AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX

[Fluffmeister]

This card oozes buyers regret to me, I mean if you're already in the market for a card costing a grand, you might as well spend a bit more and get the better all round product of 4080.

 

[mb194dc]

This card oozes buyers regret to me, I mean if you're already in the market for a card costing a grand, you might as well spend a bit more and get the better all round product of 4080.

Most use cases better off with the last gen than either... Only if you want the top RT performance or to game at 4k 120fps+ is it worth bothering with the the new gen cards.

My suspicion is both teams cards sit gathering dust on the shelves largely once Christmas is done.

 

[Bwaze]

This card oozes buyers regret to me, I mean if you're already in the market for a card costing a grand, you might as well spend a bit more and get the better all round product of 4080.

In Europe I doubt there will even be any price difference. RTX 4080 that were offered for 1500 EUR are now priced from 1340 EUR on, we already had two price cuts. And they're still all available.

 

[Acesbong]

These cards would be great and exciting at 599 and 699€. People ripping Nvidia for naming scheme, AMD has done the exact same thing. These are 7800 series cards being price gouged. Considering the economics of the world at the moment , who still thinks AMD are the good guys? Just as bad as Nvidia.

 

[z1n0x]

RDNA2 was a big step in the right direction. We were hopeful that AMD is getting back on track to properly compete with Nvidia, and we get this. Good to know that RTG is still a shitshow. Jensen can go back to cheap Samsung process to maximize profits. All in all Another Major Disappointment.

 

[Bwaze]

Who knows, maybe we'll see our own "E. T. The Game" event, a video game in Christmas 1982 so bad that it almost singlehandedly caused the collapse of Atari VCS console sales, causing three year of nearly zero sales in computer gaming - sales of games and hardware fell by 97%!

 

[ARF]

I do think AMD would be better office hunkering down on what they do best, instead of feeling the need to always have something Nvidia has exclusivity too. Like ray tracing, let Nvidia have it, all the time and resources spent on that could have been spent on a more polished product.

AMD's message could have been simple, if you want ray tracing buy Nvidia, but here is what we can offer you. Personally, I just want the smoothness of 165 fps 165hz gaming at medium to high settings. Unfortunately, some games like RDR2 still can't hit that, even with the bells and whistles turned off.

Ray-tracing is part of the M$ DirectX specification now. AMD cannot afford to simply not support DX 12.

 

[Bomby569]

Ray-tracing is part of the M$ DirectX specification now. AMD cannot afford to simply not support DX 12.

DX12 ultimate you mean

 

[wNotyarD]

Variety of hobbies is the healthiest way to be, I am actually surprised how easy it was for me to say no to the 7900 XTX today, it was consistent after every review I looked in to, and not something I was expecting. I'm happy with my 6800 XT, especially since I am a 1440p gamer for awhile to come and I have so much backlog, there is legit no reason for anymore power. Ray tracing still doesn't interest me, so no factor there.

Same here, only with a 3070 instead of your 6800XT. It just runs anything at 1440p over 120 fps, which makes my FreeSync monitor just fluid.
No need for anything new right now, and I'm not even taking new tech absurd prices into account for that conclusion.

 

[ARF]

I think that this Navi 31 (306 sq. mm central die) is a second-tier chip which is equivalent to Radeon RX 7800 in all honesty.
Which means that AMD desperately needs two things:
1. to lower the prices to $500 and $700 now;
2. to release an RTX 4090 competitor with larger die size - Navi 30 with 450 sq. mm central die.

 

[RainingTacco]

2. to release an RTX 4090 competitor with larger die size - Navi 30 with 450 sq. mm central die.

Isn't AMD using smaller node to compete with nvidia due to AMD less advanced infrastructure? If so, i guess the price per square mm is higher for AMD, and hence they can't go on surface parity for their dies.

 

[ARF]

Isn't AMD using smaller node to compete with nvidia due to AMD less advanced infrastructure? If so, i guess the price per square mm is higher for AMD, and hence they can't go on surface parity for their dies.

No, the price per square mm is lower for AMD because it uses two older processes compared to nvidia. 7nm+ for the small chiplets and "5nm" for the central die, while nvidia uses "4nm" ("5nm"+) for the whole chip.

 

[RainingTacco]

No, the price per square mm is lower for AMD because it uses two older processes compared to nvidia. 7nm+ for the small chiplets and "5nm" for the central die, while nvidia uses "4nm" ("5nm"+) for the whole chip.

