Processor | Intel Core i3 8350K @4.6Ghz |
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Motherboard | ASUS Z370-P |
Cooling | Thermalright Macho Rev.C |
Memory | 12GB DDR4 2400Mhz |
Video Card(s) | Gigabyte Geforce GTX 1050 2GB DDR5 128bits |
Storage | 2TB + 2TB |
Display(s) | Samsung SyncMaster 794MB |
Software | Tubuntu 22.04 LTS x64 + Windows 8.1 x64 |
Benchmark Scores | Cinebench R15 Single Thread: 215 points |
53 games!!!!!!!
And not one DX9!!!
"After hundreds of individual benchmarks, we present you with a fair idea of just how much the GeForce RTX 4090 "Ada" graphics card is bottlenecked by the CPU."
A question for the software/hardware experts out there.....
When it is bound by CPU, how much of that 'boundness' would be due to
-IPC
-Frequency
-Cache
-Architecture/IMC/ram speed/BIOS/OS (branch prediction, HPET, other OS oddities, etc.)
-Other (API/optimization, instruction sets, etc., misc., other?)
or basically impossible to say?
System Name | Desktop |
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Processor | AMD Ryzen 5950X |
Motherboard | ASUS Strix B450-I |
Cooling | be quiet! Dark Rock TF 2 |
Memory | 32GB DDR4 3600 |
Video Card(s) | AMD RX 6800 |
Storage | 480GB MyDigitalSSD NVME |
Display(s) | AOC CU34G2X |
Power Supply | 850w |
Mouse | Razer Basilisk V3 |
Keyboard | Steelseries Apex 5 |
This test is normal X, not X3D.X3D lacks good clocks. Thats why the intel overall is faster. But the same Intel consumes roughly double the power to accomplish it.
Poor threading, ultimately. Remember when Microsoft was teasing DX12? Closer to the metal? How 2.3Ghz with multiple cores would be just fine, but years later it's still a Ghz battle? This is closely tied to the OS as well, of course.53 games!!!!!!!
And not one DX9!!!
"After hundreds of individual benchmarks, we present you with a fair idea of just how much the GeForce RTX 4090 "Ada" graphics card is bottlenecked by the CPU."
A question for the software/hardware experts out there.....
When it is bound by CPU, how much of that 'boundness' would be due to
-IPC
-Frequency
-Cache
-Architecture/IMC/ram speed/BIOS/OS (branch prediction, HPET, other OS oddities, etc.)
-Other (API/optimization, instruction sets, etc., misc., other?)
or basically impossible to say?
Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 3700X |
---|---|
Motherboard | MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK |
Cooling | AMD Wraith Prism |
Memory | Team Group Dark Pro 8Pack Edition 3600Mhz CL16 |
Video Card(s) | NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 FE |
Storage | Kingston A2000 1TB + Seagate HDD workhorse |
Display(s) | Samsung 50" QN94A Neo QLED |
Case | Antec 1200 |
Power Supply | Seasonic Focus GX-850 |
Mouse | Razer Deathadder Chroma |
Keyboard | Logitech UltraX |
Software | Windows 11 |
Yeah, we all know that the X3D version is the 'real' gaming CPU from AMD.no 5800x3d?
is it on the menu (for later) at the very least?
Why not both?5800X3D for sure me thinks
Processor | Ryzen 7800X3D |
---|---|
Motherboard | ASRock X670E Taichi |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15 Chromax |
Memory | 32GB DDR5 6000 CL30 |
Video Card(s) | MSI RTX 4090 Trio |
Storage | Too much |
Display(s) | Acer Predator XB3 27" 240 Hz |
Case | Thermaltake Core X9 |
Audio Device(s) | Topping DX5, DCA Aeon II |
Power Supply | Seasonic Prime Titanium 850w |
Mouse | G305 |
Keyboard | Wooting HE60 |
VR HMD | Valve Index |
Software | Win 10 |
Then why not use DDR5-7200.
I mean you can't even buy 32GB of DDR4-4000 C14. You then have to OC it past XMP settings, you're playing silicon lotto at this point.
DDR4-4000 C16 is the best you can do on XMP, and only about 5% of Zen 3 will let you run IF 2000 1:1
Why not just use the standard test bench, which represents what probably 80%+ of what people can actually do (DDR5-6000 and DDR4-3600 C14).
You can tell the biggest reason for this comparison is a result of criticism pointed towards the RTX 4090 review where it was criticized that the original test platform with the 5800x was holding back the RTX 4090.
This is addressing that criticism and testing it rather than simply saying the 5800x is a good enough platform for such a high end card, particularly at 4k.
