Processor | Ryzen 5 7600X |
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Motherboard | ASRock B650M PG Riptide |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15 |
Memory | DDR5 6000Mhz CL28 32GB |
Video Card(s) | Nvidia Geforce RTX 3070 Palit GamingPro OC |
Storage | Corsair MP600 Force Series Gen.4 1TB |
Did you missed the HWBot url, the result cannot be manipulatedThis is about the expected result for a 5600 at 50W; OP's 10000 for a 5500 seems really fishy though...
Processor | AMD R7 5800X3D |
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Motherboard | Asus Crosshair VIII Dark Hero |
Cooling | Thermalright Frozen Edge 360, 3x TL-B12 V2, 2x TL-B12 V1 |
Memory | 2x8 G.Skill Trident Z Royal 3200C14, 2x8GB G.Skill Trident Z Black and White 3200 C14 |
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Mouse | Logitech G502 Hero |
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VR HMD | Oculus 3 |
Software | Yes |
Benchmark Scores | Yes |
System Name | Teh Beast |
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Processor | 7800X3d |
Motherboard | Strix B650E-F |
Cooling | Kraken Elite 280 |
Memory | 32GB G.skill 6000mhz |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire 7900XTX Pulse |
Storage | 1X 1TB SN850X - 1 X 4TB SN850X |
Display(s) | Samsung Odyssey 49" OLED |
Case | Lian Li o11 Air Mini |
Power Supply | Corsair RM1000x |
Software | WIndows 11 Pro |
Processor | 7800X3D 2x16GB CO |
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Motherboard | Asrock B650m HDV |
Cooling | Peerless Assassin SE |
Memory | 2x16GB DR A-die@6000c30 tuned |
Video Card(s) | Asus 4070 dual OC 2610@915mv |
Storage | WD blue 1TB nvme |
Display(s) | Lenovo G24-10 144Hz |
Case | Corsair D4000 Airflow |
Power Supply | EVGA GQ 650W |
Software | Windows 10 home 64 |
Benchmark Scores | Superposition 8k 5267 Aida64 58.5ns |
If SOC, IOD, CCD, VDDP and VDD18 is run as low as they can and you use curve optimizer for undervolt then 10k on 5500 is doable. My 5600X do 10350 at 50WThis is about the expected result for a 5600 at 50W; OP's 10000 for a 5500 seems really fishy though...
System Name | BOX |
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Motherboard | X99 SOC Champion (BIOS F23c + bifurcation mod) |
Cooling | Thermalright Venomous-X + 2x Delta 38mm PWM (Push-Pull) |
Memory | Patriot Viper Steel 4000MHz CL16 4x8GB (@3240MHz CL12.12.12.24 CR2T @ 1,48V) |
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Mouse | Logitech RX-250 |
Keyboard | HP KB-9970 |
Software | Windows 10 Pro x64 |
I don't know about bizarre, but it's more and more obvious that core-for-core Alder Lake isn't just (way) more powerful, but also more efficient, just like fevgatos has been saying for months (and Randallflagg before him) and got nothing but dismissals and ridicule from ardent team red members...This seems like a bizarre topic to argue about, but here we are and I'm enjoying the read.. still too early for popcorn though![]()
A too expensive to produce hypothetical 16core GC could properly match and beat the 5950x in MT efficiency with ease, but it would meet the same fate against a 32core Threadripper. There is a reason why Intel dont have any HEDT class products for sale atm.Like i said earlier, in the end it all boils down to GC physical size, they are so big that intel could only put 8(10) of those on a consumer cpu(die) and keep the price in check at the same time. (10P cores would score lower than 8p+8E in full multithreaded benchmarks)
But that is no reason to handicap desktop Zen3 with a artificial limit for 8 cores maximum in this efficiency comparison when we both have to 5900x and 5950x as normal desktop consumer cpus for sale today
System Name | Teh Beast |
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Processor | 7800X3d |
Motherboard | Strix B650E-F |
Cooling | Kraken Elite 280 |
Memory | 32GB G.skill 6000mhz |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire 7900XTX Pulse |
Storage | 1X 1TB SN850X - 1 X 4TB SN850X |
Display(s) | Samsung Odyssey 49" OLED |
Case | Lian Li o11 Air Mini |
Power Supply | Corsair RM1000x |
Software | WIndows 11 Pro |
I don't know about bizarre, but it's more and more obvious that core-for-core Alder Lake isn't just (way) more powerful, but also more efficient, just like fevgatos has been saying for months (and Randallflagg before him) and got nothing but dismissals and ridicule from ardent team red members...![]()
