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Oh! Interesting twist. Maybe it was a regional thing for a short time?I didn't test a review sample, I purchased the drive myself from a German retailer
Oh! Interesting twist. Maybe it was a regional thing for a short time?I didn't test a review sample, I purchased the drive myself from a German retailer
Processor | Q9650 @4.25GHz(8,5*500MHz) |
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Motherboard | Gigabyte EP45-DS3P |
Memory | 2x2GB Corsair XMS2 1066MHz DDR2 Ram |
Video Card(s) | Gigabyte GTX 460 1GB OC @975/4600MHz |
Storage | 256GB Corsair Performance Pro + 2x500GB WD Caviar Black RAID0 + 2TB WD Caviar Green |
Display(s) | 23'' Samsung 2333T c-PVA |
Case | Thermaltake Tsun ami Dream Mid Tower Case |
Power Supply | Seasonic Platinum 1kW |
Processor | Ryzen 7 5700X |
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Memory | 48 GB |
Video Card(s) | RTX 4080 |
Storage | 2x HDD RAID 1, 3x M.2 NVMe |
Display(s) | 30" 2560x1600 + 19" 1280x1024 |
Software | Windows 10 64-bit |
Good suggestion.. I have Colorful CN600 and CN700 here, just no time to review yetNo Maxio controller drive in TPU review sheet yet.
The WD performs a little better(1%) but is a bit more expensive($10) depending on where you buy it. Both use TLC NAND from Toshiba, which is good quality. The Kingston has a 3year warranty, where as the WD has a 5year. You're effectively paying $10 for two extra years of warranty. So it comes down to personal preference. I like the Kingston as is seems the better value, but that's just me..Guys between this SSD and the WD SN570, which one is more worthwhile? By the tests in the review it seemed that the NV2 excelled in everything, but i see many people recommending the WD. Thanks
System Name | Aorus |
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Processor | 14600K |
Motherboard | Gigabyte Aorus B760 AX DDR4 |
Cooling | ID-Cooling A720 |
Memory | 64GB Kingston Renegade 3600mhz |
Video Card(s) | Gigabyte 4070 Super Aorus Master |
Storage | 970 evo plus 870 evo 860 evo Kinston NV2 all 1TB |
Display(s) | Corsair 315QHD165 |
Case | Nzxt H440 white |
Audio Device(s) | Jbl quantum duo |
Power Supply | Corsair RMx 650 2021 |
Mouse | Razer basilisk V3 |
Keyboard | Razer ornata V2 |
Software | Win 11 |
System Name | Aorus |
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Processor | 14600K |
Motherboard | Gigabyte Aorus B760 AX DDR4 |
Cooling | ID-Cooling A720 |
Memory | 64GB Kingston Renegade 3600mhz |
Video Card(s) | Gigabyte 4070 Super Aorus Master |
Storage | 970 evo plus 870 evo 860 evo Kinston NV2 all 1TB |
Display(s) | Corsair 315QHD165 |
Case | Nzxt H440 white |
Audio Device(s) | Jbl quantum duo |
Power Supply | Corsair RMx 650 2021 |
Mouse | Razer basilisk V3 |
Keyboard | Razer ornata V2 |
Software | Win 11 |
Hello. The review says it has 2 temp sensors. My 1tb smi controller NV2 shows just 1 temp in hwinfo...Is there another way to test ? Thanks
The question you're asking is fairly technical. It's not that anyone is being rude, but as a rule, if we don't have an answer, we tend not to chime in. The second sensor may not be visible to the external system if it's just wired to the SSD controller for internal monitoring. There could be a variety of other reasons why that second sensor doesn't show up in any given utility, including that the utility in question may not be programmatically able to see it.Can we call this thread dead ? And close it since nobody answers ?
System Name | Aorus |
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Processor | 14600K |
Motherboard | Gigabyte Aorus B760 AX DDR4 |
Cooling | ID-Cooling A720 |
Memory | 64GB Kingston Renegade 3600mhz |
Video Card(s) | Gigabyte 4070 Super Aorus Master |
Storage | 970 evo plus 870 evo 860 evo Kinston NV2 all 1TB |
Display(s) | Corsair 315QHD165 |
Case | Nzxt H440 white |
Audio Device(s) | Jbl quantum duo |
Power Supply | Corsair RMx 650 2021 |
Mouse | Razer basilisk V3 |
Keyboard | Razer ornata V2 |
Software | Win 11 |
I think the model i have with smi controller is worse than the phison one. Like everybody says one for reviews and one for retail. In my country i cant find the phison one anywere so i guess phison is the better one. Thanks for the answer and sorry for my way of say it above.The question you're asking is fairly technical. It's not that anyone is being rude, but as a rule, if we don't have an answer, we tend not to chime in. The second sensor may not be visible to the external system if it's just wired to the SSD controller for internal monitoring. There could be a variety of other reasons why that second sensor doesn't show up in any given utility, including that the utility in question may not be programmatically able to.
