The RX 6000 series Owners' Club

[Valantar]

I've recently learned with my 6500 XT that the first thing for everybody with an AMD GPU to do is to disable hardware acceleration in the browser and video player apps.

Does the 6500 XT even have a hardware decoder block? Or is it just the encoders that are missing? I've never had any trouble with hardware decoding on any of my AMD GPU systems (6900 XT, 6600, 4650G), but I guess YMMV.

 

[GreiverBlade]

I've recently learned with my 6500 XT that the first thing for everybody with an AMD GPU to do is to disable hardware acceleration in the browser and video player apps.

Does the 6500 XT even have a hardware decoder block? Or is it just the encoders that are missing? I've never had any trouble with hardware decoding on any of my AMD GPU systems (6900 XT, 6600, 4650G), but I guess YMMV.

indeed the 6500 XT only lack, like the RX 6400, encoding hardware iirc

decoding? should be no issues ... my 6700 XT behave just fine, it's not the first thing for everybody i guess
and since i maybe want a RX 6400 LP for one of my rig, i asked around and found ... that it works for decoding no real issues on a setup like mine (i7-3770 and Q77 express mobo ) browser (Opera GX/Edge) or video player (VLC/KMP64)

 

[AusWolf]

indeed the 6500 XT only lack, like the RX 6400, encoding hardware iirc

decoding? should be no issues ... my 6700 XT behave just fine, it's not the first thing for everybody i guess
and since i maybe want a RX 6400 LP for one of my rig, i asked around and found ... that it works for decoding no real issues on a setup like mine (i7-3770 and Q77 express mobo ) browser (Opera GX/Edge) or video player (VLC/KMP64)

Indeed it does have a decoder.

The problem isn't decoding itself. Sometimes when I quit a video, the system turns into a stuttery mess, even the windows desktop. Only a restart helps.

Oddly enough, I have a 6400 with a R3 3100 in one of my HTPCs, which doesn't have the same problem. It might be a systemic thing. Maybe my 6500 XT isn't entirely happy with the B560 Rocket Lake platform. Or maybe it's the fact that I've had nvidia cards in the system with only a DDU run on the same old windows installation.

 

[GreiverBlade]

Oddly enough, I have a 6400 with a R3 3100 in one of my HTPCs, which doesn't have the same problem. It might be a systemic thing. Maybe my 6500 XT isn't entirely happy with the B560 Rocket Lake platform. Or maybe it's the fact that I've had nvidia cards in the system with only a DDU run on the same old windows installation.

my main rig is an old install that steemed from Win 7 till 10 passing by 8.1 mixed thru the years between AMD and Intel CPUs with multiple AMD and Nvidia cards and only DDU cloned only once since on ~ 9 years out of 11 i had a OCZ Vertex 3 120gb (yep 9yrs with a Vertex 3 as main OS drive talk about lucksack syndrome ) and then a Samsung 970 Evo 240gb, last swap from GTX 1070 to the curent RTX 6700 XT i had to run DDU twice and update the driver to the latest using Adrenalin, because TPU driver weren't the last one, aside some weird performances in games during the first driver install, it has been smooth sailing up to 22.10.1

now i am pondering, since i need to upgrade my webcam either way, to take a Logitech Brio to see if it's what cause Kabouter's problems in Whatsapp (in the case it would do it ... i would put the fault on the webcam not on the drivers or the card ) although a 2.5k camera would be enough for me (and half the price of the Brio )

 

[Shou Miko]

@GreiverBlade so was my old installation on my Samsung 970 EVO Plus, but it my new Gigabyte M30 1TB NVME SSD with 2GB of cache I did a clean install of Windows 11 Pro 22H2 and wow it's fast and transferring with the 2GB cache

 

[Kabouter Plop]

New 22.10.2 driver whatsapp video calls behave even worse first time if seen it be this laggy like 3 fps across desktop and then blackscreening, it seems as long as i do not run whatsapp desktop im fine, if not noticed if i am still having alt tab blackscreens usually those only happens every couple of days i have to wait and see, still getting alt tab lag tho or glitches.
still testing 22.10.2 as it has a lot of fixes but also new listed issues.

