The RX 6000 series Owners' Club

[Hekusaurus]

Didn't work. dxgkrnl.sys hitting 28k again.
wdf01000.sys hitting 18k aswell

 

[Kabouter Plop]

what does it report when you run powershell as admin and run the command sfc /scannow ?

 

[Hekusaurus]

what does it report when you run powershell as admin and run the command sfc /scannow ?

"Windows resource protection did not find any integrity violations."
Some people having the same issue

 

[3x0]

wdf01000.sys hitting 18k aswell

Looking at your previous screenshot, wdf01000.sys is only 12 not 12k. You're looking at the wrong number, Interrupt to process latency is in the thousands range not wdf01000.sys

 

[Hekusaurus]

Looking at your previous screenshot, wdf01000.sys is only 12 not 12k. You're looking at the wrong number, Interrupt to process latency is in the thousands range not wdf01000.sys

Good point. The problem however persists when playing for an example wow on main screen and playing any video on second screen. One problem unrelated to dxgkrnl.sys might be because of nvme position on motherboard. Might try to change it tomorrow or change something in bios.

 

[3x0]

Can you try this suggestion first?

Run MSI Util v3 (see below) as an admin and check any/all of the boxes that have msi listed under supported modes then hit apply in the top right and shut down then restart, that will help with latency

MSI_util_v3

MediaFire is a simple to use free service that lets you put all your photos, documents, music, and video in a single place so you can access them anywhere and share them everywhere.

www.mediafire.com

Also - Search and Open Exploit Protection
Under System Settings, Control Flow Guard set it to Off by Default and Restart your computer

 

[Hekusaurus]

Can you try this suggestion first?

Checked it already. All were on and I've set GPU priority to High

 

[Kabouter Plop]

Im surprised even after discovery that setting either 10 bit color depth or disabling MPO there people that seem to believe that its an hardware issue, i seriously hate these type of people, i get it people think like this before this discovery, but after when there even more proof that it is a bug ?

 

[AusWolf]

Hi people.

I'm joining the club (again) with a reference 6750 XT. My first impressions: 1. It's freakin' beautiful. Probably the best looking GPU I've ever owned. 2. It's freakin' hot. GPU temp around 80-85 °C, hot spot around 100-105 °C. Lowering the power target to -6%, or ramping up the case fans for more airflow has no effect. Is this normal?

 

[3x0]

It's a bit hotter than the 6700XT reference from TPU reviews https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6700-xt/33.html
I'd say it's on the hotter side but 115°C should be the throttling point and 105°C is within spec. Might want to try undervolting instead of ramping fans up.

 

[AlwaysHope]

Hi people.

I'm joining the club (again) with a reference 6750 XT. My first impressions: 1. It's freakin' beautiful. Probably the best looking GPU I've ever owned. 2. It's freakin' hot. GPU temp around 80-85 °C, hot spot around 100-105 °C. Lowering the power target to -6%, or ramping up the case fans for more airflow has no effect. Is this normal?

Measuring those temps in Adrenalin software suite? What are the ambient temps in the room?

 

[AusWolf]

Measuring those temps in Adrenalin software suite? What are the ambient temps in the room?

It's in GPU-Z. The room is around 22 °C if my thermostat is correct.

It's a bit hotter than the 6700XT reference from TPU reviews https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-6700-xt/33.html
I'd say it's on the hotter side but 115°C should be the throttling point and 105°C is within spec. Might want to try undervolting instead of ramping fans up.

I might do that. Do you have any experience with the auto undervolt option in Adrenalin? Is it any good?

 

[3x0]

I usually avoid anything automatic relating to OCing. The way I'd do it is manually decrease the voltage in 50mV steps and test for 1h at least each time. Increase by 25mV when unstable. You could even try increasing the frequency slightly while undervolting, might even eek out more performance while you're at it.

 

[AlwaysHope]

It's in GPU-Z. The room is around 22 °C if my thermostat is correct.
...

Ok, but do those temps correspond to what HWiNFO indicates? I should have indicated that earlier in my post. IF this is the situation, then I'd be looking at improving air flow inside your case as a first step in troubleshooting those temps.

 

[AusWolf]

Ok, but do those temps correspond to what HWiNFO indicates? I should have indicated that earlier in my post. IF this is the situation, then I'd be looking at improving air flow inside your case as a first step in troubleshooting those temps.

