Microsoft Unveils the Windows 11 2022 Update, Available Today

[R-T-B]

Hmmm... I will wait, let others test first...

It's been gold since Spring and I've been using it for months.

 

[Solaris17]

Eh, it seems to work more like a whitelist/blacklist.

What is Smart App Control? - Microsoft Support

Smart App Control is a feature of Windows 11 that helps to block malicious, untrusted, or potentially unwanted apps from running on your device.

support.microsoft.com

murr consumer applocker lame.

 

[R-T-B]

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You mean this. Yes, you still need a clean install. And due to how it works, it will likely remain that way for a long time.

I would personally never use this anyways.

 

[LifeOnMars]

Just checking, my system is running fantastic (on 21h2) and I don't want to mess around with this new update. If I leave updates alone will it auto install (ie forced on me) or does it come up as optional?

 

[sam_86314]

I'll continue waiting for Windows 11 LTSC, assuming they don't ruin it.

LTSC for life.

 

[P4-630]

If I leave updates alone will it auto install (ie forced on me) or does it come up as optional?

Microsoft Unveils the Windows 11 2022 Update, Available Today

Today, the Windows 11 2022 Update rolls out in 190+ countries. The last few years have brought enduring changes in the ways we live, work and learn, with the PC playing a more critical role in our daily lives. Online options that didn't previously exist for meetings, appointments, everyday tasks...

www.techpowerup.com

 

[windwhirl]

I'm gonna quote myself here, to re-explain Smart App control once more

What is Smart App Control? - Microsoft Support

Smart App Control is a feature of Windows 11 that helps to block malicious, untrusted, or potentially unwanted apps from running on your device.

support.microsoft.com

There's a bit more depth of an explanation there, but the TLDR of it is:
1-For developers, this feature, once it's enabled rather massively, will encourage them to sign their software (software signing also means that it's possible to identify a developer in the real world)
2-The order of priorities is like this:
2.1: Check if the app is popular or well-known, if that's the case let it run (my understanding is that by this point Windows Defender or your antimalware of choice already said it's clean)
2.2: if the app isn't popular, check for a signature, if it's digitally signed it can still run, otherwise it's considered not trustworthy.
3-Smart App Control has an "evaluation" mode. In Microsoft's words:

Essentially, we're looking to see if Smart App Control is going to get in your way too often. There are some legitimate tasks that some corporate users, developers, or others may do regularly that may not be a great experience with Smart App Control running. If we detect during evaluation mode that you're one of those users, we'll automatically turn Smart App Control off so you can work with fewer interruptions.

4-Regarding manual whitelisting, there's none. It's turned on or off for everything, no exceptions.
5-About why Microsoft wants a clean install, I quote:

We want to be sure that there aren't already untrusted apps running on the device when we turn Smart App Control on.

I would personally never use this anyways.

Same. I use a lot of uncommon and not-signed software, so Smart App Control is a big no for me.

 

[Solaris17]

I'm gonna quote myself here, to re-explain Smart App control once more





Same. I use a lot of uncommon and not-signed software, so Smart App Control is a big no for me.

Same I wonder how it handles decompilers or even IDEs when your making new software versions (before signing). Though I suppose it doesn’t matter. You would have your AV off if you were probing hardware address space anyway during testing. This is probably just targeting your families PC. Devs will shut it off and enterprises will maintain applocker.

 

[zlobby]

If history has taught us anything, it's never to deploy a Windows update on day one.

 

[Veseleil]

If history has taught us anything, it's never to deploy a Windows update on day one.

Well, what I have learned from it is to never use any Windows version that needs any kind of updates. Ever again.

 

[windwhirl]

If history has taught us anything, it's never to deploy a Windows update on day one.

*chuckles nervously in using Insider Dev builds on my daily driver all the time

 

[ARF]

I've just installed it. The installation lasted 30 minutes from the Windows Update download and install button click to desktop ready installed.

It is terrible.

The Task Manager looks so ugly now.
There is literally no contrast/visibility in the cores utilisation area:

Unfortunately, I have to stick with it because I fear that Windows 10 doesn't fully support my configuration as is.

 

[Space Lynx]

I loved linux especially mint. Issue I had was I absolutely hated putting in an admin password just to wipe my ass at that point. I tried the guides to disable it but didn't work. It was as annoying as UAC on windows.

During the install setup of a clean install of Linux Mint, I think you must have accidently checked something... I have no issue at all like this. I type in my main PW to login to linux mint, and thats it.

