When will gpu prices return to normal.

[Dirt Chip]

TL;DR: If you're looking for high-end-adjacent performance for $350 or less, that's probably never happening. If what you want is equivalent or better performance in current titles for that same money, AMD has a 6600 XT they'd love to sell you.
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I appreciate the deep dive and work you did
6600xt actually looking very good by that stand point.
Problem is, it's price about 450$ in my country for the most very basic one, 530$ is the average...
Also, I do a lot of primer and Lightroom work so CUDA is a must for me.
In 'normal' days 6600xt might have been the go to card, but further price reduction is required.

 

[Valantar]

There is no bad product, there is a bad price.

Give me the Radeon RX 6800 XT for 300 euro, I will create that demand right now and buy the card.

And the logical fallacies just keep coming. "I'm not willing to buy one at the current price, so it must be bad value" is not a logically valid statement. And is "if flagship GPUs were dirt cheap, I'd buy more of them" supposed to be ... anything? Beyond just blindingly obvious?

Also, kind of hilarious for you to say there's no bad products, only bad pricing, when you've been saying things like

this piece of junk

The 6600 is a piece of junk because it's also a badly designed product

the 6600/XT is heavily limited, be it low VRAM, low shaders performance, low PCIe bandwidth, etc

So... is it "a piece of junk", "a badly designed product", or is it priced too high? You seem to be contradicting yourself quite explicitly here.

There is low demand - crucially, compared to supply - because there's been a two-year GPU shortage which is only partially an actual shortage, as it also came alongside an unprecedented spike in demand, which has now reversed as the demand spike has turned into a demand slump, while GPU stocks are high as chipmakers and card makers have been pushing production to meet that demand spike. There is not low demand because prices are too high - if that was the case, then there would have been no demand half a year ago when prices were 50% higher than now, no?

 

[HD64G]

GPU prices might never come back to normal in EU due to inflation, high VAT and $/€ ratio. In US they are already good enough imo.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

I appreciate the deep dive and work you did
6600xt actually looking very good by that stand point.
Problem is, it's price about 450$ in my country for the most very basic one, 530$ is the average...
Also, I do a lot of primer and Lightroom work so CUDA is a must for me.
In 'normal' days 6600xt might have been the go to card, but further price reduction is required.

You're welcome. Sorry to hear that your local pricing is still unfavorable. For something equivalent on the green side, you're looking at a 3060, which is around another hundred bones here. Which makes it, what, the equivalent of $600-650 where you live? That's mad. Maybe with time lower prices will filter through to other markets, and hopefully the Nvidia premium goes away. Markets usually sort themselves out. Eventually. Fingers crossed.

 

[Valantar]

I appreciate the deep dive and work you did
6600xt actually looking very good by that stand point.
Problem is, it's price about 450$ in my country for the most very basic one, 530$ is the average...
Also, I do a lot of primer and Lightroom work so CUDA is a must for me.
In 'normal' days 6600xt might have been the go to card, but further price reduction is required.

Where are you located? Do you have a high VAT/GST/sales tax? That drives a lot of increases over US MSRPs globally, though the US has also historically had some of the cheapest electronics in the world, in no small part due to it being a huge single market which keeps costs low, as well as the effects of a globally dominant currency.

If you need CUDA support I don't quite see why you're even considering AMD though. They do have emulation/translation layers, but so far they don't seem to have caught on with developers, so if you need CUDA, Nvidia is all there is.

 

[Dirt Chip]

Where are you located? Do you have a high VAT/GST/sales tax? That drives a lot of increases over US MSRPs globally, though the US has also historically had some of the cheapest electronics in the world, in no small part due to it being a huge single market which keeps costs low, as well as the effects of a globally dominant currency.

If you need CUDA support I don't quite see why you're even considering AMD though. They do have emulation/translation layers, but so far they don't seem to have caught on with developers, so if you need CUDA, Nvidia is all there is.

I`m from Israel (you can see the 'dead-sea' in my avatar).
We are a very small and quite isolated country from any big market channels.
Lot`s of VAT, other taxes, constraind avilabilty and all the goodis a centrilized market can offer

I`m not considering buying AMD GPU, just wanted to state, acording to the thred, that price are still pretty high. Yey, it is good to see that even today the option of 6600XT is here if gaming is your main thing. Actually, 3060 12GB`s are in the same price range as 6600XT so I might buy one next year if price cotinue to drop.