Ahhh i've mistook for the older nvidia generation, thanks for clarifying up that the 4000 series is on the smaller node.

 

[OfficerTux]

How can they lower the price to 500$ if 20Gb of GDDR6 alone cost ~300$:

https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/micron-technology-inc/MT61K512M32KPA-16-B/10321310

(16 Gbit / 2 Gb per chip, AMD uses 10 on the XT and 12 on the XTX)

The board and other components (excluding the GPU chip(s)) will probably cost another 150$ (especially power supply chips are very expensive and hard to get at the moment).

This does not even include engineering, distribution, sales and support. Honestly I do not think that the margins on these cards are as high as people here claim. They could probably go down by another 100$, but everything below that seems unrealistic to me.

Edit: Yes I know, AMD will get better prices for components than the average Joe on Digikey, but I think the order of magnitude is correct.

 

[big_glasses]

perf is about expected, decent, but the "new" horrid pricing
Won't change this gen anyways, though that I had decided before any of the cards where out. Don't see a reason to upgrade every gen, just ain't worth it to me.

I can't get my head around how people even consider this a good value. Nevermind the paper launch ( especially on Europe as usual) on reddit the price for a aib model was 1300€
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/zgqi13 and it doesn't seem farfetched at all

I get most of people in TPU don't really represent your typical average gpu buyer, but damn are you all diving Lambos or some shit.

Reviewers are even worst.

I think at this rate looking for prices or last gen cards for nvidia and amd in Europe, this is going to insane lengths and i doubt it's sustainable.

It's "reasonable" or "good value" cause the 40x0 is even worse/more expensive :/
and the 1300$ for EU should be expected, sadly. 999+tax+AiBtax+store profit

 

[Bomby569]

How can they lower the price to 500$ if 20Gb of GDDR6 alone cost ~300$:

https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/micron-technology-inc/MT61K512M32KPA-16-B/10321310

(16 Gbit / 2 Gb per chip, AMD uses 10 on the XT and 12 on the XTX)

The board and other components (excluding the GPU chip(s)) will probably cost another 150$ (especially power supply chips are very expensive and hard to get at the moment).

This does not even include engineering, distribution, sales and support. Honestly I do not think that the margins on these cards are as high as people here claim. They could probably go down by another 100$, but everything below that seems unrealistic to me.

Edit: Yes I know, AMD will get better prices for components than the average Joe on Digikey, but I think the order of magnitude is correct.

the 1080ti had 11GB and cost 699$, i doubt there is any difference in the the % of the total card cost represented by the memory, between the 2 cards.

 

[elemelek]

Would be nice to get some h264,h265,AV1 encode performance benchmarks for AMD and nVidia cards.
Or not many people are interested in it, so reviewers don't bother with that?

edit:
dropping it here in case someone is interested: https://techgage.com/article/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xt-radeon-rx-7900-xtx-creator-review/
Seems 7900s are faster than Ada in handbrake. nice

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Well, there was one option for those that must have LP, but you'd have needed relatively deep pockets for one, the RTX A2000. Absolutely though they could have made a 3050LE or something LP with a 'sane' price tag, they just chose not to.

Interestingly this generation I feel like Laptop GPU's are going to be really potent from both camps given the levels of efficiency on display, I reallllly hope that means at least one new LP card from both camps that raises the bar significantly over the GTX1650/RX6400

The A2000 would have been a wonderful 3050ti, especially with the LP blower cooler that nobody has made for consumers yet. But certainly not at $600.

Laptops are increasingly where its at, given the prices of desktop hardware a gaming laptop is a viable alternative, which is totally nuts.

The 6400 is not a bad card with its 55-ish W TBP, if your system has PCI-e 4.0, or if you don't mind sacrificing some performance in some games with 3.0. It's just too expensive for what it is.

Well the 1650 wasnt worth the $159 upgrade price years ago, paying $159 for an AMD card that cannot consistently beat said 1650 is definetly out of the question.

From the limited 4GB framebuffer, to terrible 3.0 system performance (which mine is) the 6400 was a slap in the face. I was so hopeful the 6GB a380 would be better then it was.

 

[OfficerTux]

the 1080ti had 11GB and cost 699$, i doubt there is any difference in the the % of the total card cost represented by the memory, between the 2 cards.

So that's roughly half of what the 7900 has, so add another 150$ for the DRAM and factor in 10% of inflation since 2017 and you arrive at what we have now.

I am not saying that I like the current prices, I'd really like to go back to 700$ for a high-end GPU, but with the current market situation I think that is highly unrealistic.