Handicap Zen3? Core-for-core comparison is the sole purpose of this thread! But because that doesn't suit your narrative, you keep on butting in with your 5950x with all cores enabled (which is something that we had before, many times). Oh, and recent 32 core Threadripper costs sweltering $3300 (AMD Ryzen Threadripper PRO 5975WX - Ryzen Threadripper PRO Chagall PRO (Zen 3) 32-Core 3.6 GHz Socket sWRX8 280W Desktop Processor - 100-100000445WOF - Newegg.com), so hardly a worthy comparison, even with the theoretical 16P core Alder Lake, wouldn't you say? Actually, just like Steve from HU says (usually an AMD fan favorite site), AMD is moving away from HEDT as well (likely abandoning the category altogether), as the 5000 pro series is a purely workstation line. And finally, because you seem to have forgotten, here is the OP's opening post in which they are specifically naming 6/12 and 8/16 chips as the primary focus of the thread:So what have we learned by this comparison ?
A underclocked 12900k can be more efficient then a underclocked 5800x when you handicap Zen3 with its size advantage and only compare core for core with GC, but at the same time it cant touch a underclocked 5950x in energy efficiency as the numbers show.
A too expensive to produce hypothetical 16core GC could properly match and beat the 5950x in MT efficiency with ease, but it would meet the same fate against a 32core Threadripper. There is a reason why Intel dont have any HEDT class products for sale atm.
If you think i'm wrong, please share how many points Alder lake can put on the board in Cinebenchr23 at the given powerlevels 50w, 65w and 88w as the OP asked for![]()
Everyone with every cpu and architecture is welcome to join in our Cinebench R23 efficiency race!
We have two categories:
6/12 cores up to 50W
8/16 cores up to 65W
Disabling of cores is allowed.
Processor | 7800X3D 2x16GB CO |
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Motherboard | Asrock B650m HDV |
Cooling | Peerless Assassin SE |
Memory | 2x16GB DR A-die@6000c30 tuned |
Video Card(s) | Asus 4070 dual OC 2610@915mv |
Storage | WD blue 1TB nvme |
Display(s) | Lenovo G24-10 144Hz |
Case | Corsair D4000 Airflow |
Power Supply | EVGA GQ 650W |
Software | Windows 10 home 64 |
Benchmark Scores | Superposition 8k 5267 Aida64 58.5ns |
A bit off topic:Nah, the difference is around 20%, I'm just too bored to go into manual tuning right now
But sure, let's go with 10% for now until I decide to take this more seriously, cause right now im just letting the motherboard decide wtf it's doing
On the mobile side, it seems alder lake and AMD 6000 series are about the same speed clock per clock upto about 60w. But since alder lake can ramp up much more in wattage, it starts to lose the efficiency race at around 60w.I don't know about bizarre, but it's more and more obvious that core-for-core Alder Lake isn't just (way) more powerful, but also more efficient, just like fevgatos has been saying for months (and Randallflagg before him) and got nothing but dismissals and ridicule from ardent team red members...![]()
System Name | Mean machine |
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Processor | 12900k |
Motherboard | MSI Unify X |
Cooling | Noctua U12A |
Memory | 7600c34 |
Video Card(s) | 4090 Gamerock oc |
Storage | 980 pro 2tb |
Display(s) | Samsung crg90 |
Case | Fractal Torent |
Audio Device(s) | Hifiman Arya / a30 - d30 pro stack |
Power Supply | Be quiet dark power pro 1200 |
Mouse | Viper ultimate |
Keyboard | Blackwidow 65% |
But you do realize that's the whole point right? There are people saying that a 16P core would be too hot and power hungry to compete, which is the whole reason the topic even exists in the first place. Of course the current 8+8 configuration cannot compete in efficiency (at heavy MT tasks that is) with the 5950x, that's a given, since basically it uses 8 cores to match 16, e cores just stop scaling all together at 4ghz. Although even in that scenario the difference isn't as big as you think, can probably hit 23k at 90w with the full configuration. That's just with AUTO motherboard settings btw, no manual tuning whatsoever.A underclocked 12900k can be more efficient then a underclocked 5800x when you handicap Zen3 with its size advantage and only compare core for core with GC, but at the same time it cant touch a underclocked 5950x in energy efficiency as the numbers show.
