AMD Readies 16-core, 12-core, and 8-core Ryzen 7000X3D "Zen 4" Processors

[QuietBob]

In case anyone's wondering, the first slide shows averaged projected gains for CoD: MW2 (extreme preset), CP2077 (RT Ultra + DLSS3) and Spider-Man: MM (max detail + DLSS3).

The second chart shows averaged projected gains for Lost Ark (max preset) and PUBG (ultra preset). The final slide is an average of all five games.

 

[wheresmycar]

AMD, pull yourself together and drop a 7600X3D. I can't see AM5 being an overnight success with supposedly $450/+ X3D offerings. I wouldn't touch it at that price. A $300-$350 7600X3D would do it nicely for me... otherwise the 5800X3D it is.

 

[gffermari]

The problem is the AM5 mobo prices, not the cpu ones.
And the funny thing is that AMD reduced their cpu prices because they can't control the AIBs.

((The mobo manufacturers don't want to sell a mobo that will last 5+ years, so in order to gain as much as possible, they exaggerated a little in their pricing. That's another reason why they love Intel...))

 

[Minus Infinity]

WTaF, the other day we see headlines only coming to 7600 and 7700. Now it's back to what we were originally told, 16, 12 and 8. Are they doing a 6 core as well, because they need it. 7900X3D would make me wait to see how it fares against 13700K in non-gaming software, I know it will kick the crap out of RL for gaming. But the price will be $649 well more like $1100 in Australia so 13700K still looks like the way to go.

 

[Why_Me]

WTaF, the other day we see headlines only coming to 7600 and 7700. Now it's back to what we were originally told, 16, 12 and 8. Are they doing a 6 core as well, because they need it. 7900X3D would make me wait to see how it fares against 13700K in non-gaming software, I know it will kick the crap out of RL for gaming. But the price will be $649 well more like $1100 in Australia so 13700K still looks like the way to go.

Save your money and look at the i7 13700 / 13700F.

 

[Crackong]

WTaF, the other day we see headlines only coming to 7600 and 7700. Now it's back to what we were originally told, 16, 12 and 8.

AMD did their NDA policy pretty tight, so AMD rumors are usually just "rumors".
Intel "rumors" on the other hand are usually pretty accruate.

 

[Denver]

AMD's Zen 4 is taking a beating atm and I don't see these X3D cpu's helping them all that much when the majority of gamers aren't going to want their budget ate up by the board and cpu.

Well... I suspect that a large portion of the hundreds of thousands of people who paid nearly $2000 for the 4090 are willing to pay $500-800 for a processor that can wring every last drop of performance out of their overpriced GPU.

 

[Why_Me]

Well... I suspect that a large portion of the hundreds of thousands of people who paid nearly $2000 for the 4090 are willing to pay $500-800 for a processor that can wring every last drop of performance out of their overpriced GPU.

I've learned over the years that Nvidia users lean towards Intel cpu's and vice versa.

 

[N3M3515]

He has a point because there are not that many people that are willing to take the DDR5 and B650/X670 Tax

I also think they are expensive, and raptor lake is very fast, but from my current stage (R9 5900X), i'll probably wait for the 8000 series and buy a X670 Extreme. The same i did long ago when i bought the X470 Taichi Ultimate that was pretty expensive for the time ($250) and lasted me 4 gens (Zen 1 - Zen+ - Zen 2 - Zen 3)(And still going). The X670 Should last for 3 generations i guess. Last jump would be 10000 series.

 

[Minus Infinity]

Save your money and look at the i7 13700 / 13700F.

And when are they releasing?

 

[Dirt Chip]

AMD, pull yourself together and drop a 7600X3D. I can't see AM5 being an overnight success with supposedly $450/+ X3D offerings. I wouldn't touch it at that price. A $300-$350 7600X3D would do it nicely for me... otherwise the 5800X3D it is.

AMD is more oriented towards the premium markets as of the last 1-2 years and will stay there as it seems.
Margins and profit are larger and if they have production capacity at TSMC (just as every company have, except Apple maybe)) they are doing right to focus on the higher tiers.
Intel will stay the value choice for new system builders this and next year.

 

[Why_Me]

And when are they releasing?

January 3rd.

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-t...pus-and-b760-motherboards-on-january-3rd-2023

Intel B760 Motherboards & 13th Gen Non-K CPUs To Launch on 3rd January, 2023

Intel will be launching its mainstream B760 motherboards and 13th Gen Non-K CPUs on the 3rd of January, just around CES 2023.

wccftech.com

 

[LabRat 891]

Does anyone else remember AMD having a press-release saying they were going to release more than just the 5800x3d on AM4?
Been hoping AM4 gets a minor-refresh, and said zen3d.

 

[AlwaysHope]

Something isn't right. The 7950X is the last cpu in the new AMD lineup that anyone with an IQ above 100 would purchase for a gaming build yet AMD is making a X3D version of that cpu while skipping the 7600X which would seem to be the go-to cpu for most gamers looking at a new AMD build.

If its for a gaming build, then all one needs is 8 strong threads or cores. After all, Sony & MS have reported there will not be any major console upgrades until 2028. And as you know for sure, devs aim games at consoles first, then PC. That's why I'm sticking to 8 cores & disabling HT on my rig. Besides that anything above 1440p is GPU bound anyway.
But yeah, its nice to have a lot of cache however other hardware affects the gaming performance as well.