And this article validates that criticism. It is humble for Wizzard to publish this article.
All articles are not ads for AMD where AMD need to be shown in the best light possible.
System Name | Legion |
---|---|
Processor | i7-12700KF |
Motherboard | Asus Z690-Plus TUF Gaming WiFi D5 |
Cooling | Arctic Liquid Freezer 2 240mm AIO |
Memory | PNY MAKO DDR5-6000 C36-36-36-76 |
Video Card(s) | PowerColor Hellhound 6700 XT 12GB |
Storage | WD SN770 512GB m.2, Samsung 980 Pro m.2 2TB |
Display(s) | Acer K272HUL 1440p / 34" MSI MAG341CQ 3440x1440 |
Case | Montech Air X |
Power Supply | Corsair CX750M |
Mouse | Logitech MX Anywhere 25 |
Keyboard | Logitech MX Keys |
Software | Lots |
To be fair hardly anyone is running a 4090 in general right now. The price precludes it from being in the majority of people's hands.
I do agree in regards to memory. OC memory should not be used unless the piece is specifically about memory scaling / is a section in a product review regarding memory OC.
That said, this comparison should have never been done with such a discrepancy in memory or CPU tier. If the intent is to show how much performance reasonable high-end systems can squeeze out of the 4090 then the comparison should have been the 5800X vs the 12700K, both with DDR4 memory. If the intent is to show how much the fastest from Intel and AMD can squeeze out of the 4090 the comparison should be the 5800X3D vs 7950X vs 12900K all with the fastest RAM that'll run reliably. For DDR5 that's DDR5 6000 CL30 and for DDR4 3600 CL14.
System Name | GSYNC |
---|---|
Processor | i9-10920X |
Motherboard | EVGA X299-FTW |
Cooling | Custom water loop: D5 |
Memory | G.Skill RipJawsZ 16GB 2133mhz 9-11-10-28 |
Video Card(s) | (RTX2080) |
Storage | OCZ vector, samsung evo 950, Intel M.2 1TB SSD's |
Display(s) | ROG Swift PG278Q, Acer Z35 and Acer XB270H (NVIDIA G-SYNC) |
Case | 2x Corsair 450D, Corsair 540 |
Audio Device(s) | sound blaster Z |
Power Supply | EVGA SuperNOVA 1300 G2 Power |
Mouse | Logitech proteus G502 |
Keyboard | Corsair K70R cherry red |
Software | WIN10 Pro (UEFI) |
Benchmark Scores | bench score are for people who don't game. |
how so? 5800X worth less than 12900K, and eats way less energy. 5700X has almost same performance, and heats even less.Conclusion, AMD fan boy hearts be broken.
It does not really matter. It was an academic probe. Nothing has changed that we did not know before.Comparing a i9-12900k priced at 699,90€ with a 339,90€ ryzen7 5800x??Should be a Ryzen 9 5950X (614,90€) maybe.
Please don't post nonsense on a platform with serious discussions. It's embarrassing. Step up the game.Conclusion, AMD fan boy hearts be broken.
System Name | ❶ Oooh (2024) ❷ Aaaah (2021) ❸ Ahemm (2017) |
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Processor | ❶ 5800X3D ❷ i7-9700K ❸ i7-7700K |
Motherboard | ❶ X570-F ❷ Z390-E ❸ Z270-E |
Cooling | ❶ ALFIII 360 ❷ X62 + X72 (GPU mod) ❸ X62 |
Memory | ❶ 32-3600/16 ❷ 32-3200/16 ❸ 16-3200/16 |
Video Card(s) | ❶ 3080 X Trio ❷ 2080TI (AIOmod) ❸ 1080TI |
Storage | ❶ NVME/SSD/HDD ❷ <SAME ❸ SSD/HDD |
Display(s) | ❶ 1440/165/IPS ❷ 1440/144/IPS ❸ 1080/144/IPS |
Case | ❶ BQ Silent 601 ❷ Cors 465X ❸ Frac Mesh C |
Audio Device(s) | ❶ HyperX C2 ❷ HyperX C2 ❸ Logi G432 |
Power Supply | ❶ HX1200 Plat ❷ RM750X ❸ EVGA 650W G2 |
Mouse | ❶ Logi G Pro ❷ Razer Bas V3 ❸ Logi G502 |
Keyboard | ❶ Logi G915 TKL ❷ Anne P2 ❸ Logi G610 |
Software | ❶ Win 10 ❷ 10 ❸ 10 |
Benchmark Scores | I have wrestled bandwidths, Tussled with voltages, Handcuffed Overclocks, Thrown Gigahertz in Jail |
Right. Thanks for taking time to do all those tests. Gordon from PC World said earlier today that his hair got grey from years of testing and he had to shave it. I hope this is not the case with you after so many tests ;-)
Back to business, this test with 4090 shows that nothing fundamentally has changed, following so many tests with Ampere cards. In 3D Center's meta-analysis from December 2021, 12900K is ~16% faster in 1080p gaming than 5800X, so within margin of error. This graph has added 7000 CPUs too.