Also, some nostalgic from my part to the days fo 8800GT, 560TI (GPU`s I have owned) and as mentioned 970GTX level of pref/$$$.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

I`m from Israel (you can see the 'desd-sea' in my avatar pic).
We are a very small and quite isolated country from any big market channels.
Lot`s of VAT, other taxes, constraind avilabilty and all the goodis a centrilized market can offer

I`m not considering buying AMD GPU, just wanted to state, acording to the thred, that pricec still pretty high. Still, it is good to see that even today the option of 6600XT is here if gaming is your main thing. Actually, 3060 12GB`s are in the same price range as 6600XT so I might buy one next year if price cotinue to drop.

Also, some nostalgic from my part to the days fo 8800GT, 560TI (GPU`s I have owned) and as mentioned 970GTX level of pref/$$$.

Oh man, G92 was a great chip. I had a 9800GT that served me well for... five years? It was a long time ago. My next upgrade was to a 550 ti, so that says something to how long it was in my system.

 

[Dirt Chip]

Oh man, G92 was a great chip. I had a 9800GT that served me well for... five years? It was a long time ago. My next upgrade was to a 550 ti, so that says something to how long it was in my system.

Yep, me also 8800GT->560TI.
And for ancient history sake, ATI 3D Rage 2->NV TNT2->GeForce2 (Asus V7700)->GeForce6 (Gigabyte 6600, passively cooled) and so on.
Good times...

 

[ModEl4]

I remember GTX 1050Ti 4GB launched at $139 SRP and was powered only by Pci-express slot.
I wonder what year someone is going to be able to buy at $139 a Pci-express powered VGA with double the performance and memory of GTX 1050Ti.
RX6400 is around only 35% faster at 1080p, has the same memory and starting at $149 nearly 6 years after the launch of GTX 1050Ti.
It will need something 1.5X faster than RX6400 with double the memory.
I wonder how many more years it will take for the market to offer such an option!

 

[80-watt Hamster]

I remember GTX 1050Ti 4GB launched at $139 SRP and was powered only by Pci-express slot.
I wonder what year someone is going to be able to buy at $139 a Pci-express powered VGA with double the performance and memory of GTX 1050Ti.
RX6400 is around only 35% faster at 1080p, has the same memory and starting at $149 nearly 6 years after the launch of GTX 1050Ti.
It will need something 1.5X faster than RX6400 with double the memory.
I wonder how many more years it will take for the market to offer such an option!

Yeah, the low end of the market is way underserved. One would think the 3050 would fill that role, but it costs twice what it should in both watts and dollars.

 

[Dux]

Personally, I have to give up PC gaming. I cannot financially keep track with it any more. For the price of a single mid range GPU, I can buy a wholesome gaming system in the form of PS5 or XSX. It's not just the price of GPU's. But constantly increasing power demands as well. Which means a lot to me since I'm the one paying all the bills.

 

[Vario]

Personally, I have to give up PC gaming. I cannot financially keep track with it any more. For the price of a single mid range GPU, I can buy a wholesome gaming system in the form of PS5 or XSX. It's not just the price of GPU's. But constantly increasing power demands as well. Which means a lot to me since I'm the one paying all the bills.

I've mostly been playing the same 3 or 4 games for the last 5 years so I run a long upgrade cycle, but if you want to play the latest and greatest AAA hits then you are best off with the console.

 

[ModEl4]

Yeah, the low end of the market is way underserved. One would think the 3050 would fill that role, but it costs twice what it should in both watts and dollars.

Especially for Pci-express powered solutions at least for 2.5 years (Q1 2025) we are probably not going to have anything.
Even if there is a Navi 34 and AD10B i doubt we will see Pci-express powered versions (if there is going to be a Navi 34, it should be 6nm monolithic like Navi 33, probably with half RBs/texture units/SPs but with 24MB cache and 6GB memory and regarding AD10B i don't see it less than 2048 cuda cores in full implementation making difficult to curve out something in the RX6400 TDP vicinity)

 

[mb194dc]

In the UK 6900xt can be found for £699 now. Inflation? Not in graphics cards!

