AMD Ryzen 7 5700X

[HenrySomeone]

You are also forgetting you can further tune ZEN 3 and UV and UC and get higher efficiency and less TDP which will negate the alder lake UV and UC.

According to de8auer Alder lake needs the higher frequency and with it higher Power consumption in order to compete with ZEN 3.

This very video states that the regular 5800x is much worse as far as efficiency goes compared to the x3D which is almost twice as expensive and at the end also concludes that you can tune Alder Lake to the same kind of (low) power consumption. This is what we call a massive argument fail...

 

[The King]

This very video states that the regular 5800x is much worse as far as efficiency goes compared to the x3D which is almost twice as expensive and at the end also concludes that you can tune Alder Lake to the same kind of (low) power consumption. This is what we call a massive argument fail...

Look at the power consumption of the 12400 6-12T vs 5600X 6-12T. Where is the alder lake efficiency then? 5 more fps at 21W more?

 

[HenrySomeone]

Look at the power consumption of the 12400 6-12T vs 5600X 6-12T. Where is the alder lake efficiency then? 5 more fps at 20W more?

5 more average fps and 11 more in minimum, that's 15% higher mins! And once again, you can tune it down to 5600x's level of power use and it will still perform better!

 

[The King]

5 more average fps and 11 more in minimum, that's 15% higher mins! And once again, you can tune it down to 5600x's level of power use and it will still perform better!

You can also turn up the 5600X to use 21W more and outperform the 12400. see how that works. Anyway no time for childish arguments.

All tests show stock for stock ZEN 3 has higher efficiency per watt. It can be close and vary from sample to sample (silicon) but stating alder lake is more efficient is not true.
They close with ZEN 3 being slightly ahead in terms of overall efficiency.

 

[HenrySomeone]

You can also turn up the 5600X to use 21W more and outperform the 12400. see how that works. Anyway no time for childish arguments.

All tests show stock for stock ZEN 3 has higher efficiency per watt. It can be close and vary from sample to sample (silicon) but stating alder lake is more efficient is not true.
They close with ZEN 3 being slightly ahead in terms of overall efficiency.

No, you can't; it will use more power, but gaming performance uplift is virtually non-existent:

 

[undorich]

this review is a couple of weeks old ? maybe shouldt be published at all ?

AGESA 1.2.0.6c --> ?

this is where is stoped reading

 

[Anymal]

It's so funny when you go "5800X is faster for only $10 more", "12600k is cheaper and faster" and then you go "highly recommended".
I mean, we all know why, but it's still funny.

Why?

 

[The King]

Intel Core i5-12400F Review - The AMD Challenger

The Intel Core i5-12400F comes at an extremely attractive price point, yet offers performance comparable to AMD's Ryzen 5 5600X. While Intel introduced a Hybrid core design with Alder Lake, the 12400F is a P-core only design, which helps avoid potential compatibility issues with E-cores.

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• New LGA1700 motherboards required
• Energy efficiency worse than AMD Zen 3
• Multiplier-based overclocking is locked
• BCLK overclocking intentionally limited, too
• Lacks Boost 3.0
• No integrated graphics
• No E-cores

Intel Core i5-12600K Review - Winning Price/Performance

The Core i5-12600K is the price/performance king in the Intel Alder Lake lineup. With its competitive pricing of $300, it's a clear winner against AMD's Ryzen 5 5600X and faster than even the 5800X in many applications and games. This is the gaming CPU you want.

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• New LGA1700 motherboards required
• Some workloads get scheduled onto wrong cores
• Energy efficiency worse than AMD Zen 3
• No CPU cooler included

Intel Core i9-12900K Review - Fighting for the Performance Crown

The Intel Core i9-12900K is Intel's flagship processor for the Alder Lake architecture. In our testing, we saw fantastic gaming performance from this new processor. Not only low-threaded tests have improved, the 12900K can even beat AMD at highly threaded workloads.

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• High price
• Very high heat output / power usage
• New LGA1700 motherboards required
• Some workloads get scheduled onto wrong cores
• Energy efficiency worse than AMD Zen 3
• No CPU cooler included
• Manual overclocking not worth it

 

[HenrySomeone]

12th gen has slightly worse efficiency overall compared to Zen3 when both are pushed to or close to their max frequencies, but it also puts out notably better performance core for core. However you can tune Alder Lake down to 5000 series rival like power use and they will at least match it in almost all scenarios and certainly in gaming:

 

[Tsukiyomi91]

Never call a dead-end platform "affordable" when AM5 is coming. Sure, it's $5 more expensive than the 12600K but the Alder Lake chip does everything else a lot better while maintaining much higher all-core boost clocks than the 5700X. Also, power consumption is not so relevant when you're seeking for consistent performance.

