First Ryzen 7000-Series Pricing Posted by Canadian E-Tailer

[TheLostSwede]

Hi,
Yeah my bad for all the other rumors that make it in the news section.

I'm not saying there aren't a lot of news posts here that are based on rumours, but this isn't one of them, even though the information might not reflect the actual retail price accurately.

 

[ThrashZone]

I'm not saying there aren't a lot of news posts here that are based on rumours, but this isn't one of them, even though the information might not reflect the actual retail price accurately.

Hi,
Yeah I was just commenting from ZoneDymo's post and accidentally referred to this post as a rumor

First Ryzen 7000-Series Pricing Posted by Canadian E-Tailer

For those of you that are eagerly awaiting the Ryzen 7000-series CPUs, details of the potential pricing has appeared over at Canadian e-tailer DirectDial. @momomo_us was first to post the details on Twitter, but didn't provide any details of who the e-tailer was, but some sleuthing using the AMD...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[usiname]

Lets dont draw conclusion from this scamtailer

 

[TheLostSwede]

Lets dont draw conclusion from this scamtailer
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Well, there's two of 'em...

 

[Dirt Chip]

Regardless of those $ numbers that are insignificant - wait 2 month *after lunch* till the dust settles to know the day to day cup cost- what's more important and interesting is the cost of the whole package: cpu, ddr, mb together.

Then comper it to last 5000 gen and Intel's 12 and 13.

Because of the new AM5, cpu cost alone is indication of nothing.

 

[Daven]

The one thing i find weird about 7000 is how now it's AMD that's stuck selling the same core counts again and again.. Also feels premature to buy into DDR5, see ya next year with I guess ryzen 9000 because for no reason they skip numbers.

Technically Intel has been stuck at 8-10 cores for its P-cores over the last four generations going all the way back to the 9000 series. But they innovated the design with BIG.little to overcome the limitations of adding more than 8 P-cores in the current and upcoming generations.

However exceeding the limitation of 8 P-cores with E-cores does very little for single/lightly threaded tasks and gaming on the desktop. Intel also had to remove/disable AVX-512 to fit everything in the BIG.little monolithic chip power envelop.

So its difficult to look at anyone being stuck at number of cores these days.

 

[mechtech]

"Note that Canadian prices include anything between five and 15 percent sales tax and electronics and computer parts appear to be priced a fair bit higher in Canada than the US on average."

List prices in Canada typically are without the sales tax. In Ontario it's 13%, sometimes there is an e-waste fee also.

 

[TheLostSwede]

"Note that Canadian prices include anything between five and 15 percent sales tax and electronics and computer parts appear to be priced a fair bit higher in Canada than the US on average."

List prices in Canada typically are without the sales tax. In Ontario it's 13%, sometimes there is an e-waste fee also.

Fair enough, I thought Canada was smart enough to include the sales tax in prices.

 

[mechtech]

Fair enough, I thought Canada was smart enough to include the sales tax in prices.

lol nope. It's how we keep good at doing math in our heads

 

[Makaveli]

PC canada use to be my go to store when they had a store front but I stopped using them when they turned into an online store only as I found the prices went up alot.

I'll wait until Canada Computers list the cpu the pricing should be more accurate.

 

[dicobalt]

65W CPUs are dead now?

 

[ymdhis]

Leak the prices at $440, so when the prices are announced at $350 everyone will feel like it's a good deal, even though the same tier product used to cost $299 (and in the previous generation $259, before that $229...).
This is a classic marketing trick. You can also see it often in politics.

 

[HenrySomeone]

Ufff, if these prices are anywhere close to the real ones, then AyyyMD have truly overestimated the number of their most hardcore fanboys willing to buy anything at any price, so long it's not Intel. I can't wait for them to get wrecked real bad this time!

Technically Intel has been stuck at 8-10 cores for its P-cores over the last four generations going all the way back to the 9000 series. But they innovated the design with BIG.little to overcome the limitations of adding more than 8 P-cores in the current and upcoming generations.

