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[MachineLearning]

Thought you folks might like some high-freq (for ambient...) FX.

5634.56 MHz FX-6300

5601.09 MHz FX-8350

With this beauty above. I just wish the Sabertooth had 1C per module mode (and better sPi efficiency, but that's beside the point).

Entered into the Intel Open. It's not looking great for my current samples but PSCheck helped loads.

Still actively pushing what I've got!

 

[The red spirit]

Thought you folks might like some high-freq (for ambient...) FX.

5634.56 MHz FX-6300

5601.09 MHz FX-8350

View attachment 252811
With this beauty above. I just wish the Sabertooth had 1C per module mode (and better sPi efficiency, but that's beside the point).

Entered into the Intel Open. It's not looking great for my current samples but PSCheck helped loads.

Still actively pushing what I've got!

Is that all it can do? Seems ridiculously disappointing. I managed to achieve 5.2GHz with just Hyper 103 and Asrock 970 Pro R2.0 board. Your setup should be decent for 6GHz or a bit more.

 

[MachineLearning]

Is that all it can do? Seems ridiculously disappointing. I managed to achieve 5.2GHz with just Hyper 103 and Asrock 970 Pro R2.0 board. Your setup should be decent for 6GHz or a bit more.

The FX-6300 score is the third highest on ambient for that CPU, losing to 1st by about 100MHz. So I wouldn't say it's disappointing.

 

[QuietBob]

I just wish the Sabertooth had 1C per module mode

Impressive clocks with these FX chips! You can disable CMT in the BIOS when you go down to a single module. You'll end up with 1c/1t.

 

[The red spirit]

The FX-6300 score is the third highest on ambient for that CPU, losing to 1st by about 100MHz. So I wouldn't say it's disappointing.

Seems bizarre. You should have no problems clocking it higher. It's not like you are limited by voltage or cooling. Here's my score:

AMD FX @ 5288.33 MHz - CPU-Z VALIDATOR

[reiqf3] Validated Dump by The red spirit (2019-02-26 15:26:19) - MB: ASRock 970 Pro3 R2.0 - RAM: 16384 MB

valid.x86.fr

I must have forgotten that, but it's actually 5.28 GHz.

 

[MachineLearning]

Impressive clocks with these FX chips! You can disable CMT in the BIOS when you go down to a single module. You'll end up with 1c/1t.

Sabertooth BIOS does not support such a thing unfortunately am currently using the e-waste GA-970A-DS3P for this exact reason to see if I can go further. Need a good AsRock/GB 990FX board. 1102, 0813 both don't have the feature and 0402 doesn't even support FX CPUs.

Unfortunately, module 1 is second best and module 4 is best; ASUS core disabling allows per-module, GB is total core #. So with ASUS I can't get 1c per module and with GB I can't get the module I want with any core reduction

Seems bizarre. You should have no problems clocking it higher. It's not like you are limited by voltage or cooling. Here's my score:

AMD FX @ 5288.33 MHz - CPU-Z VALIDATOR

[reiqf3] Validated Dump by The red spirit (2019-02-26 15:26:19) - MB: ASRock 970 Pro3 R2.0 - RAM: 16384 MB

valid.x86.fr

I must have forgotten that, but it's actually 5.28 GHz.

That's a nice score for such cooling. These FX chips just get so damn hot past ~5.6GHz, it's basically a thermal wall that ambient temps cannot deal with (excluding Siberia).

Only exception could be if I had like a car radiator WC setup with a great quality pump + CPU WB and great paste, maybe I could hit 5.7+. Or just a platinum sample...

 

[GreiverBlade]

Oh, and almost forgot ... this SiS 6326 will be my weapon of choice when it comes to graphics. I wonder if it could run Half-Life at 640x480?

SiS 6326, although mine had a heatsink on it, was my first GC in my first self build, paired with a K6-2 (until i got enough money for a TNT 1 )

 

[QuietBob]

Sabertooth BIOS does not support such a thing unfortunately

I mean this specific menu on the Sabertooth 2.0:

When you disable the 2nd core, you're left with 1 core/ALU and 1 thread. Unless you mean disabling CMT for a specific module? If that's the case, the Sabertooth doesn't let you do it, unfortunately.

 

[GreiverBlade]

btw @MachineLearning , really dig your avatar

thus

 

[The red spirit]

That's a nice score for such cooling. These FX chips just get so damn hot past ~5.6GHz, it's basically a thermal wall that ambient temps cannot deal with (excluding Siberia).

