Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[Mussels]

I never said the screwup was MSI only at all, what I said is that MSI have been screwing it up repeatedly, where other brands tend to screw up one lineup/series and then learn from it

After MSI having VRM problems on every single series for over 5 years, it's a major problem... and then some of the boards that were 'fixed' are just falsely reporting lower temperatures than they are, and throttling anyway

 

[The King]

I never said the screwup was MSI only at all, what I said is that MSI have been screwing it up repeatedly, where other brands tend to screw up one lineup/series and then learn from it

After MSI having VRM problems on every single series for over 5 years, it's a major problem... and then some of the boards that were 'fixed' are just falsely reporting lower temperatures than they are, and throttling anyway

They still made some of the best B450/B550 and even now their B650 boards kicking Asus X670-E butt in most of the benchmarks in the review below.

MSI MPG B650 Carbon WIFI review

MSI has released a motherboard in the B650 series priced just right. We look at the Ryzen 7000 ready MPG B650 Carbon WIFI series, which has quad M2 slots (PCIe Gen4/Gen5) a 2.5 GigE port, and WIFI6E...

www.guru3d.com

MSI MPG B650 Carbon WiFi Motherboard Review - KitGuru

In this review, we are taking our first look at AMD’s new B650 chipset via the MSI B650 Carbon WiFi

www.kitguru.net

Top 5 Best B660 Motherboards (Spolier 3 of the top 5 boards are MSi mobos)​

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

They still made some of the best B450/B550 and even now their B650 boards kicking Asus X670-E butt in most of the benchmarks in the review below.

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MSI MPG B650 Carbon WIFI review

MSI has released a motherboard in the B650 series priced just right. We look at the Ryzen 7000 ready MPG B650 Carbon WIFI series, which has quad M2 slots (PCIe Gen4/Gen5) a 2.5 GigE port, and WIFI6E...

www.guru3d.com

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MSI MPG B650 Carbon WiFi Motherboard Review - KitGuru

In this review, we are taking our first look at AMD’s new B650 chipset via the MSI B650 Carbon WiFi

www.kitguru.net

Top 5 Best B660 Motherboards​

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All those benches Prove are that the AUTO overclocking on MSI board's exceeds other AIB.

That doesn't make them better, the brand that's caused me the most hair pulling IS MSI, then gigabyte then asrock then Asus but yeah YMMV.

Regardless CPU benchmark figures do not make a motherboard Good.

 

[The King]

All those benches Prove are that the AUTO overclocking on MSI board's exceeds other AIB.

Asus, Gigabyte and even Asrock does this as well, Don't point fingers and call the kettle black.

That doesn't make them better, the brand that's caused me the most hair pulling IS MSI, then gigabyte then asrock then Asus but yeah YMMV.

Regardless CPU benchmark figures do not make a motherboard Good.

We or I was talking about mobo VRM performance mainly. Your point maybe valid or true but largely irrelevant to the topic at hand.
The main issue being criticized is MSi poor VRM performance screw ups and you talking about something completely different altogether.

 

[freeagent]

I don’t like MSI much either. I do like Asus.. but I have had some junk boards from them too.. as noted, don’t buy bottom of the barrel or you might get burnt

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Asus, Gigabyte and even Asrock does this as well, Don't point fingers and call the kettle black.

We or I was talking about mobo VRM performance mainly. Your point maybe valid or true but largely irrelevant to the topic at hand.
The main issue being criticized is MSi poor VRM performance screw ups and you talking about something completely different altogether.

Did I imply they didn't.

No, I said" that the AUTO overclocking on MSI board's exceeds other AIB."

Your conflating CPU performance with board greatness.

My experience doesn't align with your Stance.

 

[The King]

Did I imply they didn't.

No, I said" that the AUTO overclocking on MSI board's exceeds other AIB."

You have absolutely 0 proof to back this statement and making unfounded assumptions that is what is going on with the performance numbers.

Your conflating CPU performance with board greatness.

My experience doesn't align with your Stance.

Lets agree to disagree since your argument has no facts or evidence to back it up.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

You have absolutely 0 proof to back this statement and making unfounded assumptions that is what is going on with the performance numbers.


Lets agree to disagree since your argument has no facts or evidence to back it up.

They're not unfounded, I'll dig out some proof later after work.

And most of what I say is based on experience, or something read, I'm not always going to back up everything I say with proof because it isn't always convenient to do so plus.

I don't care enough.

You like MSI, fine, you think they're better than others because of cinebench scores.

That's debatable as is your assertion that those benchmark prove MSI are best IMHO.

 

[freeagent]

Well, to be fair there is more to life than benchmark scores and overclocking.. you have to live with the machine daily, so it has to be good at that first and foremost. Whatever it can do after that is just icing on the cake. I have not used MSI in many, many moons. I would be open to trying them out. Heck I was going to buy one from a fellow mod in the not so distant past.

