Xeon Owners Club

[Edwired]

the adapters are fine, the additional pins are ground.

I would rather used the full 8 pin than 6 pin on it own as the grounds would be needed to complete the circuit than something blowing up

 

[johnspack]

I knew no one would believe me.... but this thing is coming up... now that I know it's alive I'll be bringing it home:

It did end up booting win10... but an old install that I will be replacing....

Well, if you want xeons... well this thing has 2 of them. It weighs like 80lbs... but I'm going to drag it home. x5860 x2 + 64 gbs of ram, but I think 3 sticks are being used as ecc.
I'll have to change that. It has 4x sas drives, and a hardware sas raid controller built in. Only 2 usb ports I've found so far that I used for keyboard and mouse.
It has an added video card with hdmi and dp outs, but I haven't figured out how to use those yet... the vga out does give 1080. You have to listen to a lot of fan
screaming when it's booting... most fucking loud computer you've ever heard.... truly.... but it mellows out once booted.

 

[RadeonProVega]

Has anyone use CPU v4's on a 7810 or 5810 desktop dell precision? Do V4 cpus fit on 5810's or 7810' I'm using a 2678 v3.
Manufacturer Dell Inc.
Model 0WR1RF (SOCKET 1)
Version A04
Chipset Vendor Intel
Chipset Model Haswell-E
Chipset Revision 02
Southbridge Vendor Intel
Southbridge Model X99
Southbridge Revision 05

 

[Toothless]

Has anyone use CPU v4's on a 7810 or 5810 desktop dell precision? Do V4 cpus fit on 5810's or 7810' I'm using a 2678 v3.
Manufacturer Dell Inc.
Model 0WR1RF (SOCKET 1)
Version A04
Chipset Vendor Intel
Chipset Model Haswell-E
Chipset Revision 02
Southbridge Vendor Intel
Southbridge Model X99
Southbridge Revision 05

V3 and V4 are same socket. Check for bios updates and CPU compatibility.

 

[RadeonProVega]

V3 and V4 are same socket. Check for bios updates and CPU compatibility.

Alright thanks.

 

[johnspack]

Yep.. x99 can run Broadwell. I had to settle for ordering a 2699v3 because the prices jump pretty big for v4s..... at least double...
Make sure your mobo has latest bios update. Or at least one that includes v4 cpus... some older boards may need an update.

 

[Toothless]

My x99 ran my 2698v4 for a bit before getting a dual socket. Was fine with the 128GB ECC.

Gigabyte x99, can't remember exact model.

 

[RadeonProVega]

Is there any reason to upgrade to a newer chip from 2678 v3? I was looking at a E5-2683 v4, or should i even bother?

 

[Toothless]

Is there any reason to upgrade to a newer chip from 2678 v3? I was looking at a E5-2683 v4, or should i even bother?

Better IPC or clocks. Haswell to Broadwell. If your chip works, no need to change unless you need the performance.

My jump was from V2 (Ivy Bridge) to V4. Definitely was a difference.

 

[johnspack]

Well, since no oc yet, thought I'd put this here:

Well, seems the bios turbo mod does not work on C1 steppings of this cpu. So it now becomes a pure server box. I pulled the 1070 out of it and put in an rx570. Plenty enough for what it's going to do. Now to move my 20 or so vms over, and my music collection. It might as well be a media server as well. Time to put all these 2.8ghz threads to work!
This is why you want more cores for a server.... here's 3 oses each using 6 threads, and mostly updating themselves.... also I badly need another 32gbs ram...:

Here's why you want more cores..... this is just 3 oses with 6 threads each... some updating.... now I need more ram too.....

 

[RadeonProVega]

I upgrade from a 2678 v3 to a 2683 v4 and i see absolutely no difference in performance whatsoever. I don't get it, it has more cache, etc what cpu will be better, because I'm sending this cpu back.
Rest of my destktop is dell precsion 5810, 32GB ddr4 memory, Radeon Pro W6600 8GB GDDR6.