Probably. I only ran 1 module since I was badly VRM limited. My board was way over 100C at VRMs just in desktop. I looked at wattmeter and yeah it sucked 200 watts just during boot up. Yikes. My score was also a suicide run. It wasn't stable at all, it was just stable enough to validate score, that's it. It crashed several times during boot up or opening CPU-Z. I also had voltage with LLC set as high as they went and board was throttling badly. I obviously maxed out multi overclocks, so had to resort to modifying bus clock. My FX 6300 was still stable at 4.8-4.9 GHz, past that I went just for nice numbers. That was quite a bit of fun, but took years of that board's life. I probably also disabled thermal protection too. I attempted to do something similar in past with Gigabyte 78LMT-S2P board, but since it was low end 3+1 phase board with no VRM cooling, I only reached pitiful 4.3 GHz. Even at that speed VRMs were over 150C with 163C hotspot. Board literally had roasted mark in VRM area after that, but still worked for a year or two until it died.

BTW I also had Mugen 4 PCGH cooler available, but it didn't seem to do anything for stability in my case and I really hate having to do anything with it on.

PS: For pulling shit like this with my boards, I'm not sure if I want overclocking capable board again. It's a lot of fun, but I get addicted to that and until I reach the point of board literally melting, it's not satisfactory enough. That's partly why I got locked i5 instead of Ryzen for my daily.

Only exception could be if I had like a car radiator WC setup with a great quality pump + CPU WB and great paste, maybe I could hit 5.7+. Or just a platinum sample...

Or just ignore thermals completely, do suicide runs for higher speed, screw stability and HW for those 6 GHz. But for real, some people actually ran FX chips at 5GHz daily. Pushing to 6GHz seems to be totally possible with suicide runs with your cooling. People achieve around 6Ghz with water. You really need LN2 for 6.5GHz+

 

[Trekkie4]

SiS 6326, although mine had a heatsink on it, was my first GC in my first self build, paired with a K6-2 (until i got enough money for a TNT 1 )

Sweet! Something tells me that it's going to blend in with the rest of the components just fine

I remember testing that same 6326 a while back, approx. 10 years ago and I was genuinely surprised just how good it was. Because everyone kept saying it was worthless & compared it with those S3 cards only capable of 2D with next to none 3D acceleration. But it actually worked out fine, maybe not the best video card I've seen but still better than ATI Rage, Rage Pro & S3 Trio cards for example.

 

[MachineLearning]

I mean this specific menu on the Sabertooth 2.0:

View attachment 252865

When you disable the 2nd core, you're left with 1 core/ALU and 1 thread. Unless you mean disabling CMT for a specific module? If that's the case, the Sabertooth doesn't let you do it, unfortunately.

Interesting, my r1.01 does not have the disable 2nd core option in BIOS 1102 or prior. What BIOS are you running on r2.0? I will look for a similarly-timed release for my board and see if it gives the option.

Unfortunately, I would indeed have to disable the 2nd core per-module to benefit, since module 4 > module 1 for both of my good FX CPUs.

Probably. I only ran 1 module since I was badly VRM limited. My board was way over 100C at VRMs just in desktop. I looked at wattmeter and yeah it sucked 200 watts just during boot up. Yikes. My score was also a suicide run. It wasn't stable at all, it was just stable enough to validate score, that's it. It crashed several times during boot up or opening CPU-Z. I also had voltage with LLC set as high as they went and board was throttling badly. I obviously maxed out multi overclocks, so had to resort to modifying bus clock. My FX 6300 was still stable at 4.8-4.9 GHz, past that I went just for nice numbers. That was quite a bit of fun, but took years of that board's life. I probably also disabled thermal protection too. I attempted to do something similar in past with Gigabyte 78LMT-S2P board, but since it was low end 3+1 phase board with no VRM cooling, I only reached pitiful 4.3 GHz. Even at that speed VRMs were over 150C with 163C hotspot. Board literally had roasted mark in VRM area after that, but still worked for a year or two until it died.

BTW I also had Mugen 4 PCGH cooler available, but it didn't seem to do anything for stability in my case and I really hate having to do anything with it on.

PS: For pulling shit like this with my boards, I'm not sure if I want overclocking capable board again. It's a lot of fun, but I get addicted to that and until I reach the point of board literally melting, it's not satisfactory enough. That's partly why I got locked i5 instead of Ryzen for my daily.