 

[The King]

They're not unfounded, I'll dig out some proof later after work.

Not possible to accomplish this. CPU LLC which is Auto can vary from board partner and how different Manufactures set this will affect performance.
This is why you don't get identical performance from one board to another with the same CPU.

And most of what I say is based on experience, or something read, I'm not always going to back up everything I say with proof because it isn't always convenient to do so plus.

I don't care enough.

You like MSI, fine, you think they're better than others because of cinebench scores.

That's debatable as is your assertion that those benchmark prove MSI are best IMHO.

Not at all.

The fact that several highly respected review sites like Hardware Unboxed, Guru3d and Kit Guru state that the MSI motherboards are very good boards and among the best is what I am going by.
Pretty sure you wont be able to change my mind but if you feel you have the time to do so. I am all cool with it.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

Not possible to accomplish this. CPU LLC which is Auto can vary from board partner and how different Manufactures set this will affect performance.
This is why you don't get identical performance from one board to another with the same CPU.


Not at all.

The fact that several highly respected review sites like Hardware Unboxed, Guru3d and Kit Guru state that the MSI motherboards are very good boards and among the best is what I am going by.
Pretty sure you wont be able to change my mind but if you feel you have the time to do so. I am all cool with it.

I'll save wasting my time on this debate and agree to disagree.

And I do disagree, MSI is the last on my list but as you say others think differently.

And I disagree that I couldn't find proof but I'm beyond wasting time on you or anyone, it's Christmas, time is short there are Christmas PC to build.

Oh and your the one saying cinebench scores prove MSI are best, despite Knowing that it's done via Auto setting OC's, which to me proves something different.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

Let's change the subject slightly before mods get involved.

I am planning a couple of builds for a business customer using the 5800X3D, as the software they are optimizing for will most likely benefit from cache and RAM speeds over core performance. Is there any cheap motherboard that will be rock solid, offer decent RAM speed, and (preferably, not required) no RGB?

Edit: Thinking of this one:

ASUS PRIME B550M-A AC AM4 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Newegg.com

Buy ASUS PRIME B550M-A AC AM4 AMD B550 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

If there are any concerns about it, let me know.

 

[The King]

Let's change the subject slightly before mods get involved.

I am planning a couple of builds for a business customer using the 5800X3D, as the software they are optimizing for will most likely benefit from cache and RAM speeds over core performance. Is there any cheap motherboard that will be rock solid, offer decent RAM speed, and (preferably, not required) no RGB?

Considering a mod was the one that started this debate I don't think we have anything to worry about. Nothing bad was said that will warrant any mods getting involved.

Edit: Thinking of this one:

ASUS PRIME B550M-A AC AM4 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Newegg.com

Buy ASUS PRIME B550M-A AC AM4 AMD B550 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

If there are any concerns about it, let me know.

I would not get that board. Its one of the worst you can buy.

Best B550 budget board wait for it .... MSi B550-A-pro.

I would look at the Hardware unboxed review they seem to do this very well in my opinion if you want cheaper B550 boards look at part 1 and 2.

 

[AusWolf]

Still does not change the fact other boards basic series at cheaper prices outperforms it?

Overpriced junk then? My point exactly. Asus Prime boards are not cheaper here usually sell for more because of the Asus name tax on it.

Also goes to my point that ASUS screw up their boards as well same goes for Gigabyte and Asrock this includes Msi, who are not the only guilty party here and should not be singled out.

A valid point. But I think my point is just as valid as yours, being: don't expect a low-tier motherboard to perform well with a high-end CPU, regardless of the brand or price tag.

Let's change the subject slightly before mods get involved.

I am planning a couple of builds for a business customer using the 5800X3D, as the software they are optimizing for will most likely benefit from cache and RAM speeds over core performance. Is there any cheap motherboard that will be rock solid, offer decent RAM speed, and (preferably, not required) no RGB?

Edit: Thinking of this one:

ASUS PRIME B550M-A AC AM4 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Newegg.com

Buy ASUS PRIME B550M-A AC AM4 AMD B550 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

www.newegg.com

If there are any concerns about it, let me know.

I've had that exact same board. It did the job, albeit with a 3100. I'm not sure about the 5800X3D, but because of it's low TDP and no overclockability, I guess it's fine? Just don't quote me on it.

Best B550 budget board wait for it .... MSi B550-A-pro.

That one is a huge NO from me! I had to RMA two of them before I got the Asus Prime B550M-A. They didn't boot, with the VGA error light on (I did try with multiple graphics cards).

 

[freeagent]

It might be ok?

X3D really doesn't pull a ton of juice, but it can do the full 143w under the right conditions.

