RTX 4070 paired with Ryzen 1700x

[Cvrk]

My specs are below my avatar. Please don't troll, this is a serious question and I am legit considering this:
Can I add the upcoming RTX 4070 to my rig? Is it useless/a waste of money? How big do you think the bottleneck will be?

I've seen most videos where the 1700x was paired with the rtx 3080. Depending on the game he was losing almost 10-20fps because of the old cpu, still the performance was well above 100fps on everything played.
RTX 3080 vs RTX 4070 and 3080 vs 4070
Strange how this guy is getting EXACT same frames with his rtx3080 that I get with my 5700xt in FarCry 5. How is this possible?
1700x with rtx 3080
I also understand that the higher the resolution the more the CPU won't matter that much as shown here I game at 2k resolution monitor or 4k on my TV.

 

[R0H1T]

Yes it could be majorly bottlenecked by 1700x, I'd get at least a 5700x (5600?) if I were planning an upgrade.

 

[Bomby569]

At 4K you could probably get away with it in most titles, at 2k you should definetly upgrade the cpu, why not buy a 5600 for example, they are relatively cheap.

 

[JrRacinFan]

It's going to be a matter of the refresh on the displays that are going to be used. If you mainly play eSports titles competitively without vsync for the frames and lesser quantity of 1% lows then I can see 5600X being a good use case scenario to upgrade to it. Because moving from a 5700XT to a 4070 will be (speculating) a big jump in eye candy details. Say if you get 144fps on low in **insert game here** you would then be able to get the same pushing ultra details.

 

[N/A]

Even a 5800X shows weakness so you can buy 4070 and then upgrade if you feel the need. But unless it's a 6GHz Raptor/Zen4 just don't bother. Whatever the bottleneck It won't be felt like a dual core and be vomit inducing. Actually the 0,1% lows may be lower on first gen Zen, that can be felt like stuttering. Of course, the GPU is not always fully loaded unless you increase the settings or resolution.

 

[Cvrk]

@JrRacinFan esports are out of the question. I need all the eye candy I can get, cuz even if I do spend few hours in Warzone, most games are single player/coop. Like the upcoming Gotham Knights,and Hogwards Legacy etc.

@N/A so get it and then if it's horrible just pony up for a 5700x

 

[Mussels]

My specs are below my avatar. Please don't troll, this is a serious question and I am legit considering this:
Can I add the upcoming RTX 4070 to my rig? Is it useless/a waste of money? How big do you think the bottleneck will be?

I've seen most videos where the 1700x was paired with the rtx 3080. Depending on the game he was losing almost 10-20fps because of the old cpu, still the performance was well above 100fps on everything played.
RTX 3080 vs RTX 4070 and 3080 vs 4070
Strange how this guy is getting EXACT same frames with his rtx3080 that I get with my 5700xt in FarCry 5. How is this possible?
1700x with rtx 3080
I also understand that the higher the resolution the more the CPU won't matter that much as shown here I game at 2k resolution monitor or 4k on my TV.

Having owned every version of ryzen so far:
Yes, you'll be bottlenecked.

What so many forget is that a bottleneck isn't a yes/no, simple question and answer.


The key here is that even if you lower all settings to minimum, there is an FPS ceiling your older CPU will never pass.
No GPU upgrade will ever fix that, only a faster CPU will.

If that FPS ceiling is enough for you (60FPS at 4K, etc) - then the bottleneck will not be an issue

If you intend for 120Hz+ monitor usage? upgrade that CPU.

 

[JrRacinFan]

so get it and then if it's horrible just pony up for a 5700x

Whatever you can afford at the time whether it be Intel's or amds offerings. I'm certain you kind of know what to look for also @Mussels is spot on. He's been doing this even longer than I have listen to em

 

[jormungand]

My specs are below my avatar. Please don't troll, this is a serious question and I am legit considering this:
Can I add the upcoming RTX 4070 to my rig? Is it useless/a waste of money? How big do you think the bottleneck will be?

I've seen most videos where the 1700x was paired with the rtx 3080. Depending on the game he was losing almost 10-20fps because of the old cpu, still the performance was well above 100fps on everything played.
RTX 3080 vs RTX 4070 and 3080 vs 4070
Strange how this guy is getting EXACT same frames with his rtx3080 that I get with my 5700xt in FarCry 5. How is this possible?
1700x with rtx 3080
I also understand that the higher the resolution the more the CPU won't matter that much as shown here I game at 2k resolution monitor or 4k on my TV.

look what is happening to me, even at my resolution.

What are you playing?

I had a deal for the zombie chronicles in Call of Duty Black Ops 3, so I've been playing those maps. I wish it had some of the zombie maps from Black Ops 2.

www.techpowerup.com

scroll down and look the problem im having with my 5600x and the rtx 3080
I see 98% usage in Doom Eternal, yesterday i tested SottR and usage was 98% too till i got to crowded areas and i started seen the dips cuz bottleneck.
Cyberpunk looks like is eating all core and threads from my 5600x. 3440 x1440p still need more cores more powa!!!

Too bad if you want an upgrade on the cpu ( that im starting to consider myself) that we will need to wait for that 5800x3d to come really low on price cuz right now its hitting harder than what i remember my moms beating

 

[AleXXX666]

At 4K you could probably get away with it in most titles, at 2k you should definetly upgrade the cpu, why not buy a 5600 for example, they are relatively cheap.

5600X is way better.

 

[Bomby569]

5600X is way better.

the difference in real world is very small, buy whatever is cheaper.

 

[AleXXX666]

Even a 5800X shows weakness so you can buy 4070 and then upgrade if you feel the need. But unless it's a 6GHz Raptor/Zen4 just don't bother. Whatever the bottleneck It won't be felt like a dual core and be vomit inducing. Actually the 0,1% lows may be lower on first gen Zen, that can be felt like stuttering. Of course, the GPU is not always fully loaded unless you increase the settings or resolution.