A too expensive to produce hypothetical 16core GC could properly match and beat the 5950x in MT efficiency with ease, but it would meet the same fate against a 32core Threadripper. There is a reason why Intel dont have any HEDT class products for sale atm.
If you think i'm wrong, please share how many points Alder lake can put on the board in Cinebenchr23 at the given powerlevels 50w, 65w and 88w as the OP asked for![]()
System Name | "Icy Resurrection" |
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Processor | 13th Gen Intel Core i9-13900KS Special Edition |
Motherboard | ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z790 APEX ENCORE |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15S upgraded with 2x NF-F12 iPPC-3000 fans and Honeywell PTM7950 TIM |
Memory | 32 GB G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB F5-6800J3445G16GX2-TZ5RK @ 7600 MT/s 36-44-44-52-96 1.4V |
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Storage | 500 GB WD Black SN750 SE NVMe SSD + 4 TB WD Red Plus WD40EFPX HDD |
Display(s) | 55-inch LG G3 OLED |
Case | Pichau Mancer CV500 White Edition |
Power Supply | EVGA 1300 G2 1.3kW 80+ Gold |
Mouse | Microsoft Classic Intellimouse |
Keyboard | Galax Stealth STL-03 |
Software | Windows 11 IoT Enterprise LTSC 24H2 |
Benchmark Scores | I pulled a Qiqi~ |
So with the release of Zen4 and raptor lake which both seem to be overvolted and running kinda hot, this could be a interesting topic again
Lets see who can make their hardware run the most efficient.. Ill start with my handtuned 7950x
PPT 250w, 160A TDC and 225A EDC limit = 40360 points (OBS: CPU only pulled 230w maximum)
- 4800MT/s memory with auto timings were used for all the runs.
- SOC draw alone is around ~10w (important for the lower PPT runs)
- PBO was used to limit the powerdraw for all runs, at the high-end (~above 120w) i'm pretty sure i could do a better job with static OC.
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PPT 210w, 140A TDC and 200A EDC limit = 40085 points (OBS: CPU only pulled 204w maximum)
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PPT 160w, 115A TDC and 175A EDC limit = 39068 points
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PPT 130w, 100A TDC and 160A EDC limit = 37344 points
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PPT 100w, 80A TDC and 150A EDC limit = 34574 points
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PPT 65w, 70A TDC and 130A EDC limit = 28387 points
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PPT 50w, 65A TDC and 125A EDC limit = 22832 points
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PPT 35w, 60A TDC and 120A EDC limit = 144667 points
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PPT 25w, 40A TDC and 80A EDC limit = 4180 points (cores were running at a wooping 500mhz each while rendering cinebench lol)
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At the lower end of the PPT scale the 7950x is limited by the chiplet design with SOC on a separate die drawing ~10w alone
At PPT limit 65w the cores had ~3.44w each
At PPT limit 50w the cores had ~2.5w each
At PPT limit 35w the cores had ~1.56w each
At PPT limit 25w the cores had ~0.93w each
A monolithic APU should be much better suited here.. Lets see them Raptor Lake results![]()
System Name | Mean machine |
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Processor | 12900k |
Motherboard | MSI Unify X |
Cooling | Noctua U12A |
Memory | 7600c34 |
Video Card(s) | 4090 Gamerock oc |
Storage | 980 pro 2tb |
Display(s) | Samsung crg90 |
Case | Fractal Torent |
Audio Device(s) | Hifiman Arya / a30 - d30 pro stack |
Power Supply | Be quiet dark power pro 1200 |
Mouse | Viper ultimate |
Keyboard | Blackwidow 65% |
I think the 12900k won this already, only the 13900k might be able to touch it. 35w = over 15k points.So with the release of Zen4 and raptor lake which both seem to be overvolted and running kinda hot, this could be a interesting topic again
Lets see who can make their hardware run the most efficient.. Ill start with my handtuned 7950x
PPT 250w, 160A TDC and 225A EDC limit = 40360 points (OBS: CPU only pulled 230w maximum)
- 4800MT/s memory with auto timings were used for all the runs.
