AMD Radeon RX 7900 XTX

[N3M3515]

Sir, around here 3070 is cheaper than 6800XT

Maybe there, but USA is the biggest market so.....invalid argument.

P.S. In DOOM, the 3070 renders 116 FPS, not 18. Without ray tracing and DLSS. And you won't see any difference if a Radeon renders more frames.

I took the data from here TPU and without any upscaling tech.

PS Maybe you can find games where 3070 is equal to 6900XT (not 6800XT) with ray tracing on. If you don't succeed, I'll help you. I notice that you can only find those that put Radeon in good light.

Again, acording to TPU own metrics, 6800 XT is slightly better than 3070 in RT in avg. I'm not stating opinions, just FACTS.

 

[Fasola]

Again, acording to TPU own metrics, 6800 XT is slightly better than 3070 in RT in avg. I'm not stating opinions, just FACTS.

In fact, the 6800 XT is equal to the 3070 Ti at 1080 and 1440p, and faster at 4K across the games that TPU tested in this very review.

 

[Gica]

It is totally inappropriate to compare the two video cards now, as if the 4000 and 7000 series were released recently, or not? Last year, AMD prices were in the sky and their video cards, in most cases, were nowhere to be found. Discussion is for discussion's sake, since a new generation has been launched. And the 5600X now costs ~900 RON (~$190), but last year it did not drop below 1500 RON (over $300).

P.S. 3070 (Ti) and even 6800XT should only be compared in 1080p and 1440p. In 4K, both can achieve a decent fps only with the compromise of details in heavy AAA games. If you also activate ray tracing, they are weak in this resolution.

PS In the capture are the cheapest video cards available now in Romania (I did not search through all the stores, you may find other good offers, AMD or nVidia). We are talking about the entry-midrange class. The idea is that you don't have to get involved with the USA, you buy the desired product from anywhere, waiting for the tempting offers, and in the current case, the 3070 is ~$125 cheaper than the 6800XT and the anomaly from the beginning of the year still prevails as certain 6600 models to be cheaper than the scrap 6500XT.
As far as I'm concerned, I had the 6800XT alternative instead of the 3070 Ti, but I had to pay ~300 Euro more. We are talking about the summer of 2021.
Although you deny them, the other advantages of an nVidia video card are undeniable. You also denied the importance of ray tracing until AMD came up with something similar. And you still deny, but the situation will change only if AMD takes the crown in this segment.
Peace to you!

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

There was a time that it was for good reasons, but we are now paying for those "good reasons" and worse, people are ignoring the really bad reasons why we should stop giving Nvidia money.

People are not going to pay a premium price for sub tier products. That's just simple reality. If you cant compete on performance, features, or price, you get left out. Simple as. Oh yeah, and you need to be able to DELIVER said product, when its needed, not 8 months later.

I am afraid of that and I will be brutally honest, if they left the GPU market, I would not blame them.

AMD has made their own bed over the years. At some point you have to compete more then once in a blue moon if you want to be a "premium" brand.

 

[Neo_Morpheus]

People are not going to pay a premium price for sub tier products. That's just simple reality. If you cant compete on performance, features, or price, you get left out. Simple as. Oh yeah, and you need to be able to DELIVER said product, when its needed, not 8 months later.

AMD has made their own bed over the years. At some point you have to compete more then once in a blue moon if you want to be a "premium" brand.

By your logic, we wont have to bother about premium items, since it will be only nvidia and we already know how they price their wares when they dont have “competition “.

The 5060 will be around US$1200, the 5070 will be 1600, 2200 for the 5080 and they wont even bother in releasing a 5090 because we wont have any options but to buy nvidia.

I think i will need a new hobby by then.

 

[AusWolf]

By your logic, we wont have to bother about premium items, since it will be only nvidia and we already know how they price their wares when they dont have “competition “.

The 5060 will be around US$1200, the 5070 will be 1600, 2200 for the 5080 and they wont even bother in releasing a 5090 because we wont have any options but to buy nvidia.

I think i will need a new hobby by then.

This.

Besides, anyone who says AMD isn't competitive right now is either (1) hung up on the RT hype a bit too much, (2) thinks that 5700-series driver problems are still around when they're not, (3) needs Optix, or other professional creator stuff, or (4) just likes to recite what mindless Nvidia fans spew all over the internet because it sounds cool.

 

[vMax65]

I'm gonna leave this here
Top Nvidia shareholders

Vanguard Group Inc. representing 7.7% of total shares outstanding​

BlackRock Inc. representing 7.2% of total shares outstanding​

Top AMD shareholders

Vanguard Group Inc. representing 8.28% of total shares outstanding​

BlackRock Inc. representing 7.21% of total shares outstanding​

I also read that Jen-Shun and Lisa Su are related...

This card oozes buyers regret to me, I mean if you're already in the market for a card costing a grand, you might as well spend a bit more and get the better all round product of 4080.

Sad but true...

 

[Avro Arrow]

There was a time that it was for good reasons, but we are now paying for those "good reasons" and worse, people are ignoring the really bad reasons why we should stop giving Nvidia money.

I think that it's because most people who buy video cards don't have enthusiast-level knowledge of what's going on. To them, it's like choosing between GE And Whirlpool.