 

[Toothless]

Less boost clock, more cores. Single thread would be the same but multithread would be more. Technically it is better for bigger tasks.

 

[RadeonProVega]

Less boost clock, more cores. Single thread would be the same but multithread would be more. Technically it is better for bigger tasks.

So is there any point in upgrading from a 2678 v3, if so, what CPU do you recommend? No big deal really, i can play any game perfectly fine using the CPU i have, was wondering though.

 

[Toothless]

So is there any point in upgrading from a 2678 v3, if so, what CPU do you recommend? No big deal really, i can play any game perfectly fine using the CPU i have, was wondering though.

I use 2698v4. I don't game though, just game servers and storage.

 

[johnspack]

If you want a fast v4 16 core, then it's the 2697A, base clock on the 2683 is 2.1, turbo is 3... the 2697A it's 2.6 and 3.6ghz. But it's double the price.
Your old cpu is an oem model, I can't find and real info on it, might be it has high turbo. Also you can run the turbo hack on v3s, but not v4s....

 

[lexluthermiester]

I upgrade from a 2678 v3 to a 2683 v4 and i see absolutely no difference in performance whatsoever. I don't get it, it has more cache, etc what cpu will be better, because I'm sending this cpu back.
Rest of my destktop is dell precsion 5810, 32GB ddr4 memory, Radeon Pro W6600 8GB GDDR6.

You gained 4 cores, but lost 400mhz per core and a lot of boost. If you're gaming, the 12c/24t is the better CPU. For gaming on that platform you really should have gone with a 2643V4(6c/12t) or a 2667V4(8c16t).

 

[Socket2011]

Wow , never knew there was a XEON club !
I had many of them , started with a H55 socket 1156 (for 12$usd) .. 2 years ago. Never looked back.
Love my new socket 2011-3 E5-2680v4. Quite the beast for 55$ .
V4 is better than V3 , power wise. Only 95W to beat a I7-10700K in Passmark (19250).
My whole house is socket 2011's (E5-2660v1 , E5-2680v2, and my new 2680v4).
Best processor family out there ... never even a glitch.

 

[Toothless]

Well, it's good to enjoy a kind of processor, though also remember very few are good for single threaded things.

 

[Socket2011]

Well, it's good to enjoy a kind of processor, though also remember very few are good for single threaded things.

How many single threaded things are left ? And where can you get 250$ perf for 55$ ?
My gaming son has that 10700K(279$). I took his GTX 1080 and put it in my last Xeon rig (the V3). He said "no difference" (except $$$).

PS - built nearly the whole above system for what he paid for the 10700 + MB....

 

[Toothless]

How many single threaded things are left ? And where can you get 250$ perf for 55$ ?
My gaming son has that 10700K(279$). I took his GTX 1080 and put it in my last Xeon rig (the V3). He said "no difference" (except $$$).

PS - built nearly the whole above system for what he paid for the 10700 + MB....

Plenty of games are still 1-2 thread, and you won't bottleneck a 1080 unless you're running a 4770k. You're probably seeing the turbo kick in and that's why you won't see a difference, and GPU bound.

 

[Socket2011]

Plenty of games are still 1-2 thread, and you won't bottleneck a 1080 unless you're running a 4770k. You're probably seeing the turbo kick in and that's why you won't see a difference, and GPU bound.

I guess that's why he "splurged" for his 10700. I do audio DSP and video. Most of what I do "likes" 28 threads. I also like 55$ processors !! BTW , he passed up my offer of that free V3 xeon ,
and bought the new Intel. I used his old 2133mhz memory pair (and bought 2 more) to get 60GB 4-channel memory bandwidth. Recycle his old stuff.

