Intel 13th Gen Core "Raptor Lake" Desktop Processors Launched: +15% ST, +41% MT Uplift

[AnotherReader]

Read the review, with a reasonable config of DDR5-6000 Intel never lost the gaming crown.

And it's not an anomaly. Look at sites that used similar memory configs and you see similar results. See wccftech's review, or eurogamer's.

You're right. Most reviews show the 12900k as leading the 7950X in gaming; at best, it may be a match for the 12900k, but I haven't seen one beating it.

 

[RandallFlagg]

You're right. Most reviews show the 12900k as leading the 7950X in gaming; at best, it may be a match for the 12900k, but I haven't seen one beating it.

In gaming, with a real-world build using DDR5-6000+, Alder Lake still has a slight edge.

Zen 4 however does not lose as much as Alder Lake when you pair it with slower DDR5. But then, if one is going to go lower than DDR5-6000 on Alder Lake, DDR4 comes into the picture.

Honestly if I had a decent kit of DDR4-3600 C16 or better, I'd stay on DDR4. I don't though, my kit was 32GB DDR4-3200 C16, I just don't want to cripple a $700 cpu/mobo combo with that.

 

[wheresmycar]

[GAMER] I'm definitely liking RPLs i5 and i7 pricing... i was under the impression Intel would push something like a 13600K to $350-$380 being ZEN-4 platform costs are excessive. At $320, intels keeping it real. Look forward to independent reviews/benchmarks!

 

[mechtech]

Was too many raptor memes...............so I gave up

 

[Crackong]

All tests have PL1 = 253W but did not disclose the PL2

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Here running GTA V

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Task manager shows all core's as equal, no differentiation between P or E.
So how can you know that what it's showing is the core you think?.

 

[qubit]

Looks like there's gonna be a proper head-to-head performance battle with AMD's Zen 4. This is perfect for the customer. Let's hope prices are kept reasonable and maybe, just maybe, even a price war.

EDIT: I might just go AMD this time. I hate E cores, feel I'm getting cheated out of performance and the Ryzen 7 7700X looks like the one for me as I'm only interested in gaming performance. Plus, it has the benefit of only one CCD, so no weird latency issues.

 

[Steevo]

Great unbiased reviews, did they use a chiller again? Maybe phase change? Ice and alcohol? LN to keep boosts up?


All I see is a LOT of Intel provided best case scenario slides and people defending their specific scenario claims as defacto truth for all. I would wait for independent reviews in real world scenarios. AMD hyped the 7000 series and their thick IHS is the limiting factor, people are ignoring basic physics and the fact that the 12900 runs hotter and crying around about their theoretical system.


Wait for a review.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

The price of i9 13900K shows how cheap it is for Intel to add 8 more E cores. Tremendous price advantage over Ryzen 9 7950X, while at the same time advertising more cores to the naives.

That being said, we get very powerful platforms this year from both companies, but also very expensive platforms from both companies.
With the exception of those who will pay anything to get the best and sell it when the next gen is released, people should consider buying the platform that will give them best value not just today, but for the next 2-4 years.

I think Intel is still relatively cheaper since they still support DDR4 for people that have some decent DDR4 memory already. Then they just need board and CPU and they are set. Should be significantly cheaper than AMD.

 

[mastrdrver]

Wiz answered you. The answer was yes, and that you'd lose performance by doing so.

As for your list of requested games, and if they were negatively affected by e-cores, here's a screenshot of task manager running Dragon Age: Origins. 1440p, Max quality, 120fps lock. E-cores are doing what they're supposed to do.

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I know of one person that streams and he gets better frames at least on BF2042 with e-cores disabled because he can push the overclock higher. If they are not disabled and he tries to do the same overclock on the p-cores, he gets crashes. So he actually gains performance in this instant with the e-cores disabled.

 

[john_]

I think Intel is still relatively cheaper since they still support DDR4 for people that have some decent DDR4 memory already. Then they just need board and CPU and they are set. Should be significantly cheaper than AMD.

It is cheaper, but still expensive, meaning also the cost for a good motherboard. I could be wrong here, but can someone pair a top Raptor with a $150 or less motherboard and expect at least 95% of the performance?
People replacing their platforms every year or two, will go with Intel. people replacing their platform every 4-6 years, should consider investing on AM5 (I am not saying Zen4, but AM5).

 

[Lionheart]

Those prices are better than I thought, that 13700k looking good. That and the 13600k are gonna be really competitive against AMD's lineup, hopefully AMD will respond either with lower prices or non X parts depending on the benchmark results.

 

[THU31]

Task manager shows all core's as equal, no differentiation between P or E.
So how can you know that what it's showing is the core you think?.

I expect they show up in order, just like P-cores and HT.

And you can easily verify it by assigning affinity and running a benchmark.

 

[fevgatos]

Can someone tell me what are the downsides to e-cores? In the recent Zen 4 cpu reviews, one of the negatives is "no problems with e-core compatibility" or something like that. Well what are the problems with e-cores at the moment and will it affect me in gaming?

