AMD Readies 16-core, 12-core, and 8-core Ryzen 7000X3D "Zen 4" Processors

[The King]

When it comes to gaming you can't beat the price performance of the 5800X3D period. 7600X does out perform 13600K on AVG.
Performance between 7900X and 13700K is close one is better at gaming the other better at compute.

Looking at compute. 5800X3D does fall to the bottom of the chart. Despite being at the bottom of the chart less than 5% slower than a 12600K at compute.
Local (India) market the 7700X and 5800X3D are priced about the same.

There is also a price performance chart but that has old prices so never post it.

 

[pjl321]

I am pretty sure AMD will release Zen 4 3D on at least the 8 core and 16 core flagships as they are easily interchangeable (plus with Milan X) but not sure they would put an expensive hat on defective silicon for the 6 core chiplets.
I could also easily see AMD pulling in Threadripper 6000 (Zen 4 based) as they don't need to worry about not having enough chiplets for Epyc like they did during Zen 3, things aren't flying off the shelves right now (hence the massive price cuts to Ryzen) so they have more than enough production for all variants for all markets.

I also don't believe AMD can afford to take their foot off the gas right now, they need all the performance crowns they can get to help fight Nvidia mindshare for their Radeon division. So if Zen 4 3D wins in gaming, Zen 4 Epyc wins in servers and Zen 4 Threadripper wins in workstation then the 7900XTX will subconsciously get a much better reception because 'AMD' is seen as a dominant winner.

 

[zlobby]

Meanwhile intel:

 

[HD64G]

my guess is...

$450 7800x3d, $599 7900 X3D, and $799 7950x3d

Most possibly, the 3D will take the initial prices of the non-3D cpus that are now discounted officially.

 

[Denver]

This model should have been released first... it would make a much better impression and they are the most interesting models for pure gaming.

 

[spnidel]

The 5800X3D is great at gaming yet sucks at everything else.

...sucks at everything else? what

This model should have been released first... it would make a much better impression and they are the most interesting models for pure gaming.

but then they wouldn't have been able to price the standard models at the price these X3D models will cost now, and make more money per each tier that weren't the X3D variants xD

 

[Calenhad]

The 7950X is not what I'd call a gaming cpu. The 5800X3D excelled at gaming yet sucks at productivity due to stacking cache. So what AMD is doing if the OP isn't fake news is AMD is taking their expensive flagship cpu that isn't their best gaming cpu in the Zen4 lineup and making it even more expensive. What am I missing here.

There are numerous non-gaming tasks that are cache heavy. Using more threads will increase the need for more cache, and it may not be a linear correlation. So a 7950X3D makes alot of sense if you are doing heavy computational tasks. This should be a solid product for the "should have had a Threadripper, but can not afford one" professionals.

Because these 3D chiplets need lower voltages, they cant run at the same clockspeeds and wattages as the regular chips - they'd get slaughtered by the basic websites that only care about the clock speed and the cinebench scores

This was true for the 5800X3D. Does not have to be so for the 7000-series.
Personally I expect a less impact on clockspeeds this generation. But I will be surprised if there are none.

 

[HD64G]

Me thinks that from next Ryzen series they are should launch all CPUs from 8 cores and up with a 3D cache and leave the cheapest 6 core only without it. No need to have 2 confusing and seperate stacks of CPUs on desktop imho.

 

[freeagent]

It is easy to get mesmerized by graphs. Big core counts= big numbers, including big power draw and thermals compared to the lower count chips. The cool thing about X3D is it is strong enough for daily tasks, and it is super easy to cool. Like my fans barely do much, my system is quiet unless I load some F@H or something. It is literally a whisper almost all of the time

Yes, it is a little less snappy in day-to-day stuff compared to my 5900X boosting to 5150, but it is still livable. It is pretty sucky that they locked it down so much, but I can see why... there are many people who complain about its temps, not sure what to say about that tbh. AIOs suck?

 

[N3M3515]

Something isn't right. The 7950X is the last cpu in the new AMD lineup that anyone with an IQ above 100 would purchase for a gaming build yet AMD is making a X3D version of that cpu while skipping the 7600X which would seem to be the go-to cpu for most gamers looking at a new AMD build.

Higher margin.

 

[bonehead123]

Can someone please wake me up when they drop down to less than $200

 

[Josh128]

You guys realize these Zen 4 X3D results in the charts are complete BS, right? They are nothing more than extrapolations of the percentage uplift that the 5800X3D gets over the 5800X. I dont read Korean or Chinese, but look at the yellow bars and do the math of them vs Zen 4 and then compare to the percentage shown for the 5800X vs 5800X3D. Its exactly the same for average and 1% lows.

 

[ymbaja]

A 7900X3D / 7700X3D makes sense. A 7950X3D not so much imo.

While I agree from a value standpoint, from the chart provided the projected performance would be on par (maybe a frame or two less) in gaming and still crush in multi-thread. Since I mostly get my kicks off value over raw performance I probably wouldn’t buy it, but if I was in the latter group I certainly would.