Do you suspect that GPU-Z reports false temps? I'll check with HWinfo after work.

My case is a Corsair 280X. It's not very good on the airflow department. It's already full of Be Quiet Silent Wings 3 14 cm fans, so the only thing I can do now is taking some panels off.

 

[Valantar]

Hi people.

I'm joining the club (again) with a reference 6750 XT. My first impressions: 1. It's freakin' beautiful. Probably the best looking GPU I've ever owned. 2. It's freakin' hot. GPU temp around 80-85 °C, hot spot around 100-105 °C. Lowering the power target to -6%, or ramping up the case fans for more airflow has no effect. Is this normal?

That sounds a bit high to me. Doesn't the 6750 XT use the 6800 cooler, the two-slot, three-fan one (rather than the two-fan one for the 6700 XT)? I would definitely have expected lower temps than that, seeing how that cooler manages the 6800 very nicely. Their TDPs are the same, and the 6750 XT is a smaller die, so I'd expect it to run a bit hotter, but that's definitely more than I'd expect.

Also: welcome to the dual-wield RDNA2 club!

 

[AusWolf]

That sounds a bit high to me. Doesn't the 6750 XT use the 6800 cooler, the two-slot, three-fan one (rather than the two-fan one for the 6700 XT)? I would definitely have expected lower temps than that, seeing how that cooler manages the 6800 very nicely. Their TDPs are the same, and the 6750 XT is a smaller die, so I'd expect it to run a bit hotter, but that's definitely more than I'd expect.

Also: welcome to the dual-wield RDNA2 club!

Thanks.

That's what I thought too... that it's okay but a bit hotter than what I'd expect. I know that my case's greatest side isn't airflow, but I don't know...

 

[Valantar]

Thanks.

That's what I thought too... that it's okay but a bit hotter than what I'd expect. I know that my case's greatest side isn't airflow, but I don't know...

You could always try removing the front panel and/or opening the side panel to see how the temperatures change? That way you can see if it's the case or if that gpu just has a too conservative fan curve or something.

 

[AusWolf]

You could always try removing the front panel and/or opening the side panel to see how the temperatures change? That way you can see if it's the case or if that gpu just has a too conservative fan curve or something.

I've done a few things, here's the update. So far, I've:

Opened the side of the case - the fans ran a couple percent slower, but no effect on thermals.
Lowered the power target to its lowest, -6% - a 12 W reduction in power, but no effect on thermals.
Tried undervolting - the card is stable with the 1150 mV option, which strangely, is more like 1 V under normal use. That lowered its power consumption by 15 W, but also made the fans spin faster for some reason. That resulted in cooler operation, but not buy much: about -5 °C max.
Tried a more aggressive fan curve - with fans at 100%, the GPU runs at 76-77 °C with a hotspot of 94-95 °C (a 5 °C reduction in GPU temp and a 10 °C reduction in hotspot temp). Not bad, but I'm scared that the neighbours will call the police on me for the noise, not to mention that gaming like this is impossible.

With all this in mind, can we establish that reference design AMD cards run hot and there's nothing to do about it?

 

[GreiverBlade]

this is why i only get references if i plan to use either an aftermarket cooler (like a Prolimatech MK-26) or watercooling (like i did with my R9 290 ref. )

custom design are fine, references are well ... hotter indeed (too bad TPU does not have a 6750 ref. review )


i love the Red Devil, i will never say it enough ... (and i love Opera GX Snapshot function )although it run a smidge hotter than that 6750 XT above

hilarious how the quiet BIOS is only 0.1dBA less but 1° GPU and hotspot more ... not really worth it, she's already almost dead silent under load using the BIOS 1

 

[AusWolf]

this is why i only get references if i plan to use either an aftermarket cooler (like a Prolimatech MK-26) or watercooling (like i did with my R9 290 ref. )

custom design are fine, references are well ... hotter indeed (too bad TPU does not have a 6750 ref. review )
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i love the Red Devil, i will never say it enough ... (and i love Opera GX Snapshot function )although it run a smidge hotter than that 6750 XT above
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hilarious how the quiet BIOS is only 0.1dBA less but 1° GPU and hotspot more ... not really worth it, she's already almost dead silent under load using the BIOS 1

Lesson learned... now only two questions remain:
1. unbearable 100% fan and 95 °C hotspot, or standard curve and 102-105 °C hotspot?
2. AMD says hotspot up to 110 °C is fine, but will heat damage the card over time?

