AMD Announces the $999 Radeon RX 7900 XTX and $899 RX 7900 XT, 5nm RDNA3, DisplayPort 2.1, FSR 3.0 FluidMotion

[TheinsanegamerN]

Well indeed, yet something like $699 GTX 1080 TI was milking the market, and $1000 Titan was an abomination confirming their greed.

How times have changed.

Honestly I think people have rose colored glasses for cheaper GPUs of the turn of the decade, often forgetting the cheap hardware was a 1-2 punch of the Great Recession hampering prices of, well, everything, and the stagnating console market resulting in no need for high end GPUs, games were so held back by the 360/ps3 by 2010 that even a 550ti, OCed, could outdo consoles in detail, resulton, and framerate, often by significant margins.

 

[Space Lynx]

Honestly I think people have rose colored glasses for cheaper GPUs of the turn of the decade, often forgetting the cheap hardware was a 1-2 punch of the Great Recession hampering prices of, well, everything, and the stagnating console market resulting in no need for high end GPUs, games were so held back by the 360/ps3 by 2010 that even a 550ti, OCed, could outdo consoles in detail, resulton, and framerate, often by significant margins.

I think $899 is a fair price for the 7800 XT. I mean it's a literally a game changer for someone who like me who is just sick of playing high end AAA games at 1440p at 70 fps ish... when all we want is to play them at 165 fps 1440p. I know that sounds stupid as fuck, but I really do like 165 fps 165hz gaming, so eh, it is what it is.

I'm set for a long time now, assuming I can beat the bots and get one December 13th. Doubt if I can.

 

[GunShot]

Nvidia price cuts... will they do it?

For what and going off what, though? Every function/feature for the 4090 was released at full launch. AMD came half-cocked like always. e.g. FSR 3.0 ETA is sometime in 2023 (WHAT?!), AI cores(?) uhm... but not devs/app controlled like Tensor's core (just GPU engine controlled, so, half AI?) nerfed titles in favour for AMD future promoted games didn't show hardly nothing performance wise (btw, why no vids, TPU?) Too many unknowns for RDNA3 and that shows insecurity and NVIDIA, and Intel, can smell fear.

AMD didn't show anything solid. Just a PowerPoint show, with tiny gaming vids with no real performance metrics, nothing lengthy anyway.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

I think $899 is a fair price for the 7800 XT. I mean it's a literally a game changer for someone who like me who is just sick of playing high end AAA games at 1440p at 70 fps ish... when all we want is to play them at 165 fps 1440p. I know that sounds stupid as fuck, but I really do like 165 fps 165hz gaming, so eh, it is what it is.

I'm set for a long time now, assuming I can beat the bots and get one December 13th. Doubt if I can.

I mean that's why I bought my 6800xt, to get that sweet 1440p144. I think the 7900xt should have been a $799 part tho. $100 less then the xtx is the same mistake AMD made with the 6800 vs the xt, the xt was so much faster there was no reason to go with the mildly cheaper 6800.

I dont plan on buying either tho. There's not much that can stress the 6800xt and halo infinite is basically dead, so meh.

 

[cvaldes]

AMD didn't show anything solid. Just a PowerPoint show, with tiny gaming vids with no real performance metrics, nothing lengthy anyway.

For sure AMD knows exactly how the RX 7900 XTX stacks up against RTX 4090.

AMD realizes that anyone sane is going to wait for third party reviewers to run the tests anyhow. Manufacturer claims don't need to be taken with a grain of salt -- they need to be taken with a mountain of salt.

They took the unassailable approach by comparing 7900 with their own previous generation products.

Presumably RDNA3 will not beat Ada Lovelace in a head-to-head showdown of game graphics benchmarks. Radeon will probably win the performance-per-watt and performance-per-dollar metrics but those just don't have the same on-screen glamour as real-time gameplay with an fps counter in the corner of the screen.

 

[Space Lynx]

I mean that's why I bought my 6800xt, to get that sweet 1440p144. I think the 7900xt should have been a $799 part tho. $100 less then the xtx is the same mistake AMD made with the 6800 vs the xt, the xt was so much faster there was no reason to go with the mildly cheaper 6800.

I dont plan on buying either tho. There's not much that can stress the 6800xt and halo infinite is basically dead, so meh.

the games i play need a 7800 xt to reach the frames i want at 1440p. but yeah everyone has a different use case.

i agree about the $100. honestly I think should have done $799 7800 xt and $1099 7800 XTX, because there is always going to be that elite segment who buys the high end no matter what, basically they would be splitting the difference on profit, while still catering a high end card to the majority gamer.

 

[Zach_01]

I think the 7900xt should have been a $799 part tho. $100 less then the xtx is the same mistake AMD made with the 6800 vs the xt, the xt was so much faster there was no reason to go with the mildly cheaper 6800.