 

[Dave65]

So much for the bought and paid for tech channels with "THERE WILL BE NO 12 or 16 core X3D models..

 

[gffermari]

The 7950X3D makes sense since there are many applications that are cache sensitive.

Example:

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D On Linux: Not For Gaming, But Very Exciting For Other Workloads - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

Intel Core i9-12900K vs. AMD EPYC 7373X vs. AMD Ryzen 9 5950X Benchmarks - OpenBenchmarking.org

openbenchmarking.org

I wouldn't say that the 5800X3D sucks at productivity. I've had a 4770K for yeaaaaaars before I jump to AM4 and most of us were stuck in the 4/8 era. And now a 8/16 cpu is garbage?
And practically until now, only a few cpus (3950X, 5900X, 5950X and the 12th gen Intels) have been faster than this by a meaningful margin.

 

[Deleted member 185088]

That would make sense. In my opinion AMD simply can't afford to make the AM5 platform even more more expensive if they want to sell not only a relatively small portion of the chips made and lose furthermore market share. It's unreasonable trying to sell a product at comparable/higher price when performance does not match, at least in a market where you have alternatives available. The "good" old times are over.

Their issue is motherboards, the CPUs are good and with current prices acceptable, but a B650 for the a price of Z690 is beyond stupid.

 

[Why_Me]

Their issue is motherboards, the CPUs are good and with current prices acceptable, but a B650 for the a price of Z690 is beyond stupid.

It's going to get even worse for AMD imo when Intel releases their locked cpu's and B760 boards January 3rd.

 

[ThomasK]

Me thinks

Was that a Joe reference?

 

[kajson]

Maybe AMD just wants to be on top for a while and shut intel and all fanboys up for a bit. This should do the trick.. intels bullcrap 6k ghz will be dead in the water. They might as well cancel it. Mobo prices won't be a big issue for potential buyers of this monstrosity.

 

[Why_Me]

Maybe AMD just wants to be on top for a while and shut intel and all fanboys up for a bit. This should do the trick.. intels bullcrap 6k ghz will be dead in the water. They might as well cancel it. Mobo prices won't be a big issue for potential buyers of this monstrosity.

AMD's Zen 4 is taking a beating atm and I don't see these X3D cpu's helping them all that much when the majority of gamers aren't going to want their budget ate up by the board and cpu.

 

[docnorth]

This is a real hot topic reaching 95-100 C and a comparable number of comments.
To be fair that might include some CPU’s from Intel too...

 

[N3M3515]

AMD's Zen 4 is taking a beating

These comments make me very curious, please define "taking a beating"

 

[Why_Me]

These comments make me very curious, please define "taking a beating"

Pretty simple tbh. They aren't selling well.

 

[N3M3515]

Pretty simple tbh. They aren't selling well.

Taking a beating from themselves i guess?

 

[Ayhamb99]

It's going to get even worse for AMD imo when Intel releases their locked cpu's and B760 boards January 3rd.

I wouldn't really count on the locked Raptor Lake CPUs and B760 because i think from the 13600 and below they are just alder lake refreshes with E-cores added, Multi-threaded performance gains of course will be impressive but single core/gaming performance won't get that big of a boost compared to the locked alder lake CPUs.

The 7950X3D makes sense since there are many applications that are cache sensitive.

Example:

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D On Linux: Not For Gaming, But Very Exciting For Other Workloads - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

Intel Core i9-12900K vs. AMD EPYC 7373X vs. AMD Ryzen 9 5950X Benchmarks - OpenBenchmarking.org

openbenchmarking.org

I wouldn't say that the 5800X3D sucks at productivity. I've had a 4770K for yeaaaaaars before I jump to AM4 and most of us were stuck in the 4/8 era. And now a 8/16 cpu is garbage?
And practically until now, only a few cpus (3950X, 5900X, 5950X and the 12th gen Intels) have been faster than this by a meaningful margin.

The applications that were benchmarked don't really seem to be mainstream/known (Referring to the linux benchmarks mostly) and in very very special use-scenarios so i wouldn't really say that a 7950X3D makes sense. The X3D chips are marketed heavily for gaming so a 16c/32t with extra cache doesn't really make sense to be honest considering gaming doesn't really utilize more than 8c. I am suspecting that the 7800X3D will have 10c/20t because there were leaks for a 7800X last month or so that has 10c/20t.

Taking a beating from themselves i guess?

He quoted that Zen 4 isn't selling well, not Zen 3. Of course Zen 3 sales is still dominating because these people are most probably upgrading from an older Zen 1/Zen+ CPU (Find it weird how the 3600 is a top selling CPU, even at that price the 12100F/5600 would be a way better deal.) He has a point because there are not that many people that are willing to take the DDR5 and B650/X670 Tax to jump to Zen 4 and Intel's Raptor Lake can still be run on the last gen B660 and Z690 board which got pretty nice discounts in the last week or so and they also support DDR4 while still being competitive with Zen 4.