 

[GreiverBlade]

Lesson learned... now only two questions remain:
1. unbearable 100% fan and 95 °C hotspot, or standard curve and 102-105 °C hotspot?
2. AMD says hotspot up to 110 °C is fine, but will heat damage the card over time?

no option to return it and take a custom design for a bit more?

i did 100% fan all the time for a long time with a Asus ROG 8800 Ultra (until i got a the MK-26) and with the R9 290, but at that time i did game with headphones on ... impossible otherwise
edit: oh, and i have no neighbor when it's not either, week end or school holidays ... (and they are bloody freaking noisy when they're here ... so i doubt they would notice the leaf blower running indoor )

for Nr. 2 well if they rate it up to 110°C then 105°C is indeed fine, i doubt they would do a ref. design running that hot if it drastically reduced the product life.

 

[AusWolf]

no option to return it and take a custom design for a bit more?

i did 100% fan all the time for a long time with a Asus ROG 8800 Ultra (until i got a the MK-26) and with the R9 290, but at that time i did game with headphones on ... impossible otherwise

It cost me about £100 less than what custom designs are selling for, that's why I chose this one. Besides, it's f-ing beautiful (which I honestly didn't consider until I opened the box).

If AMD is right, and 105 °C on the hotspot is nothing to worry about, then I'm fine... I'm just not sure if they meant that long-term.

I can understand why you swapped a blower on the 8800 Ultra... I just didn't expect this much heat with a three-fan design, even if it's "only" dual slot.

Edit: The real question here is whether 105 °C is a problem in the card, or a problem in my head.

 

[GreiverBlade]

It cost me about £100 less than what custom designs are selling for

ouch, for once i feel blessed i got a custom design for lower than a ref price ... (which is surprising in Switzerland, thank you cryptocrash! )

Besides, it's f-ing beautiful (which I honestly didn't consider until I opened the box).

indeed it is ... i even kept the ref cooler from the R9 290 when i sold the car with the Aquatuning block on it (not as beautiful but still a nice collection item for me )

Edit: The real question here is whether 105 °C is a problem in the card, or a problem in my head.

well heat damage electronics indeed but if a component is rated "up to" a certain temp, as long as it's not above that limit, it should be fine (like for caps, in a PSU i had electrolyte caps rated 90°C bursting but the polymer caps rated at 105°C were fine running constantly just 5°C lower of max, i re-capped the whole PSU electrolyte caps with equivalent polymer caps, but that one was a bad design ... why use lower end caps rated 10°C lower than the load operating temps ... and i could use that PSU for 5 more years after warranty expiration which was 3yrs)

If AMD is right, and 105 °C on the hotspot is nothing to worry about, then I'm fine... I'm just not sure if they meant that long-term.

well ... long term running 100% load all the time, but you don't run it 100% all the time? right?

I can understand why you swapped a blower on the 8800 Ultra... I just didn't expect this much heat with a three-fan design, even if it's "only" dual slot.

yep ... furthermore that the blower was a reference design with a ROG sticker slapped on it ( at the time all AIB board were just references with "cosmetics" on them... just like my 9800 GX2 from Zotac which was also reference copycat with branding ... although i lost the shroud on that one hehe )

 

[Valantar]

With all this in mind, can we establish that reference design AMD cards run hot and there's nothing to do about it?

That sounds like it's the case for this, but not in general - the RX 6800 reference runs pretty cool for a reference card. With the same (ish?) cooler and TDP. Seems to me that the RX 6750XT is just a hotter running die overall - it's definitely pushed quite far in terms of clocks and power for such a small die.

I would definitely go for hotter and quieter, but then I'm generally very sensitive to noise. 100% fans on any GPU would be unbearable to me. But I also wouldn't worry about 105°C hotspot temps. AMD guarantees 110°C (and yes, that's long-term), and silicon can handle temperatures quite a bit above that before taking damage at sensible voltages and current levels. There's safety margin built into that 110°C number too after all. And, of course, the hotspot will most likely move around the die - it's not the same area hitting those temperatures all the time.

It might be worth looking into repasting and increasing mounting pressure on the cooler though, as that's been a repeated complaint about some AMD reference designs - either using some sort of quasi-thermal pad instead of paste, having too low mounting pressure (due to the thickness of these pads/sheets), or both. Nylon washers behind the retention screws would do the trick.