I am hesitant on low to midrange Asus

 

[AusWolf]

All those benches Prove are that the AUTO overclocking on MSI board's exceeds other AIB.

That doesn't make them better, the brand that's caused me the most hair pulling IS MSI, then gigabyte then asrock then Asus but yeah YMMV.

Regardless CPU benchmark figures do not make a motherboard Good.

I completely agree. The measures of a good motherboard for me are component compatibility, voltage stability, easy to use and highly configurable BIOS, a good layout and decent VRM with thermal headroom.

It might be ok?

X3D really doesn't pull a ton of juice, but it can do the full 143w under the right conditions.

I am hesitant on low to midrange Asus

Hm, I don't know... that tiny VRM heatsink might get a bit toasty. It's a decent entry-level board and I'd highly recommend it with a 3100. That's all I can say, unfortunately.

I've also had an Asus TUF A520M that seems to have a similar VRM with a similar heatsink. I've put a R5 5500 in it for my brother, and it seems to be doing fine. It's still not a 5800X3D, though.

 

[freeagent]

Hm, I don't know...

Yeah.. I don't like their midrange stuff, I just haven't had good luck with it. You can get a few years out of em if they are decent, but they haven't stood the test of time with me like their ROG stuff has.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

I would not get that board. Its one of the worst you can buy.

Yup. Just realized they wanted 2.5Gb or more. So it will need to be ATX or have that onboard.

 

[AusWolf]

Yeah.. I don't like their midrange stuff, I just haven't had good luck with it. You can get a few years out of em if they are decent, but they haven't stood the test of time with me like their ROG stuff has.

ROG is a bit over the edge for me these days, with lots of features I don't need. The TUF is usually fine.

Another topic:

Reporting after my first cold boot with the v1.52 BIOS update and EXPO enabled... it went okay! But the RAM is still at 1.335 V, and the SoC voltage dropped even further to 1.19 V (it was 1.2 V on my last boot). As long as it's stable, I'm gonna leave it at that and call it a day.

There's another strange thing now... When I run Cinebench single-core, Windows Task Manager shows 5.35 GHz on the CPU. Before the update, it was 5.45 GHz. But the score I'm getting is higher! After a bit of investigation with HWinfo, I can see that the loaded threads actually run at 5.5 GHz while the rest clock down. This is probably where the higher score comes from. As for Task Manager, it's always been meh anyway.

 

[freeagent]

ROG is a bit over the edge for me these days, with lots of features I don't need

That is why I went with B550. Almost should have tried X570 though.. ahh well.

On to AM5 next

(Maybe)

 

[AusWolf]

That is why I went with B550. Almost should have tried X570 though.. ahh well.

What does X570 have that B550 doesn't? A chipset fan, maybe? I never buy top-tier boards. Not that they're not nice, just unnecessary for my needs.

On to AM5 next

(Maybe)

Prepare yourself for a rough ride. It'll be fun... just rough. Or wait until idiots like me have their luck with the early BIOSes.

 

[freeagent]

What does X570 have that B550 doesn't? A chipset fan, maybe? I never buy top-tier boards. Not that they're not nice, just unnecessary for my needs.


Prepare yourself for a rough ride. It'll be fun... just rough. Or wait until idiots like me have their luck with the early BIOSes.

Yeah I will wait for all the beta testing to be done

And then they will release another chipset

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

A valid point. But I think my point is just as valid as yours, being: don't expect a low-tier motherboard to perform well with a high-end CPU, regardless of the brand or price tag.


I've had that exact same board. It did the job, albeit with a 3100. I'm not sure about the 5800X3D, but because of it's low TDP and no overclockability, I guess it's fine? Just don't quote me on it.


That one is a huge NO from me! I had to RMA two of them before I got the Asus Prime B550M-A. They didn't boot, with the VGA error light on (I did try with multiple graphics cards).

I just built a Asus prime b550 non AC with a 5600G in it without the slightest issue, problem or regret and it's working fine.
Technically this board has been in my possession a year and had a 3800X in it before and a 3100X tried in it, never showed an issue.
In fact less issues then the crosshair 7 hero gave me but.
As ever YMMV.

 

[freeagent]

If it can drive a 3800X it should be fine with X3D. Not sure about others, but the silicon quality on mine is pretty decent, better than my other Zen 3 parts.

 

[Count von Schwalbe]

Has anyone used:

ASUS TUF GAMING B550M-PLUS WIFI II AM4 Micro ATX AMD Motherboard - Newegg.com

Buy ASUS TUF GAMING B550M-PLUS WIFI II AM4 AMD B550 SATA 6Gb/s Micro ATX AMD Motherboard with fast shipping and top-rated customer service. Once you know, you Newegg!

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It seems to have the features I need, but the only review I found didn't say anything about RAM other than running XMP fine with whatever kit they had.