 

[Dr. Dro]

This is a R23 result from my E5-4669 v3, which was a special variant of the E5-2699 v3 intended for quad-socket servers. I bought it in early 2017 (so a little under 2 years after this SKU's release) for around $600 unused, in server spare case and in mint condition, it's been in my care ever since. It's a finalized QS (presumably from the first production run), behaves and runs the same microcode as the retail unit, it simply has the ES bit set in CPUID.

It's actually running R23 at 2.4 due to hardcoded AVX offset on this SKU, which is -500 MHz on 18 cores active. Microcode was removed from the BIOS so it always boots pure, enabling use of TSX instructions (disabled by Intel due to a bug on microcodes newer than 0x1F) and also applying the 1T turbo multiplier to all cores (the erratum that's known as the turbo trick), I can either let Windows load the latest microcode, or load the version I want with the help of a driver.

Trusty as it may be, the single-threaded performance is dismal - it's roughly the same as you would get from a Piledriver AMD FX processor at ~4 GHz (FX-8350 or thereabouts). You will feel this compared to any modern CPU regardless of the workload. Funny thing: 5 years on it still produces "Mystery Machine" results in 3DMark. It does not know this SKU at all

 

[Toothless]

I guess that's why he "splurged" for his 10700. I do audio DSP and video. Most of what I do "likes" 28 threads. I also like 55$ processors !! BTW , he passed up my offer of that free V3 xeon ,
and bought the new Intel. I used his old 2133mhz memory pair (and bought 2 more) to get 60GB 4-channel memory bandwidth. Recycle his old stuff.

I get where you're coming from, trust me. I started with a dual socket 2680v2 w/ 64GB 1600 ECC. I ran multiple GPUs on it and everything was... Behind my 4790k. Gotta remember V3 chips are Haswell, just with DDR4.

I'm running a dual 2698v4 with 128GB 2133 ECC since I needed capacity over raw single thread. If it's a game or single threaded thing, I'll run it on my 5950x. If it's the 10 virtual machines, four games servers, BOINC, Discord bots, etc? Sits on the server.

Fun fact: two 2698v4 is the same multithread power as a 5950x. 80 threads to 32. This is what I mean by capacity versus raw power. Games will always run better on the 5950x just by clock speed alone. Games ran better even on my previous 3700x.

And, yes, I have tested the middle ground between consumer and server. My 1920x with core enhance on does game pretty well, but it's like.. three 4790k's glued together.


I should mention I do have a 1680v2 that overclocks to 4.4ghz very easily. The 16xx and 16xxv2 are typically unlocked and really fun to mess with. My 1650v1 hit.. 4.7 I believe. Sadly the 1680v2 will only match a 1800x in CPUz, but it's still a damn good Ivy Bridge.

 

[Dr. Dro]

I get where you're coming from, trust me. I started with a dual socket 2680v2 w/ 64GB 1600 ECC. I ran multiple GPUs on it and everything was... Behind my 4790k. Gotta remember V3 chips are Haswell, just with DDR4.

I'm running a dual 2698v4 with 128GB 2133 ECC since I needed capacity over raw single thread. If it's a game or single threaded thing, I'll run it on my 5950x. If it's the 10 virtual machines, four games servers, BOINC, Discord bots, etc? Sits on the server.

Fun fact: two 2698v4 is the same multithread power as a 5950x. 80 threads to 32. This is what I mean by capacity versus raw power. Games will always run better on the 5950x just by clock speed alone. Games ran better even on my previous 3700x.

I'll undersign as a fellow 5950X owner

I must say though I was surprised at how well a few games still run OK on that Xeon, though. Amongst them, surprisingly Apex still ran awesome, and that's my jam right there!

 

[Socket2011]

Rysen 9 5950X ??? That's threadripper territory. 45000 on passmark ? damn !!! I'm the type to buy 6 of my Corsair 520hx PS's for 40$ with bad caps... and recap them.
I don't even buy cases , find them in the bin (pix) , made the front cover out of 1/8" aluminum with a hacksaw and file (he he).
I would like a Rysen , but could hook up the whole neighborhood with workstations for that price.