 

[outpt]

At what point do I need to be concerned about the hotspot temperature ? Just noticed that hwinfo is showing 99C. Have had no crashes and the gpu doesn’t appear to be throttling going by afterburner readings. The card goes to 79-80C and no higher.

 

[Super Firm Tofu]

At what point do I need to be concerned about the hotspot temperature ? Just noticed that hwinfo is showing 99C. Have had no crashes and the gpu doesn’t appear to be throttling going by afterburner readings. The card goes to 79-80C and no higher.

I believe that 105c is throttle, and 115c is shut down for hot spot. You might consider either raising fan curve, a slight undervolt, or both to help a bit.

 

[Kabouter Plop]

Tested 22.10.2 for a while now they are not stable and not even close its as if the longer i have them installed the more problems i get, as if shader cache is corrupting it self over time and causing problems except reseting it changes nothing.

Worst driver for whatsapp video calls makes entire desktop super laggy, visible lag even if little can cause anything to blackscreen even without whatsapp desktop.

AMD rep told me they think this is a Microsoft issue and they forwarded my kernel dump to Microsoft saying the video scheduler is broken, what makes no sense tho is why 22.5.1 is fine but 22.5.2 and up is not.

 

[AusWolf]

Tested 22.10.2 for a while now they are not stable and not even close its as if the longer i have them installed the more problems i get, as if shader cache is corrupting it self over time and causing problems except reseting it changes nothing.

Worst driver for whatsapp video calls makes entire desktop super laggy, visible lag even if little can cause anything to blackscreen even without whatsapp desktop.

AMD rep told me they think this is a Microsoft issue and they forwarded my kernel dump to Microsoft saying the video scheduler is broken, what makes no sense tho is why 22.5.1 is fine but 22.5.2 and up is not.

Is there a way to disable video hardware acceleration in WhatsApp? Is this present in other programs too?

 

[Kabouter Plop]

Is there a way to disable video hardware acceleration in WhatsApp? Is this present in other programs too?

No if tryit given them feedback via whatsapp desktop beta insisting they add option to disable it and they just pretend to be tech support rather then take feedback like they intended, ignoring feature request, even more annoying technically whatsapp supose to be able allow video calls on web vision as well the web page, but it does not, even tho alternatives do let you like google meet

Pretty sure at this point they forcing enchanced sync enabled by default and when turned off it behaves like regular vsync, they did this intentionally to cause more feedback.
Now on 22.10.2 enchanced sync behaves like this.
Alt tab out fps locked at monitor refresh rate regular vsync
Alt tab back in fps exceeds monitor refresh rate. enchanced sync flips back on behaving like normal
Play a video on main screen fps locked at refresh rate regular vsync, video playing on 2e screen regular enchanced sync.
recording with amd relive fps locked at refresh rate again.

They did not fix enchanced sync, they put a bandaid on and think they fixed it, instead they plague'ng users now with blackscreens that used to be triggered from enchanced sync, to top things off they think the video scheduler is broken and forwarded my dump file to Microsoft.

It would not surprise me if i enabled enchanced sync on 22.5.1 i get blackscreens again doing whatsapp video calls, maybe even under 2 minutes with flip model optimizations turned on.

Found a bandaid for whatsapp video crashing.
If mentioned before but if you record on desktop your fps is limited to refresh rate when this happens whatsapp desktop does not blackscreen under 2 minutes despite having flip model optimisations turned on, i have to find out if it does under 3 hours still tho, things if also noticed and im bit slow to realize this cos i noticed this before.
When i moved windows across the screen it was laggy and not smooth, so i tryit recording desktop to show the bug but instead of recording unsmooth window dragging it became smooth again, now today i noticed if recording its locked at 144 fps.
So my theory of AMD forcing enchanced sync state on all the time may be correct, the only thing the setting now does probably is put it back at vsync state but if its disabled it does still crash, so my guess is this switch in the control panel is also broken.