 

[Bomby569]

So that's roughly half of what the 7900 has, so add another 150$ for the DRAM and factor in 10% of inflation since 2017 and you arrive at what we have now.

I am not saying that I like the current prices, I'd really like to go back to 700$ for a high-end GPU, but with the current market situation I think that is highly unrealistic.

what are you on about. That's not how any RAM prices work, a couple of years back you paid similar prices for 4GB RAM, then 8GB, 16GB on your PC.

So a 486 with 8MB or RAM cost what? 10 cents.

 

[Bwaze]

Laptops are increasingly where its at, given the prices of desktop hardware a gaming laptop is a viable alternative, which is totally nuts.

Is it really? I helped choose a relatively fancy Gigabyte A5 K1: Ryzen 5600H, 32 GB RAM, RTX 3060 high TGP - it was on sale for less than 800 EUR, laptops with similar configuration are about 1300 EUR normally. And I wasn't impressed. Blowers aren't really able to cool the full 180W this thing can burn, so it's temp throttled. Loud, and 3060 in laptops is slower than desktop 3050. It's actually so loud it's distracting while wearing ear covering headphones, and distracting to others across the house.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Is it really? I helped choose a relatively fancy Gigabyte A5 K1: Ryzen 5600H, 32 GB RAM, RTX 3060 high TGP - it was on sale for less than 800 EUR, laptops with similar configuration are about 1300 EUR normally. And I wasn't impressed. Blowers aren't really able to cool the full 180W this thing can burn, so it's temp throttled. Loud, and 3060 in laptops is slower than desktop 3050. It's actually so loud it's distracting while wearing ear covering headphones, and distracting to others across the house.

According to notebookcheck, that's one of the loudest laptops they've tested at 57/58db. I'll give them props for the removable battery, but that tells me the clevo bones that laptop is built on are very old, from a bygone era, which is reflected in the thermal and noise tests.

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Gigabyte-A5-K1-review-Old-school-gaming-notebook.647170.0.html

Most of their gaming notebooks are between 47-51db these days. Laptops like the legion 7 gen 7 are rather impressive, they can handle the power of a 6900hs and a 6850m xt without throttling and at under 50db.

It's also different strokes, I didnt mind my old alienware 15r2 at full tilt when gaming, but I also had it under the desk going to an external monitor, so your setup and mileage will vary.

For reference, here's another laptop, same screen size, with a larger GPu and more power hungry CPU from the same company (gigabyte) that only hits 52db,a nd averages 48db under load:

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Aorus-15-XE5-review-Compact-QHD-gaming-laptop-with-Thunderbolt-4.673140.0.html

 

[OfficerTux]

what are you on about. That's not how any RAM prices work, a couple of years back you paid similar prices for 4GB RAM, then 8GB, 16GB on your PC.

So a 486 with 8MB or RAM cost what? 10 cents.

Well yes, overall price per Gb went down for DRAM, but GDDR6 is more expensive than GDDR5X and I am pretty sure that the price per Gb has not halved since 2017. Unfortunately I was not able to find any numbers to back my claims up, so I hereby admit defeat.

Anyway, in 20 minutes the sale for the 7900s will go live in my country, so I am excited for the real world prices.

 

[sepheronx]

I can't get my head around how people even consider this a good value. Nevermind the paper launch ( especially on Europe as usual) on reddit the price for a aib model was 1300€
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/zgqi13 and it doesn't seem farfetched at all

I get most of people in TPU don't really represent your typical average gpu buyer, but damn are you all diving Lambos or some shit.

Reviewers are even worst.

I think at this rate looking for prices or last gen cards for nvidia and amd in Europe, this is going to insane lengths and i doubt it's sustainable.

No, it's just high level of cope from the members here. Don't think it's much different on reddit either.

The instant they say "it's RT, rt doesn't matter" you instantly realize it's copium to the max. More blinding than RT itself.

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

Marvels guardians of the galaxy
3090 has 48.4% of RT off perf with RT on
4090 has 52.4% of RT off perf with RT on ~8% better result than Ampere

Cyberpunk 2077
3090 has 45.5% of RT off perf with RT on
4090 has 54.2% of RT off perf with RT on ~19% better result than Ampere

Don't you mean?

+4% Marvel's Guardian's of the Galaxy

+8% cyberpunk 2077

Newer card precentage minus older cards precentage drop = Improvement on architecture

Lower % number means better performance.
higher % means worse prefromance from previous cards.