Pure marketing....
This way the XTX has more value and most people will go for this one. Its "only" a 100 more.

No mistake here

 

[Punkenjoy]

AMD didn't show anything solid. Just a PowerPoint show, with tiny gaming vids with no real performance metrics, nothing lengthy anyway.

To be honest, they showed about the same thing as every one else in those events. It's almost always the same.

But i agree that right now there is no rush for Nvidia to reduce the price of the 4090 or even the 4080. They might lose people that are incline to buy AMD but many people will never, or at least won't until it become "cool".

Most people wanted AMD to get cheaper card so Nvidia have to reduce their price. Well it won't work like that. If Nvidia know you want an Nvidia card, they will charge you as much for it no matter what AMD does.

 

[GunShot]

For sure AMD knows exactly how the RX 7900 XTX stacks up against RTX 4090.

AMD realizes that anyone sane is going to wait for third party reviewers to run the tests anyhow. Manufacturer claims don't need to be taken with a grain of salt -- they need to be taken with a mountain of salt.

They took the unassailable approach by comparing 7900 with their own previous generation products.

Presumably RDNA3 will not beat Ada Lovelace in a head-to-head showdown of game graphics benchmarks. Radeon will probably win the performance-per-watt and performance-per-dollar metrics but those just don't have the same on-screen glamour as real-time gameplay with an fps counter in the corner of the screen.

I think the pricing right with the 4080 16GB will be another 3080Ti vs 6900 because at the end of the day, NVIDIA comes with the full package of features (insane RT numbers, etc.) and obviously better in neural networking prowess.

The only thing that irks me about my Strik 4090 (birthday gift from the wife and kids) is the lack for DP2.1.

 

[RedBear]

Most people wanted AMD to get cheaper card so Nvidia have to reduce their price. Well it won't work like that. If Nvidia know you want an Nvidia card, they will charge you as much for it no matter what AMD does.

I'm not sure if that's what people really want, maybe some were hoping for even cheaper AMD cards with greater value, but if you're correct they should have just watched at the current midrange, AMD has been offering better value for months now since the collapse of cryptocurrencies, Nvidia still isn't lowering its prices significantly.

 

[demirael]

For what and going off what, though? Every function/feature for the 4090 was released at full launch. AMD came half-cocked like always. e.g. FSR 3.0 ETA is sometime in 2023 (WHAT?!)

Having FSR 3.0 in 2023 is fine if it looks better than nVidia's mess called Frame Generation.

 

[GunShot]

To be honest, they showed about the same thing as every one else in those events. It's almost always the same.

But i agree that right now there is no rush for Nvidia to reduce the price of the 4090 or even the 4080. They might lose people that are incline to buy AMD but many people will never, or at least won't until it become "cool".

Most people wanted AMD to get cheaper card so Nvidia have to reduce their price. Well it won't work like that. If Nvidia know you want an Nvidia card, they will charge you as much for it no matter what AMD does.

I agree but AMD did not reduce its prices, though if you think about it. Instead, one of its SKUs stayed neutral in price (6900 intial MSRP $1000) the other SKU was jacked-up $250 (6800xt intial MSRP $650). It seems like AMD was just betting on that many wouldn't notice if they threw a whole bunch of unconfirmed numbers at their slideshow, you know, just like they did with their 7000 series CPUs until the backlash from TRUE gamers exposed them.

 

[Space Lynx]

Having FSR 3.0 in 2023 is fine if it looks better than nVidia's mess called Frame Generation.

playing a game on PC is turning into a worse experience than writing a college essay.

frame cap certain games or y happens.
vysnc in certan games or x happens.
which is better for this game dlss or fsr i have both, lets check a review, oh this one is better than that one for this game, but vice versa for spiderman
is RT worth it in this game or not, flick on flick off flick on flick off. i can't decide. fuck.
in order to enable frame generation you also must bla bla bla bla
oh you forgot to turn gsync on in windowed mode, its only turned on in fullscreen by default
bla bla bla bla
im losing my fucking mind

 

[outpt]

just kinda thumbed though this and wonder if FSR3 is backward compatible with rdna2 ?

 

[Space Lynx]

just kinda thumbed though this and wonder if FSR3 is backward compatible with rdna2 ?

from what i can tell, yes.

 

[GunShot]

Having FSR 3.0 in 2023 is fine if it looks better than nVidia's mess called Frame Generation.

Nah, I do cooked stuff, not bloody rare.

 

[AsRock]

What's with the three copper coloured "blades" in the heatsink?

A nice touch ?, maybe VRMs around that area ?. Thinking direct contact with them or close at least as it looks a little off.

Don't see any comparison to team green so they probably are far from the performance crown...

