Intel Claims 11 Percent Gaming Performance Advantage of the Core i9-13900K Over AMD's Ryzen 9 7950X

Mussels · Oct 20, 2022

How much will that gap shrink when they fix the windows 11 bugs on the dual ccx chips?

RandallFlagg · Oct 20, 2022

Mussels said:
How much will that gap shrink when they fix the windows 11 bugs on the dual ccx chips?

Seriously. How long you gonna wait for that.

Windows 11 stuttering issues confirmed by AMD, but a fix is far off

By Sean Endicott
published March 08, 2022

Windows 11 2H22 was supposed to fix that but ...

But you can always disable SMT :

Look out, AMD – Microsoft is tanking your CPU performance again with Windows 11

Christian Guyton
Tue, October 18, 2022 at 5:21 AM

AMD users waiting for the stuttering fix :

AusWolf · Oct 20, 2022

Considering that the 7950X isn't a gaming CPU... :kookoo:

Crackong · Oct 20, 2022

Mussels said:
How much will that gap shrink when they fix the windows 11 bugs on the dual ccx chips?

The exact reason why I stay on Win10
It isn't flawless, but way better than bug11

mechtech · Oct 20, 2022

Are they talking IGP???

Super Firm Tofu · Oct 20, 2022

AusWolf said:
Considering that the 7950X isn't a gaming CPU...

AMD would like a word.

Typically, the 3950x, 5950x, and 7950x win a lot of gaming benchmarks over their lower core counterparts, not because of the core counts, but because they're the highest-clocked SKU sold within the lineup.

Agreed it's silly to buy a 16C/32T for gaming only, but to say it's not a gaming CPU isn't really accurate.

AusWolf · Oct 20, 2022

Super Firm Tofu said:
AMD would like a word.

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Typically, the 3950x, 5950x, and 7950x win a lot of gaming benchmarks over their lower core counterparts, not because of the core counts, but because they're the highest-clocked SKU sold within the lineup.

Agreed it's silly to buy a 16C/32T for gaming only, but to say it's not a gaming CPU isn't really accurate.

I would think that, but...

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X Posts Significantly Higher Gaming Performance with a CCD Disabled

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X 16-core processor exhibits some strange behavior with regards to the max boost frequency spread among its cores. A multi-chip module with two 8-core CCDs (CPU complex dies); we noticed early on in our review that the cores located in CCD-1 boost to a higher frequency than the...

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Mussels · Oct 20, 2022

RandallFlagg said:
Seriously. How long you gonna wait for that.

Windows 11 stuttering issues confirmed by AMD, but a fix is far off

By Sean Endicott
published March 08, 2022

Windows 11 2H22 was supposed to fix that but ...

But you can always disable SMT :

Look out, AMD – Microsoft is tanking your CPU performance again with Windows 11

Christian Guyton
Tue, October 18, 2022 at 5:21 AM

AMD users waiting for the stuttering fix :

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Eh?
The stutter fix was a TPM issue that was exclusive to a specific AGESA update...

This is a scheduling issue from the 7000 series CPU's being treated like they're intel CPUs - either MS fixes it, or AMD fixes it with a chipset driver

Crackong said:
The exact reason why I stay on Win10
It isn't flawless, but way better than bug11

Win11 is good overall, but it is ironic that what it's meant to be best at (CPU scheduling) it fails the most often at

AusWolf · Oct 20, 2022

Mussels said:
Win11 is good overall, but it is ironic that what it's meant to be best at (CPU scheduling) it fails the most often at

There's nothing wrong with Win 10's scheduler unless you're on Alder Lake. Like I always say, if it's not broken, don't fix it.

Super Firm Tofu · Oct 20, 2022

AusWolf said:
I would think that, but...

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X Posts Significantly Higher Gaming Performance with a CCD Disabled

AMD Ryzen 9 7950X 16-core processor exhibits some strange behavior with regards to the max boost frequency spread among its cores. A multi-chip module with two 8-core CCDs (CPU complex dies); we noticed early on in our review that the cores located in CCD-1 boost to a higher frequency than the...

www.techpowerup.com

Windows being broken (surprise!) doesn't really make the 7950x 'not a gaming CPU'. Does it invalidate Intel's claim? Maybe. We'll know for sure in a few hours when the 13900k review is posted.

My guess is that overall the 13900k will be the top dog until the 7000 series X3D is released. The 5800X3D has Raptor Lake beat already in a two or three games as posted by Intel (WoW being one of them).