 

[zlobby]

*chuckles nervously in using Insider Dev builds on my daily driver all the time

You:

I've just installed it. The installation lasted 30 minutes from the Windows Update download and install button click to desktop ready installed.

It is terrible.

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The Task Manager looks so ugly now.
There is literally no contrast/visibility in the cores utilisation area:

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Unfortunately, I have to stick with it because I fear that Windows 10 doesn't fully support my configuration as is.

Thanks for taking one for the team!

 

[lexluthermiester]

Hmmm... I will wait, let others test first...

I've been trying it out. It's good. A lot of quirks and odd glitches fixed, the whole desktop "feels" more smooth. Still on the fence about tabs in the file manager, but I can see it's usefulness.

It is terrible.

You're one of those people that liked Windows 8, aren't you..

There is literally no contrast/visibility in the cores utilisation area:

It's called "Personalization". Change your color scheme or your whole desktop theme. Seriously, learn how to use Windows customizations properly.

 

[sepheronx]

During the install setup of a clean install of Linux Mint, I think you must have accidently checked something... I have no issue at all like this. I type in my main PW to login to linux mint, and thats it.

I'll go back and take a look

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

I've been trying it out. It's good. A lot of quirks and odd glitches fixed, the whole desktop "feels" more smooth. Still on the fence about tabs in the file manager, but I can see it's usefulness.


You're one of those people that liked Windows 8, aren't you..


It's called "Personalization". Change your color scheme or your whole desktop theme. Seriously, learn how to use Windows customizations properly.

Nothing like having to personalize OS colors because the defaults are utterly unusable, just like every other windows version....wait.

Maybe MS should stop borking windows? Now, that would take effort!

During the install setup of a clean install of Linux Mint, I think you must have accidently checked something... I have no issue at all like this. I type in my main PW to login to linux mint, and thats it.

I think he's referring to the default behaviour or requiring your password to install or update apps. IDK why he's getting it constantly, only time I saw that was a borked install that had a broken keychain.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Nothing like having to personalize OS colors because the defaults are utterly unusable

That depends on who you talk to. I know people that think the default is perfectly fine and even elegant, but clearly not everyone agrees. This is why personalization features exist.

 

[dozenfury]

I can see the value of the Smart App Control in businesses that want to control what their users put on their machine. But for a home user, it's way too sensitive about flagging apps. It can even be a quite well known app that gets an update and that can be flagged as "unknown" if not enough people have used it yet. No thank ye.

For this one, I also think it's even more than just the typical waiting for others to try a Windows update out for a few months thing. Beyond any bugs, they way they've implemented SAC makes it look this might not be a very viable update for at least power home users until developers catch up and make sure that all applications are signed.

 

[utmode]

wake me up when they implement [Combine icon when taskbar is full]. Such a silly to remove that feature.

 

[lexluthermiester]

wake me up when they implement [Combine icon when taskbar is full]. Such a silly to remove that feature.

They didn't. What rock have YOU be under?

 

[ARF]

You're one of those people that liked Windows 8, aren't you..

No. I have never tried Windows 8.

 

[evernessince]

Microsoft, how about you "innovate" and increase the max thumbnail size from 256x256 to something larger. It's a joke on 4K screens, they aren't thumbnails at that size and you can't grasp what you are looking at. I had multiple explorer tabs since 2011, it should not take this long to catch up. Next maybe you guys can fix your MP4 handle that tends to corrupt files when writing metadata, a bug that's also been there for over a decade.

 

[cvaldes]

Nothing like having to personalize OS colors because the defaults are utterly unusable, just like every other windows version....wait.

I'm pretty sure there's some theme or desktop hack that'll turn whatever version of Windows you're running into a recent macOS iteration or even an older style like OS X Aqua.

Anyhow, Microsoft has to ship something as a default even if you find it tasteless. Would you prefer that Windows picked a random theme every time you log in until you specifically pick a certain one to stick with?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Microsoft, how about you "innovate" and increase the max thumbnail size from 256x256 to something larger. It's a joke on 4K screens, they aren't thumbnails at that size and you can't grasp what you are looking at. I had multiple explorer tabs since 2011, it should not take this long to catch up. Next maybe you guys can fix your MP4 handle that tends to corrupt files when writing metadata, a bug that's also been there for over a decade.

That can be handled by the use of display scaling, which I believe still affects thumbnails displayed. Settings->System->Display->Scale&Layout

No. I have never tried Windows 8.

Feel grateful then..