 

[The King]

Never call a dead-end platform "affordable" when AM5 is coming. Sure, it's $5 more expensive than the 12600K but the Alder Lake chip does everything else a lot better while maintaining much higher all-core boost clocks than the 5700X. Also, power consumption is not so relevant when you're seeking for consistent performance.

Will be interesting to see if there rumors are true what happens when the 5600X3D and 5900X3D launches. From a gaming performance point I wont call AM4 dead when new CPUs are being released.

Also talks of of ZEN4 running on AM4 not quiet a dead end platform at all. Yes many rumors but seems like AM4 does have some life left in it.

AMD Ryzen 7000 "Zen 4" Launch Date and Lineup Revealed, Spectacular AM4 Rumor Surfaces

15th September, 2022, is when AMD will debut its Ryzen 7000 "Zen 4" desktop processors. The launch strategy of these chips looks similar to that of the Ryzen 5000 series. The company is preparing a lean launch lineup with just four SKUs—the Ryzen 9 7950X, the Ryzen 9 7900X, Ryzen 7 7800X, and...

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[Chrispy_]

I was wondering when you were going to get a 5700X review done; I'm guessing the delay was partly because it's not exactly an exciting launch at about a year late to the party, and AMD's original MSRP was unappealing enough to make it nearly pointless alongside the 5800X

When the CPUs have user-definable power settings, and the only real difference between the 5700X and 5800X in many workloads comes down to the default power setting, there really wasn't a lot of guesswork required!

Not that I'm expecting you to re-run any tests, but do you happen to have any data for a 5800X set to 65W TDP (i.e. 88W, 60A, 90A manual PBO)? I'm curious to see if it's within margin of error against the 5700X...

 

[HenrySomeone]

Never call a dead-end platform "affordable" when AM5 is coming. Sure, it's $5 more expensive than the 12600K but the Alder Lake chip does everything else a lot better while maintaining much higher all-core boost clocks than the 5700X. Also, power consumption is not so relevant when you're seeking for consistent performance.

Bingo! When Intel had 1151v2 and 1200 platforms, AM4 being longer lasting and more "future-proof" was all the rage (even though it took them 3 years too catch up to 8700k's performance), but now when lga 1700 is better in just about every regard and 13900 will obliterate all and any cpu on AM4, it's all relativized and the latter is still somehow "better" according to some (well, quite many to be honest ). Talk about double standards!

 

[Lesha]

@W1zzard Thanks for another great review. Could you also add 5800X PBO? It might paint a more precise picture when compared to 5700X PBO.

 

[The King]

Bingo! When Intel had 1151v2 and 1200 platforms, AM4 being longer lasting and more "future-proof" was all the rage (even though it took them 3 years too catch up to 8700k's performance), but now when lga 1700 is better in just about every regard and 13900 will obliterate all and any cpu on AM4, it's all relativized and the latter is still somehow "better" according to some (well, quite many to be honest ). Talk about double standards!

Zen 3 launched in October 2020. 11th gen Intel launched March 2021 and Alder Lake November 2021. How long did 11th gen last?

AM4 With ZEN 3 is still a more efficient platform and with 5800X3D gives 12900K owners nightmares.

But dont lose any sleep over it.

Actually AM4 launched Sep 2016!

 

[Mussels]

Fantastic chip, but priced far too high - gamers are better with the 5600x (or intel options) and anyone needing the extra cores might as well just get the 5800x or 5900x

 

[progste]

Never call a dead-end platform "affordable" when AM5 is coming. Sure, it's $5 more expensive than the 12600K but the Alder Lake chip does everything else a lot better while maintaining much higher all-core boost clocks than the 5700X. Also, power consumption is not so relevant when you're seeking for consistent performance.

As opposed to all intel platforms which are a dead end the year they come out?
all these late AM4 CPUs are a great budget proposition to anyone looking to upgrade from previous gen ryzen CPUs without having to buy a new mobo+RAM.

 

[HenrySomeone]

Zen 3 launched in October 2020. 11th gen Intel launched March 2021 and Alder Lake November 2021. How long did 11th gen last?

AM4 With ZEN 3 is still a more efficient platform and with 5800X3D gives 12900K owners nightmares.

But dont lose any sleep over it.

Actually AM4 launched Sep 2016!

Why would it matter how long 11th gen lasted? Yes, it wasn't a great gen and we know why (it was meant for 10nm), but for several months after release, the cheapest Zen3 (5600x) was more expensive than i9 10850k (at least in the States), which was absolutely bonkers.
Oh, and why exactly should x3D give 12900k owners nightmares? Yes, it matches it in gaming on average, but gets brutally stomped on almost everywhere else at almost the same price. (And if you're just gaming, you shouldn't go for i9 anyway, while with AMD you don't have a choice if you want to be in the same ballpark performance-wise.) Nightmares for sure!