Or just ignore thermals completely, do suicide runs for higher speed, screw stability and HW for those 6 GHz. But for real, some people actually ran FX chips at 5GHz daily. Pushing to 6GHz seems to be totally possible with suicide runs with your cooling. People achieve around 6Ghz with water. You really need LN2 for 6.5GHz+

Ignoring thermals - check.

Idgaf about the 8350 especially, it has a dead memory channel so it's due to become kindling anyway. What I really need is to figure out how to get PSCheck to give me > 1.55v for an FX CPU, VID offset in BIOS does not help.

Now I've noticed a 6.1GHz H2O 8350, which might be what you're mentioning. Shit, there goes the next week of my life

 

[QuietBob]

What BIOS are you running on r2.0?

It's the latest, version 2901 dated 5/8/16

 

[MachineLearning]

It's the latest, version 2901 dated 5/8/16

Can confirm latest r1.01 BIOS (1604) does not have 2nd core disable option

 

[lexluthermiester]

my Commodore AT clone, using DOS 1.0 later Win 3.1, used 5.1/4" drives 170.75kb disks it was ... errrr better not speak of it ...

Ok, that was the exception, not the rule. Most PC's running Windows 3.1/3.11 have/had a 1.44MB floppy drive..

Seem to remember you only needed disks 1 to 6 ( disk 7 was just the mirid of printer drivers )

I think you're right.

 

[GreiverBlade]

Ok, that was the exception, not the rule. Most PC's running Windows 3.1/3.11 has a 1.44MB floppy drive...

that's all me, all exception and no rules! exceptio'n'al[l] i am!
joke aside, well yeah since it came with DOS 1.0 and GW Basic and not Win 3.1 hehehe

 

[The red spirit]

Ignoring thermals - check.

Idgaf about the 8350 especially, it has a dead memory channel so it's due to become kindling anyway. What I really need is to figure out how to get PSCheck to give me > 1.55v for an FX CPU, VID offset in BIOS does not help.

CPU isn't that great for anything else other than overclocking, but I wouldn't really want to abuse board. AM3+ are expensive on eBay and have been like that even before 2020. You have TUF board and those are even more expensive.

Now I've noticed a 6.1GHz H2O 8350, which might be what you're mentioning. Shit, there goes the next week of my life

You can always check OCN (Overclock.net) or CPU-Z leaderboards 6GHz is definitely doable with water on suicide run. If you wanted, you could probably even run it at 5GHz 24/7. It's essentially the same as running FX 9590 and that chip came with stock 120mm AIO. It wasn't exactly enough even if you allow your ears to be raped by noise, but with 240mm+ it wouldn't be a problem.

 

[lexluthermiester]

well yeah since it came with DOS 1.0 and GW Basic and not Win 3.1 hehehe

Did you ever upgrade that system to a newer floppy drive and HDD?

 

[Audioave10]

Some AM2/AM3 coolers ready for builds...

 

[GreiverBlade]

Did you ever upgrade that system to a newer floppy drive and HDD?

nah, i was quite little at the time ahah ... it was a 1985, so i was 4, Commodore PC40 we got the 1.2mb 5.1/4 floppy later, it was already running 3.1 (another exception, usually all PC40-40 came with 1.2mb 5.1/4", not ours )
the price at the time was not ideal and the PC was a gift from a friend (initially for my parents )

 

[Trekkie4]

Blah, I REALLY hate these extension brackets!

After couple of hours with PS/2, Parallel & Serial port headers, it would seem that everything is hooked up as it should be ... I hope! Also, if any of you here also happen to have an old Asus board laying around & would want to hook up PS/2 mouse extension port, this here is the wiring diagram obtained from the Vogons forum.

Keep in mind however that the wiring color code doesn't mean anything and differs from one header to another. Therefore, if you really want to be 100% certain that you're not going to short or fry something you'll just have to probe each & every pin with the meter & confirm the correct layout.

To make things even more complicated, one (PS/2 mouse) header is being shared ... or rather, used in parallel with secondary IR and two USB ports, so you really have to be careful around these. It's like a really nasty front panel connection, where you can make a lot more damage than just reversing LEDs other way around.

As always, before ... and after!

 

[Greenslade]

The HP Compaq D530 has DDR RAM.
Socket 478 Pentium 4 HT support.
865g chipset, supports dual channel RAM.
AGP 8x video card slot.