Next gen will be a blood bath, market has totally gone. The cyclical down swing has barely started. Reckon prices will go down another 30 to 50% in the next 2 years.

 

[Bomby569]

Personally, I have to give up PC gaming. I cannot financially keep track with it any more. For the price of a single mid range GPU, I can buy a wholesome gaming system in the form of PS5 or XSX.

that as always been the case, nothing changed.

It's not just the price of GPU's. But constantly increasing power demands as well. Which means a lot to me since I'm the one paying all the bills.

mid range pc doesn't take that much power if you don't go crazy, the problem is more on the high end.

 

[Dr. Dro]

In the UK 6900xt can be found for £699 now. Inflation? Not in graphics cards!

Next gen will be a blood bath, market has totally gone. The cyclical down swing has barely started. Reckon prices will go down another 30 to 50% in the next 2 years.

The least I have to spend to have an awesome flagship, the better!

 

[SpittinFax]

Personally, I have to give up PC gaming. I cannot financially keep track with it any more. For the price of a single mid range GPU, I can buy a wholesome gaming system in the form of PS5 or XSX. It's not just the price of GPU's. But constantly increasing power demands as well. Which means a lot to me since I'm the one paying all the bills.

I've stopped playing games but for different reasons. I play 1080p so hardware isn't a limitation, it's the fact that recent game releases and even games in general are incredibly boring now. There's no balance, either gameplay is too shallow to be engaging or requires too many hours of progression to be worthwhile. Nothing hits that sweet spot anymore.

But honestly that's not a bad thing. I'm enjoying my projects away from gaming so it doesn't feel like I'm missing out on anything.

 

[dragontamer5788]

In the UK 6900xt can be found for £699 now. Inflation? Not in graphics cards!

Next gen will be a blood bath, market has totally gone. The cyclical down swing has barely started. Reckon prices will go down another 30 to 50% in the next 2 years.

COVID19 messed with the cycle.

A lot of people upgraded in 2020 for the zoom calls / at home working, maybe 2021 because the prices got real bad. The new cycle will be 2020 (boom) and 2023 (bust). Maybe with everyone upgrading in 2025 or so for the next boom.

 

[tussinman]

Personally, I have to give up PC gaming. I cannot financially keep track with it any more. For the price of a single mid range GPU, I can buy a wholesome gaming system in the form of PS5 or XSX. It's not just the price of GPU's. But constantly increasing power demands as well. Which means a lot to me since I'm the one paying all the bills.

It's always been expensive.

Even 15 years ago a tower only build with a low clocked core 2 duo and a 8600gts would of been around $700-750 USD (equal to about 1000 in today's dollars) and that would of been considered mid range

 

[ppn]

With PS5 you get RX 5700 / RX 6600 equivalent, currently priced at $260 and ZEN2, so not that outrageous. The GPU part is now very outdated and needs a $100 price adjustment. so it might be cheaper overall, but it lacks the upgradeability and customization, except for Nvme and the side panel and the ability for PC workloads. and until recently it didn't support 1440p so it's either 4k30 or 1080/60, but no middle ground. Maybe I want 1440p/120. And you have to buy the mouse/ keyboard attachement to be able to compete at all.

 

[sepheronx]

GPU prices wont return to normal. hasn't been normal in years. Mid Range is now high end prices and has been for a long time.

People will continue to pay those prices too. So AMD and Nvidia knows people are fools. Look at motherboards and CPU prices now too. Only thing reasonable in price are NVME drivers. I always tell people if they want a PC with PS5 or Xbox series X performance, better shell out $1K CAD minimum.

With PS5 you get RX 5700 / RX 6600 equivalent, currently priced at $260 and ZEN2, so not that outrageous. The GPU part is now very outdated and needs a $100 price adjustment. so it might be cheaper overall, but it lacks the upgradeability and customization, except for Nvme and the side panel and the ability for PC workloads. and until recently it didn't support 1440p so it's either 4k30 or 1080/60, but no middle ground. Maybe I want 1440p/120. And you have to buy the mouse/ keyboard attachement to be able to compete at all.

