AMD Announces the $999 Radeon RX 7900 XTX and $899 RX 7900 XT, 5nm RDNA3, DisplayPort 2.1, FSR 3.0 FluidMotion

[medi01]

RT, upscaling, video encoding, etc...

"etc"
That anti lag thing too right?
"AMD's answer ton NV's (answer to AMD's Radeon anti-lag)"



All NV has going for it is the RT.
And enabling RT is Cyberpunk at 4k gives you want?
41 (!!!) fps!
That's a lot, ain't it?

Future proofing and all.

Hordes of "RT is mandatory" games are just around the corner, given how "nicey" a €2300+ GPU runs last gen AAA game.
Absolutely!
"Believe"...

they'd have shown the cherry picked benchmarks

They have not done it before, listing out a balanced set of games.
Why would they start it now? Did that leather "2-4 times faster" guy bite them?

AMD's sponsored titles.

Have you even checked the link, cough? GOW is "AMD sponsored"?

As if it mattered whether they are sponsored or not, anyhow.

 

[mahoney]

Wow you are on some copium huh?


Every time AMD was confident in their gpu performances they showcased them vs Nvidia's.
Like for instance the 6000 series
6900xt they compared vs the 3090 and even used their SAM and Rage mode

The 6800 was compared to the 2080ti - again with SAM

Seems like you haven't noticed yet that almost every console port works better on the AMD gpu's

 

[medi01]

Let's recap the event
•Rdna3 announced
•300mm2 die size
•Up 56 Billion transistors (165% more transistors per mm2)
•First displayport 2.1 gpus on the market(support for up to 4k480fps & 8k165fps)
•Does not use the hazardous VHPWR connector(no need to change your psu, if you have a good one)
•World's first chiplet based architecture (5nm gcd & 6nm mcd chiplets)
•52 TFLOPS & 61 TFLOPS for 7900xt and 7900xtx respectively
•2.1Ghz & 2.3Ghz on 7900xt and 7900xtx respectively
•Memory bandwidth at 800GB/s & 960GB/s on Xt & Xtx respectively (according to amd product pages)
•7900xt features 20GB Gddr6 vram on a 320bit bus, 24GB and 384bit bus on 7900xtx
•Second gen infinity cache
•Faster interconnect bandwidth (Up to 5.3 TB/s)
•80 & 96MB of infinity cache on 7900Xt & 7900Xtx respectively
•Costs between 899 & 999(600-700 dollars cheaper than 4090)
•New/faster display/media engine(Radiance Display Engine, dual media engine up to 7x faster)
•Optimised performance for some encoding/streaming apps(Obs, ffmpeg, Premiere ,handbrake. More apps soon)
•1.54x improvement in perf/watt over rdna2
•New dedicated Ai accelerators with 2.7x ai improvement over rdna2(2 ai acceleration units in each cu)
•1.5x higher rt performance compared to previous high end flagship(rt performance can be up to 1.8x higher)
•Total board power at 300w for 7900xt & 355w for 7900xtx respectively
•New adrenalin software with more unified features
•Sneak peak at Fsr3.0 with new frame doubling feature

6900xt they compared vs the 3090 and even used their SAM and Rage mode

They only compare products when they have faster products.

Every time AMD was confident in their gpu performances they showcased them vs Nvidia's.

BS.

 

[AusWolf]

And the way they did it now isn't? It look like they're hiding the actual performance against Nvidia's flagship. Which probably means the 4090 could be way faster than anyone seems to realize. The way they started doing those product advertisements for the display port cable and later on for the monitor... Like jesus christ did none of you's alarm bells go off?

They're not hiding. The performance numbers are there. If you want to compare it yourself, you're free to do so. They're not trying to release something against Nvidia. They're just releasing something. To me, this approach seems more confident and honest. I don't want an AMD presentation to be all about Nvidia. That would only signal a sense of inferiority. When did you see an Nvidia launch compare performance against AMD? If you know that your product is good, you can talk about it without mentioning the competition. Only when you're scared that people will choose the competition, you try to talk them out of it with comparisons. Do you see what I mean?

 

[Luminescent]

I think AMD's approach to RDNA 3 was let's make a normal high end GPU that can work in most computers and Nvidia was like, let's see how you can compete with this absurdity.
As i said before, high end cards are not important, let's see what they do in the 6700 xt - rtx 3070 range and lower, after they clear stock of old cards of course.