People that have instant replay turned on all the time + desktop recording on probably have no issues for this very reason.

40 minutes in no blackscreen this is starting to look good.

Awkward

If had blackscreens on nvidia gpu as well but was easy to avoid.
Have prefer maximum refresh rate turned on in nvidia control panel.
Fire up dark souls 3
Game wants 60 hz, but driver want 144hz
Driver and game battle it out for a couple of seconds.
Sometimes driver loses you get blackscreen.
Sometimes nothing happens game fires up properly.

Moral of the story, some apps do not respect the driver configuration and will fight for it, and if the driver loses in its configuration battle the synchronisation between the display and the gpu freezes up displaying the last color it probably received in some cases black, driver time outs are also not detected, so i guess this is also a Microsoft issue.
Apps should not be able to fight with driver, about configuration, and its probably due to poor coding in a incompatible app.
However things Nvidia does different, if an configuration has problems, that configuration is not allowed for the app.

AMD by the looks of it does not do this properly yet, altho blackscreens used to happen with enchanced sync they made it i guess such way that if a video is played the enchanced sync behaviour just sets it to regular vsync limiting fps to 144 on a 144hz display, or when recording, this is why i never managed to record the drag lag or window dragging been slightly less smooth or not smooth at all.

AMD should be able to detect what apps run when blackscreen occurs, and blacklist incompatible apps from using enchanced sync and only regular vsync, or just force the app to crash instead until the software team of that app catches on and fixes their broken app, and not give users like me headaches.
And AMD should relist enchanced sync as being broken cos its obvious this led to these issues, i doubt it will be fixed until Microsoft codes something into directx to support technologies like fast sync and enchanced sync properly, fast sync is not working either sometimes causes games to crash, but i would settle over that then over a blackscreen.
But i never would settle for a 12 pin plug that overheats and melts.

3 hours and no blackscreen its getting late i will test bandaid on 22.7.1 tommorow, if left instant replay on now, gonna check if forcing vsync can fix it as well without desktop recording bandaid, in theory video playback on a loop could fix it as well as long its on screen on the foreground.

 

[Kabouter Plop]

Found a better fix now, i limit fps globally via rtss so it never exceeds 140 fps, cos any kind of vertical synchronisation / enchanced sync only engaged at 144 fps or above.
and i aplied MPO fix that Nvidia was plagued by, appearntly that fixed a lot of issues for some one else on another forum, whatsapp when resizing no longer behaves like its drag lagging but neither does steam which appearntly had similar behaviour as well as discord its as if all hardware acceleration issues got fixed, probably due MPO fix, so now also AMD drivers suffer from it but appearntly only after 22.5.2 which gradually got worse each driver update.

I think despite that tho synchronisation is still broken so i limited my fps for now at 140 fps on my 144hz display, these issues been pissing me off so much that if been considering switching Nvidia, but with their new 12 pin i would rather not.
Daisy chaining 12 pins to 4 8 pins if 1 disconnects it will draw 600w over 3 8 pins, and if 2 disconnects then 600w over 2 8 pins and im willing to bet at 3 disconnected pins it heats up enough to melt the connector from the inside out. as it acts like a heatsink, so i rather not touch a nvidia gpu anytime soon.
Hope my drivers are now stable, could't care much if AMD decides to report this or not, more people have driver issues the more will complain, and more trolls claiming its just hardware when its just their drivers not handling MPO anymore.

Amazing this just stole focus on my screen i guess they are having their drivers coded by cheap labor just like Asus does with Armoury crate.

http://imgur.com/4USwijF

Dont mind the extreme brightness that is HDR, what matters is the automatic updatep opping up and stealing focus randomly.

