buy a motherboard that doesn't have any integrated audio whatsoever but a higher-quality NIC instead. The past three motherboards I've owned never had anything plugged into their audio jacks throughout their entire lifetime.

 

[xrror]

Ethernet seems to have hit a roadblock.

We went from 100mbit to gigabit to the point that now gigabit is standard and obtainable at similar costs to what 100mbit was, but 2.5gbit and 10gbit have a price premium that wont go away.

The problem of course to upgrade you have to upgrade both endpoints, and any intermediate switches, I analysed the cost and felt it was too expensive for little practical gain. Most of my transfers to my NAS would be bottlenecked by the HDD on my PC only slightly above gigabit capacity. I also only very recently setup my NAS. So 10gbit wouldnt offer me much of a practical improvement. Hence I voted indifferent, its an upgrade I would have done if the prices dropped to reasonable levels.


For me its just that a few hundred on a switch is miles out of my budget and I consider that very expensive.

My Archer C7 cost me £20 used, my second managed switch is an old Asus N16 I dug out of the cobwebs a couple of years ago. So going from £20 to a few hundred in terms of % is a considerable increase in expense. I expect I am not alone in this line of thought.

Yea i think that kinda sums it up, since gigabit gear now is cheap as chips, and sure if you could (can you?) get like a 16 port 10G switch for say $100 (which would be an awesome deal yea) you still need a 10G card for every machine too - which adds up.

It's not that it's unreasonable, it's just if like my house there are 5 machines i'd want to be on the 10G segment to be even worth the effort. And looking at say $50 for the cheapest 10G PCIe cards that adds up fast.

It's enough that I kinda have to justify the spend to make everything 10G other than it being awesome lol. I kinda hoped that the 2.5G and 5G might have come down to being maybe same price as cheap 1G cause in that case you don't even have to really think about it. While 2.5G would still be roughly twice as fast, that's still like $30 a card and you'd still need a switch - and some of the old 10G switches that might be cheap enough pre-date 2.5G and 5G so they won't negotiate those so it just keeps squeaking outside of "impulse upgrade" price lol

 

[Solaris17]

For me its just that a few hundred on a switch is miles out of my budget and I consider that very expensive.

My Archer C7 cost me £20 used, my second managed switch is an old Asus N16 I dug out of the cobwebs a couple of years ago. So going from £20 to a few hundred in terms of % is a considerable increase in expense. I expect I am not alone in this line of thought.

Thats a pretty resonable response. I forget its a tech forum sometimes. Drives me mad reading snarky comments about 10g. Especially when im looking at ent contract pricing at $14+k USD/switch and im getting hundreds. To watch people glorify a 2.5g RGB router and get mad that the same 10G switch I am buying without support is $250 on ebay. To me its wildly cost effective. To those that have a max budget of $100 in general on network gear they only replace once a decade I guess I can see it.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

I need to vote for both. I am waay over my head trying to set up even a network drive, so home stuff is gigabit or WiFi, mostly WiFi. For work though? I run a program that consumes at a bite all available RAM then transfers many many small chunks of data and sometimes quite large chunks (for being part of a program) to a database on our local server. Imagine waiting 5-8 seconds for your clicks to actually do anything, until it has loades a different set of items into memory...

TL;DR: I need 10Gb ultra low latency for work, but I don't really care about it at home.

 

[ir_cow]

Yeah, that would be nice. As for cost balancing, I would rather have motherboards with dual-port and/or 10GbE NICs than any form of criminally bad integrated audio. I'd happily buy a motherboard that doesn't have any integrated audio whatsoever but a higher-quality NIC instead. The past three motherboards I've owned never had anything plugged into their audio jacks throughout their entire lifetime.

Wouldn't that be nice.

 

[TheUn4seen]

Personally I don't care.
I rarely move large enough amount of data for gigabit to be limiting and even when I do, I just leave it overnight when I sleep. I never found myself in a situation when I absolutely, positively, needed to copy my Star Trek collection from the NAS within a few minutes.
In addition to that, my main NAS is a low power, passively cooled Celeron J1800 machine. To saturate a 10GB/s connection I would need to build something much more powerful, which means more power hungry and louder. And for what, to see my old photo 0.01 seconds faster?
I don't think it's a price related problem. Faster than gigabit LAN just seems to be not really necessary in the vast majority of situations. It's just like with super-fast WAN. My ISP upgraded me to a gigabit connection for a year because I was with them for ten years. Seems great, but after a year I looked at my long-term statistics and noticed I maxed it so rarely it didn't even show on a graph. Now I'm back on a 100/20 connection and don't see any difference.
There certainly are people who need 10Gb ethernet, but I'd hazard a guess they are few and far between. In the vast majority of situations it's just a case of the manufacturer wanting to have a higher number on the box and consumer some bragging rights to bolster an ego.

 

[sam_86314]

Yes.

I have a 10GbE link between my home server and my main PC (using old server hardware, so it cost like $80 for two NICs and an SFP+ cable) and it's awesome.

 

[newtekie1]

I was really happy when they started to put 10Gb on motherboards. Then 2.5Gb came out and they dumped the 10Gb ports for 2.5Gb. It was a step backwards, and it pisses me off.

I've got a 10Gb network between the machines that need it, but I had to put PCI-E add-in cards into each machine. It would be nice if they just had it built in so I didn't have to waste the PCI-E slot.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

I think it should just be a given on any semi high end motherboard..... It makes me cringe when I see 400+ usd boards not include it.