However exceeding the limitation of 8 P-cores with E-cores does very little for single/lightly threaded tasks and gaming on the desktop. Intel also had to remove/disable AVX-512 to fit everything in the BIG.little monolithic chip power envelop.

So its difficult to look at anyone being stuck at number of cores these days.

Oh yeah? So how come even the 12600k has significantly better single thread and is faster than 5950x in every game out there? This notion that you need a certain number of "proper" cores (even if the overall multi thread is the same) is complete bullshit perpetuated by the redsters simply because having 16 biiiig cores is the only advantage they have left...

 

[freeagent]

Oh yeah? So how come even the 12600k has significantly better single thread and is faster than 5950x in every game out there?

Because its 2 years newer..

 

[HenrySomeone]

Because its 2 years newer..

Oh, it's 2 years now? There is indeed a relativity theory, but this is stretching even that one...

Ryzen 9 5950X	November 5, 2020

Core i5-12600K

November 2021

Also, the guy is stating that the limit of 8 P cores is doing nothing for single thread and gaming, which is a blatant lie, as Alder Lake improved massively on both compared to previous architectures. This lack of quite basic understanding coming from (supposed) staff members (Mussels is the primary offender in this regard) is really rather worrying...

 

[RegaeRevaeb]

lol nope. It's how we keep good at doing math in our heads

We can discount well enough, too. We dropped the "s" from "maths" faster than the Brits could say 'Bloody colonials'.

 

[samum]

So in USA the 7600x will be $300 and 7700x $450. Very pricy they are. I am very curious how do they will perform against the overclocked $150 Intel i5-12400F.

The problem with that is it takes a $600+ motherboard to overclock a $150 CPU.

 

[HenrySomeone]

The problem with that is it takes a $600+ motherboard to overclock a $150 CPU.

What's with the blatant lies lately?
ASUS ROG Strix B660-G Gaming WIFI Intel LGA 1700 Micro ATX DDR5 Motherboard - Newegg.com
In Europe, it's apparently even (much) cheaper:
ASUS ROG Strix B660-G Gaming WIFI (90MB18Y0-M0EAY0) starting from € 214.90 (2022) | Price Comparison Geizhals EU
And in a couple weeks there will be a sub $200 Msi Mortar available, using ddr4:
MAG B660M MORTAR MAX WIFI DDR4 (msi.com)

 

[applejuice]

WCCFTPU with the fearmongering click bait headlines again. I think I remember this being a decent news source at one point, but it's been so long and the memories are fuzzy.

 

[Vayra86]

What's with the blatant lies lately?
ASUS ROG Strix B660-G Gaming WIFI Intel LGA 1700 Micro ATX DDR5 Motherboard - Newegg.com
In Europe, it's apparently even (much) cheaper:
ASUS ROG Strix B660-G Gaming WIFI (90MB18Y0-M0EAY0) starting from € 214.90 (2022) | Price Comparison Geizhals EU
And in a couple weeks there will be a sub $200 Msi Mortar available, using ddr4:
MAG B660M MORTAR MAX WIFI DDR4 (msi.com)

Its called a joke. Lighten up and try it sometime. We dont need zealous defenders here for ANY brand. Isnt our game that of consumers looking for top deals?!

Try that perspective for a change Its much more enjoyable.

WCCFTPU with the fearmongering click bait headlines again. I think I remember this being a decent news source at one point, but it's been so long and the memories are fuzzy.

When was that? Prior to 2014 surely...

I honestly have a different impression, I think TPU's in a pretty good spot right now. Common sense reigns supreme in news articles here. Its not up everyone's alley, I guess... but its much better than regurgitating a press release a few dozen times per day.

 

[Daven]

Ufff, if these prices are anywhere close to the real ones, then AyyyMD have truly overestimated the number of their most hardcore fanboys willing to buy anything at any price, so long it's not Intel. I can't wait for them to get wrecked real bad this time!


Oh yeah? So how come even the 12600k has significantly better single thread and is faster than 5950x in every game out there? This notion that you need a certain number of "proper" cores (even if the overall multi thread is the same) is complete bullshit perpetuated by the redsters simply because having 16 biiiig cores is the only advantage they have left...