Processor | i5-6600K |
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Motherboard | Asus Z170A |
Cooling | some cheap Cooler Master Hyper 103 or similar |
Memory | 16GB DDR4-2400 |
Video Card(s) | IGP |
Storage | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB |
Display(s) | 2x Oldell 24" 1920x1200 |
Case | Bitfenix Nova white windowless non-mesh |
Audio Device(s) | E-mu 1212m PCI |
Power Supply | Seasonic G-360 |
Mouse | Logitech Marble trackball, never had a mouse |
Keyboard | Key Tronic KT2000, no Win key because 1994 |
Software | Oldwin |
It's a thread that belongs to a review by TPU, and I don't think those are ever closed.I think the model i have with smi controller is worse than the phison one. Like everybody says one for reviews and one for retail. In my country i cant find the phison one anywere so i guess phison is the better one. Thanks for the answer and sorry for my way of say it above.
That really doesn't happen very often. W1zzard stated earlier that he bought his review sample himself at retail, so Kingston didn't send him anything. What's likely going on is that Kingston, like a great many other companies, are feeling the effects of the chip shortage and are doing their best to keep their stock flowing. This likely means sourcing NAND controllers from multiple vendors. It's not an attempt at anything shady, it's just getting the job done.Like everybody says one for reviews and one for retail.
System Name | Aorus |
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Processor | 14600K |
Motherboard | Gigabyte Aorus B760 AX DDR4 |
Cooling | ID-Cooling A720 |
Memory | 64GB Kingston Renegade 3600mhz |
Video Card(s) | Gigabyte 4070 Super Aorus Master |
Storage | 970 evo plus 870 evo 860 evo Kinston NV2 all 1TB |
Display(s) | Corsair 315QHD165 |
Case | Nzxt H440 white |
Audio Device(s) | Jbl quantum duo |
Power Supply | Corsair RMx 650 2021 |
Mouse | Razer basilisk V3 |
Keyboard | Razer ornata V2 |
Software | Win 11 |
That really doesn't happen very often. W1zzard stated earlier that he bought his review sample himself at retail, so Kingston didn't send him anything. What's likely going on is that Kingston, like a great many other companies, are feeling the effects of the chip shortage and are doing their best to keep their stock flowing. This likely means sourcing NAND controllers from multiple vendors. It's not an attempt at anything shady, it's just getting the job done.
Does that make sensi
I will say nothing is shady until i will see a side by side comparation of this two versionsThat really doesn't happen very often. W1zzard stated earlier that he bought his review sample himself at retail, so Kingston didn't send him anything. What's likely going on is that Kingston, like a great many other companies, are feeling the effects of the chip shortage and are doing their best to keep their stock flowing. This likely means sourcing NAND controllers from multiple vendors. It's not an attempt at anything shady, it's just getting the job done.
Does that make sense?
You can make a determination yourself. Run some drive benchmarks and compare to this review. If the results are close enough, there you go.I will say nothing is shady until i will see a side by side comparation of this two versions![]()
System Name | Main PC |
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Processor | 13700k |
Motherboard | Asrock Z690 Steel Legend D4 - Bios 13.02 |
Cooling | Noctua NH-D15S |
Memory | 32 Gig 3200CL14 |
Video Card(s) | 4080 RTX SUPER FE 16G |
Storage | 1TB 980 PRO, 2TB SN850X, 2TB DC P4600, 1TB 860 EVO, 2x 3TB WD Red, 2x 4TB WD Red |
Display(s) | LG 27GL850 |
Case | Fractal Define R4 |
Audio Device(s) | Soundblaster AE-9 |
Power Supply | Antec HCG 750 Gold |
Software | Windows 10 21H2 LTSC |
Mapping tables has always been my concern on dramless, as I believe where its stored cannot be wear levelled well so DRAM greatly improves endurance, this flaw might be long resolved but not mentioned in reviews hence my decision to keep buying DRAM SSDs.It would be great if you could measure the size of the pseudo-SLC cache once again when the drive is 80% full. Is it as large as physically possible (so ~66 GB) or is it at 20% of 88 GB (so ~18 GB)? Or something else?