Ive tested it excessively. Some games dont like ecores on, in which case - for example in riftbreakers, youll go from 188 average fps ecores on to 194 ecores off.

Some other games make extensive use or them (hitman 3 / spiderman remastered), in which case having them on will give you around a 20% fps boost. Thats the actual number on spiderman for example

Some other games dont like ht (again spiderman) in which case turning it off boosts fps by a lot.

Tldr, nothing wrong with ecores.

The probable reason why Intel decided to NOT put a standard bar for 5800X3D in it's slides, but "hide" the X3D's results in a small red line.

Amd didnt put it at ALL....

 

[Bwaze]

I'll have a lunch today at noon. But I'll only eat on October 20., and I'll get the menu right before then.

Why are we calling it "launch" if we don't get either availability or the reviews, and we won't for another 3 weeks? This is not even a "paper launch", since there was never a plan to deliver the product on this day? I'm confused, what does the word "launch" mean in this context?

 

[fevgatos]

Great unbiased reviews, did they use a chiller again? Maybe phase change? Ice and alcohol? LN to keep boosts up?


All I see is a LOT of Intel provided best case scenario slides and people defending their specific scenario claims as defacto truth for all. I would wait for independent reviews in real world scenarios. AMD hyped the 7000 series and their thick IHS is the limiting factor, people are ignoring basic physics and the fact that the 12900 runs hotter and crying around about their theoretical system.


Wait for a review.

They used both a chiller and ln2 for their 65w results. We all know there is no normal way to cool down a 65w cpu. None.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I expect they show up in order, just like P-cores and HT.

And you can easily verify it by assigning affinity and running a benchmark.

I think some assumptions are being made it doesn't label a full core different to a HT core either.
Without using affinity to verify you wouldn't be sure.

And if he'd answered I had question two, you expect the p core's to run the game, but both showed perhaps E core's doing not much, I would of expected some background utilisation, they do work in that way or am I mistaken ?!.

 

[THU31]

I think some assumptions are being made it doesn't label a full core different to a HT core either.
Without using affinity to verify you wouldn't be sure.

Well we know for a fact that logical cores are shown in pairs, so for example Core 0 and Core 1 means one core with HT.

Yes, it is an assumption just looking at task manager, but it is the easiest thing to verify.

 

[Valantar]

These look like good updates overall, real-world reviews will be interesting. Also kind of fun to see Intel fight AMD so hard on value, with the 13900K suddenly being quite "affordable" (for its class, that is). AMD price cuts incoming? I certainly wouldn't mind that. The 13600K-7600X matchup will also be quite interesting to see tested.

 

[Shocktruppen]

6 GHz KS SKU coming Q1 2023:
What the caveat to this is it is for 2 cores only.
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[Space Lynx]

Ive tested it excessively. Some games dont like ecores on, in which case - for example in riftbreakers, youll go from 188 average fps ecores on to 194 ecores off.

Some other games make extensive use or them (hitman 3 / spiderman remastered), in which case having them on will give you around a 20% fps boost. Thats the actual number on spiderman for example

Some other games dont like ht (again spiderman) in which case turning it off boosts fps by a lot.

Tldr, nothing wrong with ecores.


Amd didnt put it at ALL....

Thank you.

 

[phanbuey]

My prediction is that this is going to take the gaming crown from AMD, which AMD will take back with a 7800X3D at ~$550 and a 7950X3D at ~$999.

Welcome back to the days of the Athlon FX vs Pentium.

 

[Space Lynx]

My prediction is that this is going to take the gaming crown from AMD, which AMD will take back with a 7800X3D at ~$550 and a 7950X3D at ~$999.

Welcome back to the days of the Athlon FX vs Pentium.

I want that 7800X 3D. gimmme gimme gimme

 

[Bwaze]

My prediction is that this is going to take the gaming crown from AMD, which AMD will take back with a 7800X3D at ~$550 and a 7950X3D at ~$999.

Welcome back to the days of the Athlon FX vs Pentium.

What about heat? Right now it's impossible to normally cool the Zen 4 CPUz even without the 3D cache - temperatures at 95 degrees aren't normal, no matter what AMD says.

5800X3D saw lowered boost frequency because of the heat buildup due to 3D cache. What will the consequences be in Zen 4?

 

[phanbuey]

What about heat? Right now it's impossible to normally cool the Zen 4 CPUz even without the 3D cache - temperatures at 95 degrees aren't normal, no matter what AMD says.

5800X3D saw lowered boost frequency because of the heat buildup due to 3D cache. What will the consequences be in Zen 4?

Same - the difference between 7950X at full stock vs 125W is not much vs 140W it's even less -- and the heat is manageable at both of those settings. So they will cut boost clocks, but the X3D cache will more than make up the 5% performance loss that those extra 60W bring.