Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[tabascosauz]

Thank you both!

I'll have a think about it, but I'm more inclined to give MSi another go for now. Feature-wise, they're quite similar and I'm not planning on any OC with the 7700X. Heck, if it reaches 95 °C with my 280 mm AIO, I'll even turn on Eco mode.

Don't forget Curve Optimizer, big temp drops compared to only using power limits

But very dependent on SP, so I hope you get a good chip Ryzen 7000 runs cool enough in everyday use (ie. not all-core) that Eco Mode is not that important

 

[Mussels]

Wouldn't 16 be a quadrupler? Haven't seen those ever since Z77.

The X570 Pro Carbon was the problem child that prompted replacement by the Unify boards, but MSI hasn't slipped up since then. 4-phase with doublers into 4C024/4C029.

If anything, the Pro Carbon was just badly designed. All of MSI's non-DrMOS/SPS boards still use 4C029, it's a stout MOSFET and the 4-phase doubled or lo side doubled Vcore setup works well for all AM4 CPUs, and shouldn't have ran that hot.

The board in particular in that thread they didnt just list them wrong they outright lied about the amperage, brand, and number of VRMs on the board

It was MSI's low point, and what convinced me to absolutely check any board in detail before buying from then on since it was a premium chipset (x570) they flaked out on

 

[AusWolf]

Don't forget Curve Optimizer, big temp drops compared to only using power limits
But very dependent on SP, so I hope you get a good chip Ryzen 7000 runs cool enough in everyday use (ie. not all-core) that Eco Mode is not that important

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That's impressive at only 61 °C! Only if I wasn't so lazy to tinker with settings.

 

[tabascosauz]

That's impressive at only 61 °C! Only if I wasn't so lazy to tinker with settings.

I think it should be realistic for you too. That review was on a 360mm AIO, but neither at 88W nor 142W is there enough power draw for the extra rad space to make a real difference

If you wanna do less work, w1zz ran like a 5GHz all core OC in his review. Interesting to see that all-core OC can be viable for REDUCING thermals Intel owners gonna lose their minds when they hear that lol

 

[AusWolf]

I think it should be realistic for you too. That review was on a 360mm AIO, but neither at 88W nor 142W is there enough power draw for the extra rad space to make a real difference

If you wanna do less work, w1zz ran like a 5GHz all core OC in his review. Interesting to see that all-core OC can be viable for REDUCING thermals Intel owners gonna lose their minds when they hear that lol

Well, AMD owners lost their minds when I told them that my 11700 eats less than 60 W in most games and can be cooled with a basic top-down cooler with just a slight reduction in power limits. So, anything can happen... that's the only reason why I want that 7700X, to be fair.

 

[R-T-B]

Well, AMD owners lost their minds when I told them that my 11700 eats less than 60 W in most games and can be cooled with a basic top-down cooler with just a slight reduction in power limits. So, anything can happen... that's the only reason why I want that 7700X, to be fair.

Pretty much all these chips are run well outside their ideal curves. It's amazing what a little underclocking/volting can do for efficiency.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Hello, I just got the Ryzen 7 5800X today! Looks good other than it looks like it's in some PBO mode, when I don't want it to be at this time.

My heatsink is the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo V2.

 

[AusWolf]

Hello, I just got the Ryzen 7 5800X today! Looks good other than it looks like it's in some PBO mode, when I don't want it to be at this time.

My heatsink is the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo V2.

Welcome!

Yeah, chiplet-based CPUs run hot. As long as it does its job without throttling, don't worry too much about it.

Speaking of temperatures, I've just got my 7700X. Now, THIS thing is hot. Strangely enough, I can't achieve the same numbers with a 280 mm AIO that we see in the TPU test. At stock, it runs at around 4.9 GHz in Cinebench R23 all-core and gets about 18.5K points. Maybe it has something to do with my motherboard, or the fact that I haven't reinstalled Windows, yet.

I've also done some tweaking: by limiting PPT to 100 W, it runs at 4.7-4.8 GHz at 75 °C and still gets a hair above 18K points at Cinebench. Like it was said before, these modern CPUs are mini furnaces at stock, but it's so easy to tweak them to sensible uses!