- SOC draw alone is around ~10w (important for the lower PPT runs)
- PBO was used to limit the powerdraw for all runs, at the high-end (~above 120w) i'm pretty sure i could do a better job with static OC.
View attachment 266702
PPT 210w, 140A TDC and 200A EDC limit = 40085 points (OBS: CPU only pulled 204w maximum)
View attachment 266703
PPT 160w, 115A TDC and 175A EDC limit = 39068 points
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PPT 130w, 100A TDC and 160A EDC limit = 37344 points
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PPT 100w, 80A TDC and 150A EDC limit = 34574 points
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PPT 65w, 70A TDC and 130A EDC limit = 28387 points
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PPT 50w, 65A TDC and 125A EDC limit = 22832 points
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PPT 35w, 60A TDC and 120A EDC limit = 144667 points
View attachment 266709
PPT 25w, 40A TDC and 80A EDC limit = 4180 points (cores were running at a wooping 500mhz each while rendering cinebench lol)
View attachment 266710
At the lower end of the PPT scale the 7950x is limited by the chiplet design with SOC on a separate die drawing ~10w alone
At PPT limit 65w the cores had ~3.44w each
At PPT limit 50w the cores had ~2.5w each
At PPT limit 35w the cores had ~1.56w each
At PPT limit 25w the cores had ~0.93w each
A monolithic APU should be much better suited here.. Lets see them Raptor Lake results![]()
Processor | AMD Ryzen 5 5600@80W |
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Motherboard | MSI B550 Tomahawk |
Cooling | ZALMAN CNPS9X OPTIMA |
Memory | 2*8GB PATRIOT PVS416G400C9K@3733MT_C16 |
Video Card(s) | Sapphire Radeon RX 6750 XT Pulse 12GB |
Storage | Sandisk SSD 128GB, Kingston A2000 NVMe 1TB, Samsung F1 1TB, WD Black 10TB |
Display(s) | AOC 27G2U/BK IPS 144Hz |
Case | SHARKOON M25-W 7.1 BLACK |
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Power Supply | Seasonic Core GC 500W |
Mouse | Sharkoon SHARK Force Black |
Keyboard | Trust GXT280 |
Software | Win 7 Ultimate 64bit/Win 10 pro 64bit/Manjaro Linux |
System Name | 1. Glasshouse 2. Odin OneEye |
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Processor | 1. Ryzen 9 5900X (manual PBO) 2. Ryzen 9 7900X |
Motherboard | 1. MSI x570 Tomahawk wifi 2. Gigabyte Aorus Extreme 670E |
Cooling | 1. Noctua NH D15 Chromax Black 2. Custom Loop 3x360mm (60mm) rads & T30 fans/Aquacomputer NEXT w/b |
Memory | 1. G Skill Neo 16GBx4 (3600MHz 16/16/16/36) 2. Kingston Fury 16GBx2 DDR5 CL36 |
Video Card(s) | 1. Asus Strix Vega 64 2. Powercolor Liquid Devil 7900XTX |
Storage | 1. Corsair Force MP600 (1TB) & Sabrent Rocket 4 (2TB) 2. Kingston 3000 (1TB) and Hynix p41 (2TB) |
Display(s) | 1. Samsung U28E590 10bit 4K@60Hz 2. LG C2 42 inch 10bit 4K@120Hz |
Case | 1. Corsair Crystal 570X White 2. Cooler Master HAF 700 EVO |
Audio Device(s) | 1. Creative Speakers 2. Built in LG monitor speakers |
Power Supply | 1. Corsair RM850x 2. Superflower Titanium 1600W |
Mouse | 1. Microsoft IntelliMouse Pro (grey) 2. Microsoft IntelliMouse Pro (black) |
Keyboard | Leopold High End Mechanical |
Software | Windows 11 |