 

[mahoney]

They're not hiding. The performance numbers are there. If you want to compare it yourself, you're free to do so. They're not trying to release something against Nvidia. They're just releasing something. To me, this approach seems more confident and honest. I don't want an AMD presentation to be all about Nvidia. That would only signal some sense of inferiority.

They're not. All the showed was some fps with 'up to'. What are we supposed to take from that? Average FPS? Max FPS?
Like i said if they were confident in their product they'd have done an 8 game gpu benchmark with their cherry picked games but they didn't which means 4090 probably absolutely stomps on this thing. Even Greymon tweeted 1h before the launch Nvidia is still king...

 

[Bzuco]

Can someone explain difference in shader units count? TPU database 12288, AMD site 6144...

 

[AusWolf]

They're not. All the showed was some fps with 'up to'. What are we supposed to take from that? Average FPS? Max FPS?
Like i said if they were confident in their product they'd have done an 8 game gpu benchmark with their cherry picked games but they didn't which means 4090 probably absolutely stomps on this thing. Even Greymon tweeted 1h before the launch Nvidia is still king...

Happy? (25:30) If you expect more from a product launch video, then I guess you haven't watched a lot of these in the past.

 

[mahoney]

Happy? If you expect more from a product launch video, then I guess you haven't watched a lot of these in the past.

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This was a fricking Display Port advertisement and they even used FSR ffs.
Oh i watched a lot of these. I still remember the Polaris hype and then they went and did a Crossfire to compare it with the gtx 1080 at 4k was it?
Like i said if they're not confident in their product they hide as much of the gaming performance as possible. I'm almost certain the 4090 is gonna be at least 25% faster on average if not more. It's gonna be around 10-15% faster than the 4080 so that's a win i guess

 

[GunShot]

We don't need that, Nvidia can keep its fake frames and other disposable features like its self-destruct function.

AMD just delivered what most of us wanted, a card with a lot of performance at a reasonable price, have a nice day.

Confirm this "we-us" number.

 

[spnidel]

What's with the three copper coloured "blades" in the heatsink?

rdna 3

 

[AusWolf]

This was a fricking Display Port advertisement and they even used FSR ffs.
Oh i watched a lot of these. I still remember the Polaris hype and then they went and did a Crossfire to compare it with the gtx 1080 at 4k was it?
Like i said if they're not confident in their product they hide as much of the gaming performance as possible.

Yeah, to signal "hey, we're not the underdog, we can actually compete with Nvidia, you just have to buy two of these poor things". If you compare, you'll always be the underdog.

I still don't see why you think they were hiding anything. We got some FPS numbers. Not more than during any other product launch. For real numbers, you'll have to wait for reviews. This has always been the case.

 

[mahoney]

Yeah, to signal "hey, we're not the underdog, we can actually compete with Nvidia, you just have to buy two of these poor things". If you compare, you'll always be the underdog.

I still don't see why you think they were hiding anything. We got some FPS numbers. Not more than during any other product launch. For real numbers, you'll have to wait for reviews. This has always been the case.

Watch the 6000 series presentation video and then compare it to this one. They hyped so much rdna 3 how it was gonna be so fricking fast and then they didn't even show any comparisons benchmarks with their games? Like c'mon. With rdna 2 they were confident they could go toe to toe with Nvidia they showed numerous graphs comparing the 6800,xt and the 6900xt to the rival models.

 

[LabRat 891]

Impressive. Even subtracting some 'points' for marketing 'fluff', I'm impressed.

Age has taught me to wait, though. Never be an early adopter; I'll be excitedly keeping an eye on these as this generation matures.

 

[AusWolf]

Watch the 6000 series presentation video and then compare it to this one. They hyped so much rdna 3 how it was gonna be so fricking fast and then they didn't even show any comparisons benchmarks with their games? Like c'mon. With rdna 2 they were confident they could go toe to toe with Nvidia they showed numerous graphs comparing the 6800,xt and the 6900xt to the rival models.

I still think comparing to the rival in a launch presentation is a sign of inferiority.

It's like comparing your muscles, your car, (your penis), etc. to someone else's. Only insecure people do that. When you know you've got what it takes, you just don't care.

 

[mahoney]

I still think comparing to the rival in a launch presentation is a sign of inferiority.