 

[freeagent]

If you are sporting the latest AGESA 1207 it really limits how much power the CPU gets, it should run cooler for you. But! That heatsink is pretty outgunned right now.. so there is that too.

 

[tabascosauz]

Hello, I just got the Ryzen 7 5800X today! Looks good other than it looks like it's in some PBO mode, when I don't want it to be at this time.

My heatsink is the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo V2.

Some optimal power limits and Curve Optimizer will work wonders you're already in the 5800X thread so you already know what's up

I'm not gonna pretend my cooling setup is actually better than a 212......if I can cool a 5900X and 5800X3D, no sweat for you!

 

[Mussels]

Hello, I just got the Ryzen 7 5800X today! Looks good other than it looks like it's in some PBO mode, when I don't want it to be at this time.

My heatsink is the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo V2.

Not the best heatsink for these CPU's at all

Physically its big enough, but the wonky baseplate makes it possible to have shitty contact directly where you need it the most
(Not to scale or anything, but a mockup to show what i mean, with the IO die and CPU die potentially being in-between the copper heatpipes where the larger air gap is)

You may be fine, you may need to rotate the heatsink or adjust it any way you can - but definitely undervolting or limiting PPT will help massively

 

[Space Lynx]

Don't forget Curve Optimizer, big temp drops compared to only using power limits

But very dependent on SP, so I hope you get a good chip Ryzen 7000 runs cool enough in everyday use (ie. not all-core) that Eco Mode is not that important

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Would you recommend I do a small undervolt on a 13600kf raptor lake cpu running stock? Would I see similar drops but no/minimal performance loss? How do I test this exactly, just run Cinebench, reboot, then BIOS and set an offset of negative like 0.15? then i reboot, and run cinebench again, compare temps/scores from before?

Not the best heatsink for these CPU's at all

Physically its big enough, but the wonky baseplate makes it possible to have shitty contact directly where you need it the most
(Not to scale or anything, but a mockup to show what i mean, with the IO die and CPU die potentially being in-between the copper heatpipes where the larger air gap is)
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You may be fine, you may need to rotate the heatsink or adjust it any way you can - but definitely undervolting or limiting PPT will help massively

that looks really bad... too much of a gap. yikes. not sure i would use that.

Hello, I just got the Ryzen 7 5800X today! Looks good other than it looks like it's in some PBO mode, when I don't want it to be at this time.

My heatsink is the Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo V2.

if not too late to return that heatsink, I would recommend you get the ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO, about $45. its a little more in cost, but it cools really well for the price. (its a pain to install at first, take your time with it if you go that route).

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Is the Wraith Prism that came with my Matisse better than that?

 

[tabascosauz]

Is the Wraith Prism that came with my Matisse better than that?

No, Wraith Prism is not an improvement. It's hardly an impressive cooler for its height or size (95mm), really only for its price ($0).

Just stick with what you have, it's fine. Cross that bridge if you get to it. No point trying to worry yourself over better coolers when you haven't thoroughly tested the hardware you have.

We've had people configuring a 5800X to run within the frigging Lone L5. A 212 is not the end of the world. I view 5800X and 5800X3D in the same sense - unimpressive temps regardless of what you cooler you use, until you undervolt and optimize your power limits (then both of them run great).

Would you recommend I do a small undervolt on a 13600kf raptor lake cpu running stock? Would I see similar drops but no/minimal performance loss? How do I test this exactly, just run Cinebench, reboot, then BIOS and set an offset of negative like 0.15? then i reboot, and run cinebench again, compare temps/scores from before?

that looks really bad... too much of a gap. yikes. not sure i would use that.

if not too late to return that heatsink, I would recommend you get the ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports DUO, about $45. its a little more in cost, but it cools really well for the price. (its a pain to install at first, take your time with it if you go that route).

In the Ryzen thread? ok

I was going to say that Intel as of late has been getting harder to a big spread in core clock scaling based on # of cores loaded (iirc E-cores run off the same Vcore). As well as more granular "per-core" controls (misleading) and E-cores. I think bz was recently bitching about it and TVB on the 13900K.