More like 3700X in terms of CPU for cores and tech or whatnot but this is a good video:

Gaming as a whole sucks right now anyway. You do not need a high end PC to play majority of titles and upcoming titles. PS5 and Xbox series X are good value but there really isn't any games for them either worth picking up. I got a PS5 still sitting in its box as I have no need for it - games selection is abysmal.

 

[Bomby569]

GPU prices wont return to normal. hasn't been normal in years. Mid Range is now high end prices and has been for a long time.

People will continue to pay those prices too. So AMD and Nvidia knows people are fools. Look at motherboards and CPU prices now too. Only thing reasonable in price are NVME drivers. I always tell people if they want a PC with PS5 or Xbox series X performance, better shell out $1K CAD minimum.



More like 3700X in terms of CPU for cores and tech or whatnot but this is a good video:

Gaming as a whole sucks right now anyway. You do not need a high end PC to play majority of titles and upcoming titles. PS5 and Xbox series X are good value but there really isn't any games for them either worth picking up. I got a PS5 still sitting in its box as I have no need for it - games selection is abysmal.

With a PC you can do it incremental, start low and work your way up, for 3/4 of gamers i would gestimate, they don't upgrade every year and carry many old parts. A lot of people just do the old throw a new gpu into the old box.
Don't get detached from reality, most people aren't buying new parts every year, people are are not the norm.

Steve's last video was the most purchased PSU on Amazon, and was a 30$, or something like that, thermaltake

 

[sepheronx]

With a PC you can do it incremental, start low and work your way up, for 3/4 of gamers i would gestimate, they don't upgrade every year and carry many old parts. A lot of people just do the old throw a new gpu into the old box.
Don't get detached from reality, most people aren't buying new parts every year, people are are not the norm.

Steve's last video was the most purchased PSU on Amazon, and was a 30$, or something like that, thermaltake

I agree, you can do incremental. But it also ends up being quite expensive over time from experience. Most gamers don't upgrade often though and I think the GTX 1060 6gb is still most popular GPU in gaming currently.

You will be surprised how many do buy parts every year. I dont want you to get detached from reality either.

None of that matters though and nothing to do with what I am saying and is a pointless conversation. The facts are in yours and my face. Prices on components are through the roof and it isn't coming down, at least not anytime soon. People are still buying them. Otherwise, they wouldn't be priced at what they are.

 

[80-watt Hamster]

I agree, you can do incremental. But it also ends up being quite expensive over time from experience. Most gamers don't upgrade often though and I think the GTX 1060 6gb is still most popular GPU in gaming currently.

You will be surprised how many do buy parts every year. I dont want you to get detached from reality either.

None of that matters though and nothing to do with what I am saying and is a pointless conversation. The facts are in yours and my face. Prices on components are through the roof and it isn't coming down, at least not anytime soon. People are still buying them. Otherwise, they wouldn't be priced at what they are.

That's true for graphics, and to a lesser extent power supplies and motherboards. But you get more processor for a given amount of money than at any point in history, same for memory and storage. PSU/MB pricing is being held up by component costs, and graphics is resisting drops because retailers are trying to recoup their sunk costs. Downward price corrections almost always take much longer than the rise. We've seen AMD prices steadily slide over the past several months. I expect Nvidia's will follow within perhaps another six. A 3050 can't cost more than a 6600 forever. Can it?

 

[sepheronx]

That's true for graphics, and to a lesser extent power supplies and motherboards. But you get more processor for a given amount of money than at any point in history, same for memory and storage. PSU/MB pricing is being held up by component costs, and graphics is resisting drops because retailers are trying to recoup their sunk costs. Downward price corrections almost always take much longer than the rise. We've seen AMD prices steadily slide over the past several months. I expect Nvidia's will follow within perhaps another six. A 3050 can't cost more than a 6600 forever. Can it?

Motherboards replaced CPU's in the cost department. CPU's were in the past ridiculously expensive in various model. But, motherboards I do not remember being as expensive as they are now and they are now going up from the sounds of it. So they just swapped places.