I think that there must be some technical reason, not just product segmentation, to limit the pSLC cache and not let it expand over the entire flash memory. Maybe it's because of controller limits (small internal RAM etc.) or related to the size of the host memory buffer. Phison's blog gives a small hint:
Yeah same with SMR not been cheaper than CMR.Replace "five times more expensive" with just "more expensive" and my point stays the same - I did try to compare the NV1 to the most expensive, "obsessive enthusiast" level of devices in practical applications. In the shop I usually buy from, NV2 is, at the moment, the least expensive m.2 NVME drive or very close to being one, about five times cheaper than the most expensive drives of similar capacity. So what would I get for more money, no matter if just a tiny bit or a lot more? No practical improvement in any of the use cases the drive is intended for - it being a consumer device. I did not count SATA drives, a choice I should have mentioned, since I have no use for anything other than m.2 NVME. The car analogy you mentioned holds true for me - I don't care for "fun", whatever it would mean for a mass storage device. I want it to work for the intended purpose, a hybrid Toyota is an infinitely better car than a Maserati if you live in a city.
Don't take it as me trying to be snarky, I'm genuinely trying to understand the rationale behind buying unnecessarily expensive products. Does a typical consumer spend his days transferring large files or installing software all day long? This is a simple drive for people with simple, limited needs. If a person needs unparalleled performance for an income generating machine, there is a whole world of extremely fast and reliable storage. As for QLC not being cheaper than TLC - there's a lot going on with pricing a product. Manufacturing and sales volumes come to mind, TLC is probably being phased out of manufacturing because QLC has more density and therefore allows for bigger margins. Corporations never ever, in any market segment, pass their savings to consumers, "whatever the market will bear" pricing strategy is alive and well. Your problem therefore seems to be with corporate pricing practices, not with products.
Again and honestly not being sarcastic: What do you do with consumer hardware to be limited by it's capabilities? "Objectively better" doesn't mean anything if there's no need for it being better, it just becomes a waste of money a person spends on underutilized capacity.
System Name | Aorus |
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Processor | 14600K |
Motherboard | Gigabyte Aorus B760 AX DDR4 |
Cooling | ID-Cooling A720 |
Memory | 64GB Kingston Renegade 3600mhz |
Video Card(s) | Gigabyte 4070 Super Aorus Master |
Storage | 970 evo plus 870 evo 860 evo Kinston NV2 all 1TB |
Display(s) | Corsair 315QHD165 |
Case | Nzxt H440 white |
Audio Device(s) | Jbl quantum duo |
Power Supply | Corsair RMx 650 2021 |
Mouse | Razer basilisk V3 |
Keyboard | Razer ornata V2 |
Software | Win 11 |
Hello. My drive has 300 gb free of 900gb. It is running in pci 3.0 mode like yours but there is a HUGE difference in write speed...Any ideea why ? ThanksSome benhmarks.
System - Msi B450 Tomahawk Max, R3600 stock, 2X8GB 3200 ram.
Nvme disk is working in Pcie 3.0 x4 mode and has some airflow blowing on to it.
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At least Nand is the same Toshiba 112-layer 3D TLC BiCS5 as in review.
Same test but now the drive has 463gb free out of 931gb.This makes a HUGE difference in write speeds.Hello. My drive has 300 gb free of 900gb. It is running in pci 3.0 mode like yours but there is a HUGE difference in write speed...Any ideea why ? Thanks
Processor | i5-6600K |
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Motherboard | Asus Z170A |
Cooling | some cheap Cooler Master Hyper 103 or similar |
Memory | 16GB DDR4-2400 |
Video Card(s) | IGP |
Storage | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB |
Display(s) | 2x Oldell 24" 1920x1200 |
Case | Bitfenix Nova white windowless non-mesh |
Audio Device(s) | E-mu 1212m PCI |
Power Supply | Seasonic G-360 |
Mouse | Logitech Marble trackball, never had a mouse |
Keyboard | Key Tronic KT2000, no Win key because 1994 |
Software | Oldwin |
Interesting. Around 700 MB/s is what W1zzard got once the SLC cache was exhausted. So your previous results might mean that a 2/3 full drive is unable to use the cache, or exhausts it in a very short time (much earlier than ATTO finishes its job), or something like that.Hello. My drive has 300 gb free of 900gb. It is running in pci 3.0 mode like yours but there is a HUGE difference in write speed...Any ideea why ? Thanks
Same test but now the drive has 463gb free out of 931gb.This makes a HUGE difference in write speeds.
That sounds about right. There are limits to how far and effect the SLC cache can be.Interesting. Around 700 MB/s is what W1zzard got once the SLC cache was exhausted. So your previous results might mean that a 2/3 full drive is unable to use the cache, or exhausts it in a very short time (much earlier than ATTO finishes its job), or something like that.
I bought NV2 1TB from AliExpress for just $57.99. The nand is Intel 144L QLC. The BOM of Kingston entry level consumer SSD is not stable.Given that the NAND does seem to be the same, I think the change in controller can be forgiven.