RandallFlagg · Oct 20, 2022

Super Firm Tofu said:
AMD would like a word.

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That was last month though.

This is October. Get with the times man.

DBGT · Oct 20, 2022

Most of the titles are meh!

fevgatos · Oct 20, 2022

R0H1T said:
So why throw out that random 40% number, what were you trying to achieve there? For all, or most, MT workloads right? Or will you shift to another excuse/claim when the reviews are published

There you go again, need I remind you "TDP" numbers are generally meaningless or do you think if you repeat a lie enough times it becomes the truth

The Intel 12th Gen Core i9-12900K Review: Hybrid Performance Brings Hybrid Complexity

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Yes, all or most MT workloads (cbr23, blender , corona etc.). TDP numbers are not meaningless. If you put a PL2 on the bios, the mobo respects it. If mobo manafacturers do stupid stuff like power unlocking it on stock, that's their own problem.

HenrySomeone · Oct 20, 2022

So pretty much exactly in line with my postulations not long ago (I rounded it to 10% obviously) and some early Youtube reviews seem to confirm it. Despite having an all-new line of cpus out on a cutting edge node, AMD is already back to playing catch-up and this time, I'm not sure the x3d models will be up to the task... :rolleyes:

Richards said:
Meteor lake will be even bigger.. arrow lake or lunar lake will double golden cove ipc

Meteor Lake launch will most likely be the end of (Ry)zen's competitiveness...

stimpy88 · Oct 20, 2022

AT STOCK!

The intel part will hardly OC, and the AMD part has headroom once you get good cooling. I have no doubt that the AMD part will offer better performance once OC'd.

Why_Me · Oct 20, 2022

stimpy88 said:
AT STOCK!

The intel part will hardly OC, and the AMD part has headroom once you get good cooling. I have no doubt that the AMD part will offer better performance once OC'd.

ratirt · Oct 20, 2022

11% probably in specific games I'd say not every one but time will tell I guess.
I'm curious about the content creation aspect of the CPU since these CPUs are for those workloads. Gaming is a bonus to be fair. Maybe I will be changing my TRs at some point and I would like to know what this one can do against my TRx and newest 7950x AMD and maybe then I will make a decision.

Mussels · Oct 20, 2022

HenrySomeone said:
So pretty much exactly in line with my postulations not long ago (I rounded it to 10% obviously) and some early Youtube reviews seem to confirm it. Despite having an all-new line of cpus out on a cutting edge node, AMD is already back to playing catch-up and this time, I'm not sure the x3d models will be up to the task...

Meteor Lake launch will most likely be the end of (Ry)zen's competitiveness...

remember that the 12 and 16 core models are being hurt right now due to scheduling bugs, so the 7700x is the fastest of them all for gaming

Their performance will go up - zero denying that it's a rocky launch. How the hell they cant test this stuff with microsoft and get it sorted in advance is beyond me, surely they could at least just hire a known CPU reviewer and test this stuff a few months before launch and send microsoft the problems, or make a chipset driver in that time

rbgc · Oct 20, 2022

kapone32 said:
Isn't competition great?

Yes.

kapone32 said:
All we need are prices to come down from the Stratosphere.

Yes.
My next upgrade will be "Zen 5" 8 cores CPU with V-Cache, something like "9800X3D", tuned "Zen 4" CPU. So they have only 2 years to do something with prices.

kapone32 said:
Intel does have nice chips at the low end but I still prefer my 5600G. That chip is now as low as $149 Canadian.

We also have one computer with 5600G. I prefer 5800X3D, because it is perf I need and sufficient for what I do with this computer and with normal power consumption.

kapone32 · Oct 20, 2022

rbgc said:
Yes.

Yes.
My next upgrade will be "Zen 5" 8 cores CPU with V-Cache, something like "9800X3D", tuned "Zen 4" CPU. So they have only 2 years to do something with prices.

We also have one computer with 5600G. I prefer 5800X3D, because it is perf I need and sufficient for what I do with this computer and with normal power consumption.

There is no doubt the 5800X3D is way better than the 5600G but is not a budget part.

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Intel Claims 11 Percent Gaming Performance Advantage of the Core i9-13900K Over AMD's Ryzen 9 7950X

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AMD Ryzen 9 7950X Posts Significantly Higher Gaming Performance with a CCD Disabled

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Intel Claims 11 Percent Gaming Performance Advantage of the Core i9-13900K Over AMD's Ryzen 9 7950X

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