I don’t think you will be here long with such a poor attitude but I’ll bite. I said the addition of the E-cores doesn’t increase single threaded, light threaded and gaming tasks. The addition of E-cores guy. I never mentioned anything about clock and IPC increases of the P-cores. My comment was referring to someone saying AMD is stuck at 16 cores. Intel is also stuck at 8 P-cores. Maybe try calming down a bit.

 

[Oberon]

IF these prices are correct, AMD knows what they're doing. The performance of Raptor Lake is pretty much a known quantity due to leaks, and AMD knows exactly what they have. They can guess at Raptor Lake's pricing and will price appropriately. This means there are four potential scenarios:

1. The prices aren't real
2. Zen 4 and Raptor Lake will perform similarly and Raptor Lake is getting a big price increase over Alder Lake
3. Zen 4 performs better than Raptor Lake on average and is priced accordingly
4. AMD doesn't know what Raptor Lake pricing is going to look like and is initially increasing to rake in maximum profit before Raptor Lake's release (This one is the least likely)

 

[HenrySomeone]

Its called a joke. Lighten up and try it sometime. We dont need zealous defenders here for ANY brand. Isnt our game that of consumers looking for top deals?!

Ah yes, the ol' when you've been proven wrong, claim it was a joke. It certainly didn't feel like one, because that was true when the bclk option was first discovered, but hasn't been for nearly half a year now.

I don’t think you will be here long with such a poor attitude but I’ll bite. I said the addition of the E-cores doesn’t increase single threaded, light threaded and gaming tasks. The addition of E-cores guy. I never mentioned anything about clock and IPC increases of the P-cores. My comment was referring to someone saying AMD is stuck at 16 cores. Intel is also stuck at 8 P-cores. Maybe try calming down a bit.

Oh, and addition of more P cores would increase single threaded, lightly threaded and gaming tasks? We truly have ourselves a mensa member over here, folks!

IF these prices are correct, AMD knows what they're doing. The performance of Raptor Lake is pretty much a known quantity due to leaks, and AMD knows exactly what they have. They can guess at Raptor Lake's pricing and will price appropriately. This means there are four potential scenarios:

1. The prices aren't real
2. Zen 4 and Raptor Lake will perform similarly and Raptor Lake is getting a big price increase over Alder Lake
3. Zen 4 performs better than Raptor Lake on average and is priced accordingly
4. AMD doesn't know what Raptor Lake pricing is going to look like and is initially increasing to rake in maximum profit before Raptor Lake's release (This one is the least likely)

5. Availability will be woefully bad for the first couple months just like with Zen3, so they are counting on their most fanatical fan base to buy up the initial batches regardless of price, then after Raptor Lake launches a month or so later and (more importantly) the stocks improve, prices will drop (again, just like with Zen3) considerably.

 

[Daven]

Ah yes, the ol' when you've been proven wrong, claim it was a joke. It certainly didn't feel like one, because that was true when the bclk option was first discovered, but hasn't been for nearly half a year now.

Oh, and addition of more P cores would increase single threaded, lightly threaded and gaming tasks? We truly have ourselves a mensa member over here, folks!

Again we are talking about Intel providing more cores (up to 24 cores in Raptor Lake) and AMD being stuck at 16 P-cores which is what happened to the core series stuck at quad core in the past. So again I’m saying that more E-cores means Intel is also still stuck like AMD since they have not been able to provide more P-cores in their designs for the past four years. Both companies stuck with the same number of P-cores for awhile. Because of this single threaded, lightly threaded and gaming performance is only going up by changes within a SINGLE P-core. Adding more E-cores is not doing anything for these tasks.

 

[Oberon]

5. Availability will be woefully bad for the first couple months just like with Zen3, so they are counting on their most fanatical fan base to buy up the initial batches regardless of price, then after Raptor Lake launches a month or so later and (more importantly) the stocks improve, prices will drop (again, just like with Zen3) considerably.

Lots of wafer starts freed up by NVIDIA.