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It does not really matter. It was an academic probe. Nothing has changed that we did not know before.
By the way, 5800X, 5900X and 5950X have very similar performance in 1080p gaming, within less than 2% difference.
Recent testing of 7950X showed that gaming performance is even better when one CCD is switched off and gaming is faster with 8 cores only due to latency penalty between CCDs. So, testing with 5800X is fine.
Please don't post nonsense on a platform with serious discussions. It's embarrassing. Step up the game.
15% slower on average is far away from "brutal". Nonsense. Plus, if someone plays in 4K, the difference in experience is pretty much negligible. However, your pocket will feel a real and deep difference by deciding to game with halo CPU 12900K.Ouch, pretty brutal for the red team, help me Obi-wan 5800X3D-nobi, you're my only hope. Still for the price the 5800X does great... averaged out over all titles.
Should I test 5800X3D or faster RAM speed?
We know now that changing GPU from Ampere to Lovelace does not make a significant difference for Zen3 and Alder Lake CPU average performance in gaming. See #89Should I test 5800X3D or faster RAM speed?
3600MHz is a sweet spot for Zen3, but even testing with different RAM did not uncover anything that we did not know before. It's all roughly the same, within margin of error.I'm more shocked that this is posted live to the world (and the fact that 53 games were tested with that bad ram) and that someone who has so much systems didnt realize yet that 4000mhz is not go for Zen 3, especially those really high timings. Just to be clear, I dont have 500$ board (I'm on B550 Pro4, 100$ board) and 2x8 Ballistix 3600 CL16 (E-die) that I picked for a bit more than 50€ on amazon.de. Actually, this is ONE of the reason I don't like techpowerup, or atleast, their "testers".
Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 3700X |
---|---|
Motherboard | MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK |
Cooling | AMD Wraith Prism |
Memory | Team Group Dark Pro 8Pack Edition 3600Mhz CL16 |
Video Card(s) | NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 FE |
Storage | Kingston A2000 1TB + Seagate HDD workhorse |
Display(s) | Samsung 50" QN94A Neo QLED |
Case | Antec 1200 |
Power Supply | Seasonic Focus GX-850 |
Mouse | Razer Deathadder Chroma |
Keyboard | Logitech UltraX |
Software | Windows 11 |
15% slower on average is far away from "brutal". Nonsense. Plus, if someone plays in 4K, the difference in experience is pretty much negligible. However, your pocket will feel a real and deep difference by deciding to game with halo CPU 12900K.
Here. 12600 did not have any 'oomph' to offer either, at any resolution.Average does tend to sooth the pain, I'm sure a cheaper 12600 would also leave the 5800X behind, but hey I get your point... percentages shrink to nothing at 4K with my 3700X at 4K too.
Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 3700X |
---|---|
Motherboard | MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK |
Cooling | AMD Wraith Prism |
Memory | Team Group Dark Pro 8Pack Edition 3600Mhz CL16 |
Video Card(s) | NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 FE |
Storage | Kingston A2000 1TB + Seagate HDD workhorse |
Display(s) | Samsung 50" QN94A Neo QLED |
Case | Antec 1200 |
Power Supply | Seasonic Focus GX-850 |
Mouse | Razer Deathadder Chroma |
Keyboard | Logitech UltraX |
Software | Windows 11 |
So basically your upset with these results, I get it.
Why would I be upset? And, results have not changed.So basically your upset with these results, I get it.
Processor | AMD Ryzen 7 3700X |
---|---|
Motherboard | MSI MAG B550 TOMAHAWK |
Cooling | AMD Wraith Prism |
Memory | Team Group Dark Pro 8Pack Edition 3600Mhz CL16 |
Video Card(s) | NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 FE |
Storage | Kingston A2000 1TB + Seagate HDD workhorse |
Display(s) | Samsung 50" QN94A Neo QLED |
Case | Antec 1200 |
Power Supply | Seasonic Focus GX-850 |
Mouse | Razer Deathadder Chroma |
Keyboard | Logitech UltraX |
Software | Windows 11 |
Just a hunch, I look at all the green bars to right and wondered if anyone was bothered by the results, hey AMD will be fine.Why would I be upset? And, results have not changed.