... but are cheaper, use less power and have up to date interfaces (DP2.1 and still maintain the USB-C virtuallink). Sounds like a winner (not in marketing but in practise probably pretty good)



Copper is pretty close to red, speed stripes

Yeah but copper is better so better than your average strips, well unless they are fake haha.

 

[Easo]

Why the hell are so many people happy here? Just because these cards cost less than NVidia ones? The price is still high, as was expected plus pretty much no one will find them at MSRP.
So again - why?

 

[Space Lynx]

Why the hell are so many people happy here? Just because these cards cost less than NVidia ones? The price is still high, as was expected plus pretty much no one will find them at MSRP.
So again - why?

these cards aren't for everyone. these are for high end 4k high refresh or 1440p extreme high refresh users. if you don't care about playing AAA titles maxed out with either of those settings, then budget cards for you.

its no different than someone who drives a 60k mercedes, and 30k ford.

they are essentially the same thing, just different experiences. no need to complain, just get what your use case is. if you don't care about any of that and only play at 1080p or 60 fps is fine for you, then you are golden with a 6700 xt

 

[uftfa]

I'm shocked that most think the cards are priced well. 2 years ago, everyone was rightly incensed about the $999 MSRP of the 6900XT. Not sure if this is just fatigue from the GPU-apocalypse or a fallout of nvidia's 4080 pricing insanity.

These cards are further apart than 6900XT AND 6800XT. Just like the "4080 12GB" AMD saw an opening after nvidia's $1200 4080, and decided to price their 7800XT at $900 and name it 7900XT while moving the 7900XT to an XTX.

In the end, we're going to end up paying about 40-50% more from the 6800XT MSRP to get 50-60% extra performance. Minimal change in value. I'm just gonna skip this entire generation and wait 2 years hoping NV/AMD have learnt a lesson and prices come back to the real world.

Nvidia is fucked if AMD's card can outperform the 4090 at that price.

It won't. AMD's own performance difference claims relative to 6950XT put the 7900XTX at roughly 10% below 4090.

 

[Space Lynx]

I'm shocked that most think the cards are priced well. 2 years ago, everyone was rightly incensed about the $999 MSRP of the 6900XT.

not me. i thought the 6800 xt was also fairly priced. its the scalpers charging 1500 for that 999 that was bs.

 

[Punkenjoy]

I agree but AMD did not reduce its prices, though if you think about it. Instead, one of its SKUs stayed neutral in price (6900 intial MSRP $1000) the other SKU was jacked-up $250 (6800xt intial MSRP $650). It seems like AMD was just betting on that many wouldn't notice if they threw a whole bunch of unconfirmed numbers at their slideshow, you know, just like they did with their 7000 series CPUs until the backlash from TRUE gamers exposed them.

Well nobody doing GPU or CPU for charity. This is why we must hope for good competition and not too much price fixing...


It's a big more obvious when you think the 6800XT had 10% less CU than the top SKU and the 7900XT have 12.5% less. Also, Both 6800XT and 6900XT had the same amount of infinity cache, the same amount of Memory and the same bandwidth.

that one is a bit fishy to be honest and i see no point buying the non XTX version if you go for a 7900

 

[uftfa]

not me. i thought the 6800 xt was also fairly priced. its the scalpers charging 1500 for that 999 that was bs.

Of course, 6800XT was fairly priced, I don't think there's much argument about that.

6900XT at $999 however was NOT. Barely a 10% uplift over 6800XT for 50% higher price. Just like 3080 -> 3090 on nvidia's side.

 

[Space Lynx]

Of course, 6800XT was fairly priced, I don't think there's much argument about that.

6900XT at $999 however was NOT. Barely a 10% uplift over 6800XT for 50% higher price. Just like 3080 -> 3090 on nvidia's side.

i understand what you are saying. eh, it is what it is mate. im just happy i can retire from the hardware side of the hobby and enjoy gaming for the next decade. i hope i can get one. those damn bots and third party sellers are the ones who are really ruining everything imo.

 

[Hxx]

Presumably RDNA3 will not beat Ada Lovelace in a head-to-head showdown of game graphics benchmarks. Radeon will probably win the performance-per-watt and performance-per-dollar metrics but those just don't have the same on-screen glamour as real-time gameplay with an fps counter in the corner of the screen.

There is no ADA lovelace competitor released (ie 4080). AMD cant run benchmarks against it because they dont have one and against a 4090 wont make sense to show graphs of 4090 beating their cards in most games. The most logical sense would be against their previous gen.
Besides, these reveals are meant to create FOMO , their thinking is -how do i make these cards look their best without running into legal issues? not so much - how do they stack against all other options. Even Nvidia when they unveiled 40 series, they showed some meaningless graphs where 4090 was 4x faster lol.