But apparently the 13600K just runs 5.1 P-cores and 3.9 E-cores regardless of # cores loaded. So I imagine you can just go straight to a 5.1 OC like any ol Intel.........but if you leave E-cores enabled it may behave differently.

 

[Space Lynx]

No, Wraith Prism is not an improvement. It's hardly an impressive cooler for its height or size (95mm), really only for its price ($0).

Just stick with what you have, it's fine. Cross that bridge if you get to it. No point trying to worry yourself over better coolers when you haven't thoroughly tested the hardware you have.

We've had people configuring a 5800X to run within the frigging Lone L5. A 212 is not the end of the world. I view 5800X and 5800X3D in the same sense - unimpressive temps regardless of what you cooler you use, until you undervolt and optimize your power limits (then both of them run great).



In the Ryzen thread? ok

I was going to say that Intel as of late has been getting harder to a big spread in core clock scaling based on # of cores loaded (iirc E-cores run off the same Vcore). As well as more granular "per-core" controls (misleading) and E-cores. I think bz was recently bitching about it and TVB on the 13900K.

But apparently the 13600K just runs 5.1 P-cores and 3.9 E-cores regardless of # cores loaded. So I imagine you can just go straight to a 5.1 OC like any ol Intel.........but if you leave E-cores enabled it may behave differently.

I didn't even realize what thread this was. I'm really tired at the moment.

Hmm, ok I will just leave it at stock and leave it be. Blimey, i miss the old 2500k days, everything was so much more simple. games/hardware only had 20 settings, not 120! and so on and so forth... or maybe im just getting old...

 

[tabascosauz]

I didn't even realize what thread this was. I'm really tired at the moment.

Hmm, ok I will just leave it at stock and leave it be. Blimey, i miss the old 2500k days, everything was so much more simple. games/hardware only had 20 settings, not 120! and so on and so forth... or maybe im just getting old...

Only thing you have to do is adjust dynamic Vcore offset right? Sounds easy enough and worth doing I just feel like static OC is easier if it functionally is the same on 13600K

Just not sure what is best to stress test Intel these days. Ycruncher?

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

It works well, but I get temps that would remind some people of Ivy Bridge! (3rd-gen Core i) More like I would expect with a Core i7 3770K, LOL.

 

[Chomiq]

It works well, but I get temps that would remind some people of Ivy Bridge! (3rd-gen Core i) More like I would expect with a Core i7 3770K, LOL.

What are the temps?

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

What temps are that then?

It shoots up to 85 C often, and briefly 86 C with Cinebench R23. Reminds me of Intel with Linpack, LOL.

 

[Chomiq]

It shoots up to 85 C often, and briefly 86 C with Cinebench R23. Reminds me of Intel with Linpack, LOL.

I'm speaking of normal use, not Cinebench runs. Unless all you do is run Cinebench all the time...

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

I'm speaking of normal use, not Cinebench runs. Unless all you do is run Cinebench all the time...

I bet it will be similar to my 6c/12t Ryzens.

 

[tabascosauz]

It works well, but I get temps that would remind some people of Ivy Bridge! (3rd-gen Core i) More like I would expect with a Core i7 3770K, LOL.

I don't know what to tell ya, hey at least it's not a 7700X

Every one of these hot chips AMD has made to date (5800X, 5800X3D, entire 7000 series) can be tamed with a combination of power limits and undervolt, with same or better performance and much improved temps. Can't expect to put in zero work and get those results.

Hell, I had to put in twice the work to put a leash on the 4790K, and Ryzen's procedures are supposed to be more complicated. So get to work buddy!

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

It shoots up to 85 C often, and briefly 86 C with Cinebench R23. Reminds me of Intel with Linpack, LOL.

That's only with the default power limits. It's cool in single-threaded tasks. Better than my 5600X in low-core-count loads. Made me suspect AMD were binning the 5600Xs with lower-grade stuff, like I would expect with a Core i7 920 or of course, an FX 8320.

 

[Ruru]

Been thinking about upgrading to 5800X3D. Then I could put my current 3600 to use as a 2nd rig (X58 can retire).

 

[Chomiq]

Been thinking about upgrading to 5800X3D. Then I could put my current 3600 to use as a 2nd rig (X58 can retire).

Just do it.