 

[eazen]

• A bit late to the party, with Zen 4 and AM5 on the horizon

It was released months ago. Not really that late.

Why would it matter how long 11th gen lasted? Yes, it wasn't a great gen and we know why (it was meant for 10nm), but for several months after release, the cheapest Zen3 (5600x) was more expensive than i9 10850k (at least in the States), which was absolutely bonkers.
Oh, and why exactly should x3D give 12900k owners nightmares? Yes, it matches it in gaming on average, but gets brutally stomped on almost everywhere else at almost the same price. Nightmares for sure!

Matches? The 5800X3D even WINS against a overclocked 12900K, please stop dreaming. It destroys the 12900K in some games even

 

[HenrySomeone]

It was released months ago. Not really that late.


Matches? The 5800X3D even WINS against a overclocked 12900K, please stop dreaming. It destroys the 12900K in some games even

Yes, matches to the t (and loses to KS) and as much as it "destroys" it in some games, it also gets destroyed in turn:

 

[undorich]

i dont know whats going on here in the forums between you guys, and you know what ? i dont wanna know.
all im suggesting was to incl the AGESA V2 PI 1.2.0.7. in this review, also.
since it was relased back in april for my MB, it should matter, i think. well at least for me, and maybe many others running AGESA V2 PI 1.2.0.7. since then. if not incl. in this review, why should i keep reading on something that is irrelevant for me ? im not planing on downgrading my bios to AGESA V2 PI 1.2.0.6b. if i get a 5700x.

Version 2803
2022/04/29 20.58 MBytes

ROG STRIX B550-F GAMING BIOS 2803
1. Update AMD AM4 AGESA V2 PI 1.2.0.7.
2. Fix AMD fTPM issue causes random stuttering.

what is a fanboy ? i really dont know what you are talking about. amd was picked by intel back in the days when pc started to keep up with the demant for cpu on the market. intel couldnt keep up and was also monopol/patent holder for x86. also they needed a artificial competition on the market so people had the illusion of choice. the only choice you got is west cost or east cost ^^ like nvidia and ati, now amd. rockefeller once said 'competition is sin' ia agree with that and think the big tech companies do agree to that as well ;-)

 

[KarymidoN]

got mine on release, no regrets, old x470 mobo and 3700x died and i needed a replacement, i'm happy with new x570 + 5700x, got mine to go 4.5 all core with 1.16v.
Easy to cool, low power draw, still runs everything great.

 

[Pepamami]

Indeed, same cooler, surprisingly big difference, probably due to lower voltage

But 5800X from old review has Stepping 0, revision B0.
5700X has Stepping 2, revision VRM-B2.

Buuuuuuuuuut

My 5800X has the same revision VRM-B2, Stepping 2 (I bought it in May 2022) as 5700X.

I mean, 5800X from old review, can be not the same as 5800X u can find in stores today.
And 5800X B2 is kinda the same as 5700X.

 

[XL-R8R]

All the typing people have done so far in this thread.... and no one points out the 12400f is only 3% slower in games when averaged out at 1080p (dropping to less than 2% @ 1440) and around $100 less than a 5700x.



Has this forum gone insane* - or just become logically devoid - and is really arguing over this CPU like its a golden release?





Dont save a hoe.. or pick sides; if its shit, its shit.... in this case, this is (too) expensive shit.... and before anyone chimes in with the "i can use my 134 year old motherboard with this cpu SO THERE!".. no lol



* or is filled with preteeens that want to argue like its youtube and people are posting "1st!" all over the place?

 

[progste]

All the typing people have done so far in this thread.... and no one points out the 12400f is only 3% slower in games when averaged out at 1080p (dropping to less than 2% @ 1440) and around $100 less than a 5700x.



Has this forum gone insane* - or just become logically devoid - and is really arguing over this CPU like its a golden release?





Dont save a hoe.. or pick sides; if its shit, its shit.... in this case, this is (too) expensive shit.... and before anyone chimes in with the "i can use my 134 year old motherboard with this cpu SO THERE!".. no lol



* or is filled with preteeens that want to argue like its youtube and people are posting "1st!" all over the place?

Outside of gaming there is about a 20% difference, whether that's worth 100€ or not it's a matter of perspective.
If your only interest is budget gaming and 6 cores are enough for you then the 5600 is a better choice and closer to the i5 in both performance and price.
And what's wrong with the point about older motherboards? it seems very relevant for about half the people in this forum.

Honestly the platforms are so close to each other that I don't get people trying so hard to push for intel in every AMD review.
And you even have the gall of accusing other of immaturity...