 

[dwarfcow]

Something isn't right. The 7950X is the last cpu in the new AMD lineup that anyone with an IQ above 100 would purchase for a gaming build yet AMD is making a X3D version of that cpu while skipping the 7600X which would seem to be the go-to cpu for most gamers looking at a new AMD build.

A lot of PC enthusiasts get stuck in the head space of "just 100 more dollars gets me a bit more performance". It's not stupid, they just budget differently than you. Especially when it's just a drop in part. Are all the people driving Corvettes and Porsches around on the road stupid because they drive the speed limit? You sound like you're stuck in your own reality.

 

[Dirt Chip]

A lot of PC enthusiasts get stuck in the head space of "just 100 more dollars gets me a bit more performance". It's not stupid, they just budget differently than you. Especially when it's just a drop in part. Are all the people driving Corvettes and Porsches around on the road stupid because they drive the speed limit? You sound like you're stuck in your own reality.

I agreed up until the car metaphor jumped in out of nowhere.

 

[MrMeth]

Hopefully with this beast of a cpu, Intel will be forced to lower prices on their current higher end CPU's so I can take advantage of.

Not to bust your bubble but Intel very rarely l lowers prices if ever. Before 12gen Intel was behind on price/ performance for almost 3 generations and prices didn't move.

 

[Garrus]

I would like to be able to play like Cyberpunk 2077 and RDR2 at 165hz 165 fps maxed out... BUT i am ok with putting settings on medium to make that happen... so eh. lol

I have a 165 fps 1440p monitor. That's my preferred refresh rate. Anything higher is a bit hard to notice. I have a 260hz version of the same monitor and don't notice much. I'd rather go 4k or OLED next time. 144hz feels a bit slow but 165 and 180hz are more than enough.

Cyberpunk needs the fastest CPU you can buy.

If its for a gaming build, then all one needs is 8 strong threads or cores. After all, Sony & MS have reported there will not be any major console upgrades until 2028. And as you know for sure, devs aim games at consoles first, then PC. That's why I'm sticking to 8 cores & disabling HT on my rig. Besides that anything above 1440p is GPU bound anyway.
But yeah, its nice to have a lot of cache however other hardware affects the gaming performance as well.

There have been many CPU limited games released recently. Gotham Knights. Marvel's Spiderman. Many more. If you put ray tracing on, you need even more CPU power. Now that the 4090 is here the GPU equation is solved but not the CPU one. Small increases don't cut it. We need a step change. That's the hope of 3Dcache. It allowed a step change in performance for certain games. 20+ percent faster.

The 7700X was just slightly faster than the 12900k (which was only slightly faster than the 5800X for gaming), it didn't do much for gaming like 3Dcache might.

 

[1d10t]

I think AMD catered to "general consensus", that consoles now consist of 8 cores so anything below that would hindering your system to play at console level. I know it sounds stupid but many think 6 core 5600 will not be enough for today's AAA game.

 

[Vario]

I think AMD catered to "general consensus", that consoles now consist of 8 cores so anything below that would hindering your system to play at console level. I know it sounds stupid but many think 6 core 5600 will not be enough for today's AAA game.

Its a valid concern. I think 8 core should be the minimum to buy right now for mainstream gaming.

 

[1d10t]

Its a valid concern. I think 8 core should be the minimum to buy right now for mainstream gaming.

What a fine example.

Some of devastating loss were 4c8t i3-10105F beating 8c16t Ryzen 7 2700x, 4c8t i3-12100 beating 8c16t 9900k or in a manner of speaking 6c12t 5600x beating 10c20t i9-10900K. I don't get the idea of 8 core being a bare minimum for playing console port game.

 

[Deleted member 185088]

It's going to get even worse for AMD imo when Intel releases their locked cpu's and B760 boards January 3rd.

You can already get 12th and b660, no need for 13th. It seems people just don't want a dead platform nor a overpriced one.

 

[Vario]

What a fine example.

Some of devastating loss were 4c8t i3-10105F beating 8c16t Ryzen 7 2700x, 4c8t i3-12100 beating 8c16t 9900k or in a manner of speaking 6c12t 5600x beating 10c20t i9-10900K. I don't get the idea of 8 core being a bare minimum for playing console port game.

First, you are comparing some fairly old architectures. Second, game developers understand that the trend is moving towards an 8 core mainstream, and will design upcoming games accordingly.

 

[LFaWolf]

So much for the bought and paid for tech channels with "THERE WILL BE NO 12 or 16 core X3D models..

They have to help move the existing inventory.

I pity the chums that bought them at original MSRP, only to have them heavily discounted 2 months later, and made obsolete in 6 months by AMD. The price you pay for cutting edge…

 

[1d10t]

First, you are comparing some fairly old architectures. Second, game developers understand that the trend is moving towards an 8 core mainstream, and will design upcoming games accordingly.

Third, I wrote "8 core", no more no less.
Fourth, which game developer said that? Care to share a link?
Fifth, another most CPU demanding game to date...

Trends still continues, 6c12t i7-8700k beating 8c16t Ryzen 7 2700x, or better yet, the same 6c12t Ryzen 5 5600x beating 10c20t Core i9-10900K. Heck even 16c32t Ryzen 9 3950x get a beating left and right.
Please convince me that 8 core is bare minimum for playing newest AAA games.