The HP Compaq D530 has DDR RAM.
Socket 478 Pentium 4 HT support.
865g chipset, supports dual channel RAM.
AGP 8x video card slot.

Yes, I know the modal that it is and the rest of the stuff in there, I understand
the Ram is DDR2. The question is would it be possible to put the HP motherboard
in a new case? As it is a Oem Hp Motherboard.

Ethernet cabal???

oh dear...
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light browser for Win XP on an Athlon? mmhhh maybe the one i use on my Samsung N350 with his shitty Atom

Opera 36​

Pale Moon​

K-Meleon​

i mainly used Pale Moon and K-meleon

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K-meleon was the only one that worked.​

Blah, I REALLY hate these extension brackets!

After couple of hours with PS/2, Parallel & Serial port headers, it would seem that everything is hooked up as it should be ... I hope! Also, if any of you here also happens to have an old Asus board laying around & would want to hook up PS/2 mouse extension port, this here is the wiring diagram obtained from the Vogons forum.

Keep in mind however that the wiring color code doesn't mean anything and differs from one header to another. Therefore, if you really want to be 100% certain that you're not going to short or fry something you'll just have to probe each & every pin with the meter & confirm the correct layout.

To make things even more complicated, one (PS/2 mouse) header is being shared ... or rather, used in parallel with secondary IR and two USB ports, so you really have to be careful around these. It's like a really nasty front panel connection, where you can make a lot more damage than just reversing LEDs other way around.

As always, before ... and after!

This was a very interesting video about how the PS2 keyboard interface works?

 

[GreiverBlade]

K-meleon was the only one that worked.​

yeah, K-meleon is the one i used for most my XP retrorigs, i mentioned Pale Moon because that's the one i use on the Samsung N150 plus (yup mixed up the dual core, 2C/4T, N550 powered N350 and the single core, 1C/2T, N450 powered N150 plus ) but i did forget it was running Win 7 Starter (still a sh!tty netbook, ahah ...)
and the Atom N450 do have SSE2

Product Specifications

quick reference guide including specifications, features, pricing, compatibility, design documentation, ordering codes, spec codes and more.

ark.intel.com

 

[Trekkie4]

This was a very interesting video about how the PS2 keyboard interface works?

People take for granted what we have nowdays... Let's be honest, most people wouldn't even consider adding a keyboard or mouse header to their system (nor would they ever need to), but back in a day these things were considered standard.

Unfortunately, this "standard" was prone to loose translation, so just about every single brand used a different one & featured different color scheme. PS/2 mouse port is not an exception, I've seen at least two different versions of color coding, with one of them suggesting that the black wire is +5V while the other one claimed it was yellow. Get these wrong (or other way around) & you're going to fry something for sure!

Those who flipped their USB headers other way around (uhh ... me) know what happens when you mess it up, my WiFi USB adapter literally caught fire.

 

[Greenslade]

yeah, K-meleon is the one i used for most my XP retrorigs, i mentioned Pale Moon because that's the one i use on the Samsung N150 plus (yup mixed up the dual core, 2C/4T, N550 powered N350 and the single core, 1C/2T, N450 powered N150 plus ) but i did forget it was running Win 7 Starter (still a sh!tty netbook, ahah ...)
and the Atom N450 do have SSE2

Product Specifications

quick reference guide including specifications, features, pricing, compatibility, design documentation, ordering codes, spec codes and more.

ark.intel.com

I just looked at your Atom N450 SSE3 as well. If I would have known how hard it was to get a browser to work with Athlon 2400 I would have gone for Phil.s fav Retro one Athlon 64
I have it all sorted now with all the essentials I have for it. What do you think of this or this one?

PS2 Computer Keyboard Model: TS-K800 108 KEY Black / Silver. PS/2 port​

Opened –never used £10
“COMPLETE WITH BOX LOOKS AS NEW WITH A PS2 COMPUTER CONNECTION AS PICTURED”

Right-Tec PS/2 PS2 Old Connector Multimedia Full Size Qwerty Keyboard - RTK2708 £8 I have seen it on another site for £5 but with postage it with postage it would be about the same.​

PS/2 Multimedia Keyboard (Black/Silver)
UK QWERTY Layout
Spill-resistant design.
One touch controls for music and video.
Volume control jog-wheel.
Dimensions (W, H, D): 485 x 190 x 31mm

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