 

[GreiverBlade]

what the? enhanced sync is off by default (weird one would be that my monitor is not Freesync compatible but Adrenalin report "AMD Optimized"in the toggle setting )

updated to 22.10.2 hardware acceleration is on (not that i had issues on 22.10.1 ) i got a blackscreen! during driver install ... so thats normal ...

i don't use auto update it seems because i never get that popup ... well i have update check on but download update off

issues with enhanced (you did manage to write it as enchanced in the Gru meme tho but typo can be systematic reflex, i am also prone to that. ) sync happen above 140 fps? no wonder i would not see them ... most my games rarely exceed 100fps and my screen is 60/75hz (i am part of the kind of people where anything above 100hz yield zero improvement )

we need a bit of positivity who else her is also a lucksack and is having a blast with their card and latest drivers with no issues?
maybe linking hardware and software used on a daily basis so we could find the culprit plaguing those who have issues, because to me it seems that it is due to underlying select condition Whatsapp seems to be one, so it could be Whatsapp coding who would be in fault, not 100% sure since i do not have that issue, youtube HWA same.

 

[AusWolf]

what the? enhanced sync is off by default (weird one would be that my monitor is not Freesync compatible but Adrenalin report "AMD Optimized"in the toggle setting )

updated to 22.10.2 hardware acceleration is on (not that i had issues on 22.10.1 ) i got a blackscreen! during driver install ... so thats normal ...

i don't use auto update it seems because i never get that popup ... well i have update check on but download update off

issues with enhanced (you did manage to write it as enchanced in the Gru meme tho but typo can be systematic reflex, i am also prone to that. ) sync happen above 140 fps? no wonder i would not see them ... most my games rarely exceed 100fps and my screen is 60/75hz (i am part of the kind of people where anything above 100hz yield zero improvement )

we need a bit of positivity who else her is also a lucksack and is having a blast with their card and latest drivers with no issues?
maybe linking hardware and software used on a daily basis so we could find the culprit plaguing those who have issues, because to me it seems that it is due to underlying select condition Whatsapp seems to be one, so it could be Whatsapp coding who would be in fault, not 100% sure since i do not have that issue, youtube HWA same.

Well, I don't use Whatsapp on Windows, but I did have issues with Youtube. Turning hardware acceleration off in Chrome fixed it, though.

I am also on 60 Hz with no plans to upgrade.

 

[AlwaysHope]

Ever since I got my RX 6800 XT, been playing DX9 games...& now probably for longer too, thanks to this mod for Oblivion

All this because of a lack of quality open world RPG these days with newish releases. Seems until Bethesda release Starfield, there isn't' much out there in this genre unless one wants to go with cyberpunk 2077.

 

[sam_86314]

Ever since I got my RX 6800 XT, been playing DX9 games...& now probably for longer too, thanks to this mod for Oblivion

All this because of a lack of quality open world RPG these days with newish releases. Seems until Bethesda release Starfield, there isn't' much out there in this genre unless one wants to go with cyberpunk 2077.

Oh yeah, that's one of the main things I do with my 6800 XT; play older games with mods.

Obviously, stuff like Skyrim or Dragon's Dogma runs great maxed, but once you start throwing graphical mods at them, they starts to push the 6800 XT.

My current Skyrim SE install actually requires me to turn the resolution down to a little over 1080p for playable framerates because of the ENB and texture mods I'm using. Fortunately, RSR is a thing that exists, so the drop in visual quality is insignificant.

 

[GreiverBlade]

Oh yeah, that's one of the main things I do with my 6800 XT; play older games with mods.

Obviously, stuff like Skyrim or Dragon's Dogma runs great maxed, but once you start throwing graphical mods at them, they starts to push the 6800 XT.