System Name | Aorus |
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Processor | 14600K |
Motherboard | Gigabyte Aorus B760 AX DDR4 |
Cooling | ID-Cooling A720 |
Memory | 64GB Kingston Renegade 3600mhz |
Video Card(s) | Gigabyte 4070 Super Aorus Master |
Storage | 970 evo plus 870 evo 860 evo Kinston NV2 all 1TB |
Display(s) | Corsair 315QHD165 |
Case | Nzxt H440 white |
Audio Device(s) | Jbl quantum duo |
Power Supply | Corsair RMx 650 2021 |
Mouse | Razer basilisk V3 |
Keyboard | Razer ornata V2 |
Software | Win 11 |
Yes. But you can always partition less space so that the NAND controller always has enough unused space to have an SLC cache. For example: With a 1TB drive, only partition 900GB of it and leave the remainder unallocated. With a 2TB drive, partition 1800GB and leave the rest unallocated. You lose that space but maintain the SLC cache buffer performance. This doesn't work on all drives, but the newer DRAMless models which employ SLC caching schemes, like the Kingston, are highly likely too benefit from such a partitioning tactic.So i guess its safe to say that the 2Tb version is the better choice if someone wants better performance.
Its weird that i have to keep my drive half empty if i want better performance....
System Name | Aorus |
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Processor | 14600K |
Motherboard | Gigabyte Aorus B760 AX DDR4 |
Cooling | ID-Cooling A720 |
Memory | 64GB Kingston Renegade 3600mhz |
Video Card(s) | Gigabyte 4070 Super Aorus Master |
Storage | 970 evo plus 870 evo 860 evo Kinston NV2 all 1TB |
Display(s) | Corsair 315QHD165 |
Case | Nzxt H440 white |
Audio Device(s) | Jbl quantum duo |
Power Supply | Corsair RMx 650 2021 |
Mouse | Razer basilisk V3 |
Keyboard | Razer ornata V2 |
Software | Win 11 |
It was about time for them to switch to qlc trash...At least the price is good but in my country i paid 65 euro for the tlc toshiba nand version...I bought NV2 1TB from AliExpress for just $57.99. The nand is Intel 144L QLC. The BOM of Kingston entry level consumer SSD is not stable.
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Processor | Ryzen 7 5700X |
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Memory | 48 GB |
Video Card(s) | RTX 4080 |
Storage | 2x HDD RAID 1, 3x M.2 NVMe |
Display(s) | 30" 2560x1600 + 19" 1280x1024 |
Software | Windows 10 64-bit |
Oh wow that sucks .. somehow I don't think it'll reach the quoted specsIntel 144L QLC
Processor | i5-6600K |
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Motherboard | Asus Z170A |
Cooling | some cheap Cooler Master Hyper 103 or similar |
Memory | 16GB DDR4-2400 |
Video Card(s) | IGP |
Storage | Samsung 850 EVO 250GB |
Display(s) | 2x Oldell 24" 1920x1200 |
Case | Bitfenix Nova white windowless non-mesh |
Audio Device(s) | E-mu 1212m PCI |
Power Supply | Seasonic G-360 |
Mouse | Logitech Marble trackball, never had a mouse |
Keyboard | Key Tronic KT2000, no Win key because 1994 |
Software | Oldwin |
But what do you do if SLC caching (apparently) stops working while your SSD still has 300 GB free out of 900 GB total?Yes. But you can always partition less space so that the NAND controller always has enough unused space to have an SLC cache. For example: With a 1TB drive, only partition 900GB of it and leave the remainder unallocated. With a 2TB drive, partition 1800GB and leave the rest unallocated. You lose that space but maintain the SLC cache buffer performance. This doesn't work on all drives, but the newer DRAMless models which employ SLC caching schemes, like the Kingston, are highly likely too benefit from such a partitioning tactic.
System Name | Aorus |
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Processor | 14600K |
Motherboard | Gigabyte Aorus B760 AX DDR4 |
Cooling | ID-Cooling A720 |
Memory | 64GB Kingston Renegade 3600mhz |
Video Card(s) | Gigabyte 4070 Super Aorus Master |
Storage | 970 evo plus 870 evo 860 evo Kinston NV2 all 1TB |
Display(s) | Corsair 315QHD165 |
Case | Nzxt H440 white |
Audio Device(s) | Jbl quantum duo |
Power Supply | Corsair RMx 650 2021 |
Mouse | Razer basilisk V3 |
Keyboard | Razer ornata V2 |
Software | Win 11 |
Good question. I don't have an answer for you.But what do you do if SLC caching (apparently) stops working while your SSD still has 300 GB free out of 900 GB total?
That is strange. There's got to be a logical answer.I do have a theory, stupid maybe, but here it is. The free space became very fragmented after a lot of writing and erasing of files. The fragmentation may be internal, not even visible to the OS. On the other hand, the pseudo-SLC caching requires a large unbroken chunk of storage space to work. A few GB, maybe tens of GB. That unbroken space didn't exist until @CatalinT removed ~160 GB. On the second benchmarking attempt, it was there, and pSLC could ingest the data very fast.