5800X is very good cpu lmfao. but yeah if you play stupid devs games then even 5950X will be an issue lol. and changing whole platform is stupid unless you have crappy cheap mobo.

 

[P4-630]

5600X is way better.

Better buy 8+ core or better to minimize the bottleneck with a next GPU upgrade imo...

 

[AleXXX666]

the difference in real world is very small, buy whatever is cheaper.

the difference is better memory controller and better oc potential. like every X-ed ryzen. now i'm teached of skimping and buying 2600, 2700, 3600 non X versions and having disappointments lol, that's why i wasted $50 more for X version now, always thought the same - "X is overprice for majors like Intel K"

Better buy 8+ core or better to minimize the bottleneck with a next GPU upgrade imo...

better get 4K monitor if you play that big with gpu lol. there are no big deal between 1080p and 1440p, 4K picture is massively larger so better looking lol

 

[Bomby569]

Better buy 8+ core or better to minimize the bottleneck with a next GPU upgrade imo...

do games really scale meaningfully from 6 to 8 in 2022?

 

[jesdals]

If we even see RTX 4070 in 2022 I would consider a new PSU - but pcie 5.0 on a 3.0 board/cpu would be a factor as well.

 

[P4-630]

do games really scale meaningfully from 6 to 8 in 2022?

Well, even an old title as GTA V uses all my 8 P cores....

 

[Bomby569]

Well, even an old title as GTA V uses all my 8 P cores....

wasn't GTA V notorious for only use one or 2 cores? that's news to me

 

[P4-630]

wasn't GTA V notorious for only use one or 2 cores? that's news to me

You don't seem to own/played the game I see.
Otherwise you would have known.

Here's an example of a 5600x bottlenecking an RTX 3080:

ive been testing my new asus tuf rtx 3080 12gb mostly on Cyberpunk 2077 and my gpu usage doesn't go higher than 90%
maybe 95% and goes down to 70s % 80s %.

He's playing @ 3440x1440p uncapped fps.

What are you playing?

I had a deal for the zombie chronicles in Call of Duty Black Ops 3, so I've been playing those maps. I wish it had some of the zombie maps from Black Ops 2.

www.techpowerup.com

 

[Mussels]

do games really scale meaningfully from 6 to 8 in 2022?

Not really because the boost of Zen3 CPU's is within 100-300MHz of each other

I've got my 5800x all core clocked to 4.6GHz, any zen 3 with the 32MB cache would behave the same for gaming at that clock speed - and with DLSS i'm gaming away at 4K 210FPS in DRG (DX12 unreal engine - 3x my 70Hz refresh rate with fast Vsync) or stuck at 40FPS in starcraft II late game because the damn thing syncs with other players, if they lag i lag.

It's like my NVME load times with RAM cache - I can load into DRG instantly, but when I play with one of my friends her PC takes almost 2 minutes to load

Outside of benchmarks there is a threshold where more doesnt really benefit you any longer - at present i'd say the 5600x or 5700x are the best 'gamers' choices because we need some serious GPU power for them to be limited at all (I think the 11400F and 12400F are the intel equivalents, that dont use insane wattages but can still achieve high FPS when not GPU limited)


Oh and cyberpunk is a problem unique to itself - remember early on when it needed hex edit patches to work properly on AMD CPU's at all? It was broken on 4 and 6 core CPUs, and also used to use AVX for minor tasks which caused intel CPU's to throttle down - be wary of any performance results you see to make sure they're post-patch

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

IIRC the 40- series is supposed to still use PCIe 4.0, but that B350 could be a bit of a hit even if you upgrade CPU. Not too likely, but still possible.

Honestly, though, if playing at 1440 I reckon you will be much more likely to be CPU bound in games than have a GPU bottleneck.

 

[Cvrk]

@Count von Schwalbe using your theory ....i mean. I does not make sense to me. Right now I can see second-hand rtx3070Ti for almost the price of a new 5700x CPU. If I read corectly. I should get the cpu instead of the gpu cuz I will benefit more for 2k resolutions.

@AleXXX666 back in the days from what I understood Linus was saying that the X was better-binned cpus. Meaning that they can be overclocked higher.
I see a massive difference between 1080p and 2k resolution. Absolutely massive. I will never go back to 1080! Never.

In Elder Ring, in 1080 when looking at the map the sites of grace(save points) were low ress and couldn't make out the actual image. In 2k everything was in focus and clear.
In Warzone in 1080p you bearly can see players and that will get you killed. In 2k i see players immediately and their movement is clear.
Valhalla (which I am playing right now) in 1080 looks bad. Same settings in 2k it all comes to live. I can't explain it in 1080 everything is smudged, and nothing is clear or in focus.

@jesdals yes. I think you are right. Buying a Rtx 4070 will also force me to buy a new PSU.
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From all your advice. I think 4070 is complete overkill and a waste of money. I am considering a second-hand rtx 3070Ti.
I might get 10 more FPS with a better cpu on the same graphics card. But I think i can gain more with the same cpu and a better card.

 

[Arco]

Now try 1080P at 32-inch screen sizes! :vomit:

 

[ir_cow]

Put it this way. Going from a 3800X to 5800X was a 30% increase at 1080 max settings for a majority of games I tested. Using a 1700X, its easily 50% perf loss just from the cpu. So either you upgrade to at 5800X or play at 4K for that 4070.

 

[mclaren85]

Having owned every version of ryzen so far:
Yes, you'll be bottlenecked.

Do you think I gain noticeable difference if I switch from 3900x to 5900x ?