My current Skyrim SE install actually requires me to turn the resolution down to a little over 1080p for playable framerates because of the ENB and texture mods I'm using. Fortunately, RSR is a thing that exists, so the drop in visual quality is insignificant.

my Skyrim run fine on the 6700 XT well ... fine ish ... as i mentioned once in "what are you playing" 60fps rock solid with a shittons of mods but 2 follower manage to bring it to her knees
30fps when they are present with their fully HDT SMP hairs and i play it in 2880X1620 noAA (well rock solide average 54.8fps but steam fps counter mention 60 more than often )


other games that i play including Cyberpunk 2077 (even with RT on, performance preset) are just day and night compared to my previous GTX 1070

 

[Kabouter Plop]

Seems MPO is fixing it for more users same BS that happened to Nvidia same issues more or less as well, i wonder how long it takes for AMD to report this issue and what advice they gonna give to fix or will fix it them self by forcing MPO disabled during future driver installs.

 

[GreiverBlade]

Seems MPO is fixing it for more users same BS that happened to Nvidia same issues more or less as well, i wonder how long it takes for AMD to report this issue and what advice they gonna give to fix or will fix it them self by forcing MPO disabled during future driver installs.

MPO is used for borderless, mainly? right?

 

[Wheeljack4219]

just ripped out the gtx 1660 super 6gb HP Custom ITX card for a MSI Mech 2x AMD Radeon rx 6600 8gb. Can't wait to do 1440p gaming! TPU's GPU database puts the card about 30 to 40 percent better than the gtx 1660 super. And it's the fastest card I can put into a 400 watt that uses single 8-pin PCI-e power (uses 132 watts according to TPU's GPU database) I could use without killing the psu. TPU's database also ranked it as the highest card to be used with a 300 watt psu.

 

[Kabouter Plop]

MPO is used for borderless, mainly? right?

If no idea if ever since i disabled it my blackscreens went away, whatsapp video call can do a call for 8 hours now even on a driver that triggered it under 2 minutes, other things i did is cap fps below refresh rate so no synchronisation like vsync can ever engage etc, but im testing without fps cap now on 10 bit 120hz and with enchanced sync.

 

[GreiverBlade]

If no idea if ever since i disabled it my blackscreens went away, whatsapp video call can do a call for 8 hours now even on a driver that triggered it under 2 minutes, other things i did is cap fps below refresh rate so no synchronisation like vsync can ever engage etc, but im testing without fps cap now on 10 bit 120hz and with enchanced sync.

well, i am glad you found a workaround about your issues, now i do hope, too, that AMD will address the issue for all those who have it

 

[jext]

Should I repaste GPU? Hotspot temps difference are pretty big ( 110 - 64 ) running DXR feature test in 3DM, overclocked ?

 

[Valantar]

Should I repaste GPU? Hotspot temps difference are pretty big ( 110 - 64 ) running DXR feature test in 3DM, overclocked ?

Is that with the stock cooler and paste? That's completely unacceptable, both in terms of the avg/hotspot delta (40°C delta is way too much) and in absolute temperatures (that hotspot temp is reaching its throttle point).

If it's stock, I would RMA the card - that isn't acceptable stock operations, and speaks to either a badly designed cooler or poor QC. If not, then yes, definitely repaste, but also check thermal pad thicknesses - excessive pad thickness can cause poor contact.

 

[Kabouter Plop]

well, i am glad you found a workaround about your issues, now i do hope, too, that AMD will address the issue for all those who have it

Appearntly i read somewhere on this forum as it was linked that if certain key is missing
its enabled.
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Dwm]
"OverlayTestMode"=dword:00000005

You can copy HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\Dwm into navigation bar of regedit to quickly navigate to it.
MPO enabled tho gives reduced latency tho so i guess this is what is causing problems.

Nvidia driver mentioned forcing vsync off was big no no stuttering and flickering issues etc where also present with Nvidia driver.
Guess what issues been known issue list for quite some time now, and some still report issues despite AMD claiming they fixed it.