It's like comparing your muscles, your car, (your penis), etc. to someone else's. Only insecure people do that. When you know you've got what it takes, you just don't care.

jesus christ the copium

 

[AusWolf]

jesus christ the copium

I don't know what you mean by that, but my point stands: if you're interested in real performance numbers, wait for the reviews. This has been said during basically every single product launch in the past.

 

[mahoney]

I don't know what you mean by that, but my point stands: if you're interested in real performance numbers, wait for the reviews. This has been said during basically every single product launch in the past.

It means that you can't see the big problem.

 

[AusWolf]

It means that you can't see the big problem.

What problem? That they didn't compare penis sizes with Nvidia? Like I said: that's what reviews are for. This is a product launch presentation. These are entirely different things.

 

[LabRat 891]

I still think comparing to the rival in a launch presentation is a sign of inferiority.

It's like comparing your muscles, your car, (your penis), etc. to someone else's. Only insecure people do that. When you know you've got what it takes, you just don't care.

Marketing is marketing.
Go to *any* 'competitive' marketplace (dating site?) and you'll find such boisterousness and comparisons.
It's a necessity of 'the game'. Doesn't matter 'what you're selling'.

Yeah, it sucks. But it's an extension of human norms.

 

[AusWolf]

Marketing is marketing.
Go to *any* 'competitive' marketplace (dating site?) and you'll find such boisterousness and comparisons.
It's a necessity of 'the game'. Doesn't matter 'what you're selling'.

Yeah, it sucks. But it's an extension of human norms.

I disagree.
Since you mentioned dating sites, if you went on one and saw someone saying "my d*** is bigger than Joe's" or "my boobs are firmer than Jill's", what would you think? I would think they're world-class losers.

 

[mahoney]

What problem? That they didn't compare penis sizes with Nvidia? Like I said: that's what reviews are for. This is a product launch presentation. These are entirely different things.

oh boy... When you're confident in something you show it if not you don't.

Why do i have to keep repeating myself

When they launched 6000 series they compared them with rival gpu's - 6800 vs 2080ti

When they launched the 5000 series they also compared them with their rival gpu's - 5700 vs RTX 2060

When they launched the Radeon 7 - compared it to the 2080

Even when they launched Vega - they at least compared it to their previous flagship Fury X

Nothing suspicious with not showing any actual benchmarks right? RIGHT?!?!

 

[AusWolf]

oh boy... When you're confident in something you show it if not you don't.

They showed it.

When they launched 6000 series they compared them with rival gpu's - 6800 vs 2080ti

Yeah, comparing to a then already two-year-old GPU that had its replacement coming. Shows real confidence!

When they launched the 5000 series they also compared them with their rival gpu's - 5700 vs RTX 2060

The fastest GPU they had compared with Nvidia's midrange. Um... great?

When they launched the Radeon 7 - compared it to the 2080

Yet, the Radeon 7 ended up being generally unavailable, and unprofitable for AMD to make, not to mention its many problems. Comparison or not, it was a big failure.

Even when they launched Vega - they at least compared it to their previous flagship Fury X

You want comparisons with the previous flagship? Here you go:

Nothing suspicious with not showing any actual benchmarks right? RIGHT?!?!

Did you look at my last screenshot? Jesus... If you want more accurate numbers, wait for reviews. How many times do you want me to repeat myself?

 

[mahoney]

They showed it.


Yeah, comparing to a then already two-year-old GPU that had its replacement coming. Shows real confidence!


The fastest GPU they had compared with Nvidia's midrange. Um... great?


Yet, the Radeon 7 ended up being generally unavailable, and unprofitable for AMD to make, not to mention its many problems. Comparison or not, it was a big failure.


You want comparisons with the previous flagship? Here you go:
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Did you look at my last screenshot? Jesus... If you want more accurate numbers, wait for reviews. How many times do you want me to repeat myself?

Take away FSR and it looks seriously depressing. That's why they didn't show it like they used to in the past.
Also that's not your average benchmark chart is it?

 

[AusWolf]

Take away FSR and it looks seriously depressing. That's why they didn't show it like they used to in the past

Well, product launch performance numbers are always flawed one way or another. Do you remember Nvidia's Ampere launch with their "up to 1.5x" type comparisons with Turing, drawn as data points on some dodgy diagram, that ended up being totally irrelevant and inaccurate in the end? That's why I said: wait for reviews before you draw conclusions.