I am afraid of that and I will be brutally honest, if they left the GPU market, I would not blame them.

Nor would I. Consumers have proven time and again that they don't deserve what AMD tries to do.

I have been saying that but in other less eloquent words as to what we are walking towards to.

Don't sell yourself short Neo. You care passionately about the industry as a whole and I've always respected you for that.

Yeah, but no, I hate Nvidia so much that it will take a miracle of biblical proportions to give them money again.

Like Jensen getting hit by a bus?

Cant edit the post, but saying it down here: Welcome to TPU!!

Thanks bro. I've always admired this place and I'm glad that I finally got on board!

Couldn't have said it better.
This situation of ever increasing gpu prices is out of control.

It's a really sad state of affairs, especially since this is self-inflicted. We just have to be willing to say "no". I've resolved to use my RX 6800 XT and R7-5800X3D until I really can't use them anymore.

What a comprehensive, well thought-out assessment of the market situation!

A few years ago, I completely agreed with the "shopping for brand is bad" and "colourblind shopping is the way" sentiments, but when 88% of the market is owned by a single company, one is inclined to make a stand and say "I'll give up that 10% extra RT performance because I want to buy a midrange GPU under a grand for my next rig as well".

Yep. It's just called "seeing the bigger picture". If you buy a Radeon today, you can still buy a GeForce tomorrow. The inverse is not necessarily true.

When Intel Arc debuted, Linus (from Linus Tech Tips) heavily defended it and urged people to buy an A770 despite its many problems. I completely understand why.

I don't believe that for a second because LTT is one of the major reasons why the market is the way it is. He has admitted to having a lot of "friends" at Intel (or at least, people he genuinely likes) which is why he keeps supporting them.

I wanted to buy a a770 but couldn't get one in my shithole

I don't know why, but that's funny as hell!

I just looked and there is 10 avail on other end of the city. I may just grab it tomorrow

I dunno. I have a hard time supporting Intel after all of their illegal and anti-consumer practices. Intel's got plenty of cash and don't need our support.

I think you are over reacting with that morbidly of AMD disappearing (thay have good product at various market segments including consumers GPU to keep them going IF they are serious about that, just like Intel with ARC) and too afraid of monopoly (that is in the contaxt of GPU`s as recreational gaming tool, not as a general rule about monopoly).

Call it "reacting before things become overly-dire". Most people aren't reacting at all and that's even worse.

I sound that your honest concern drive you to, imo, thing the wrong way how to fix this problem (AMD to quit consumers GPU). Favoring a company in the magnitude of AMD (a giant worldwide corporation that is listed on to of NASDAQ, just like NV and Intel) is a futile thing to do. They are no a charity case as let`s say a local ice cream maker you want to help by favoring them and not Nestle ice cream for example. They will and are using your sens of 'let`s help the underdog before it collapse' to exploit you on the exactly. Do favor AMD if their product is right for you personaly from a selfish perspective with equal or better price but not in any case and not if the rival has a product that is better for you and\or cost less.

I'm not favouring them per se. I've just grown to hate nVidia over the years. Saying to favour AMD if their product is right for me personally is a good mantra to have. The problem is that many people for whom AMD would be the better choice aren't making it.

Profoundly disagree- Supporting AMD blindly as you suggest will make NV even stronger or in the long shoot something changes you will see AMD turning into NV very quickly (see ZEN3 amd ZEN 4 case study)- If you're mad at something that nVidia did but bought a GeForce card anyway, you are your own worst enemy. Rulling out NV as an option might leave you with a lesser option and\or at higher cost for what is best for you.

I've never seen a Radeon be higher cost than a GeForce on the same level so that's a strawman argument at best.

Nop, gaming is a much is a needed thing for some people.

Absolutely ridiculous. Video games didn't exist for hundreds of thousands of years and we're still here.

But please don`t choose AMD out of pity or out of concern to the fragile duopoly market.

I don't choose AMD strictly out of concern for the fragile duopoly, I choose AMD because at the same price point, their products out-perform nVidia's. I said that because people who should choose AMD are choosing nVidia and they need to wake up.

Sir, around here 3070 is cheaper than 6800XT. Last year, when I bought the 3070 Ti for 800 euros (offer from Germany), you couldn't even find the 6700XT cheaper (well, LHR versus full mining).

That's fair and in that situation, I don't blame you.

You are comparing apples with pears to an old version.
The MSRP at 3000 and 6000 was a bad joke, the video cards selling for at least double that.

Yes I know, but after the hell had subsided, the Radeon cards were below MSRP while the GeForce cards weren't (and still aren't as far as I know). The fact that the RX 6800 XT was hundreds less than the RTX 3080 didn't seem to matter. I was using the "after mining" time period as my template.

For 1440p, Ultra Nightmare, RT ON, DLSS OFF, you can watch the material for 3070 Ti. It is "only" 1440p because these video cards for this resolution are recommended. In 4K, memory limitation appears as well as performance limitation with ray tracing ON on all AMD video cards from the 6000 series, the most powerful of them having performances at most equal to the ancient 2080Ti.

And yet, people still paid over $2,000 for the RTX 2080 Ti back then. Do you see how people just go nuts for nVidia's top card and marketing even when, as you say, it's really not that great? Also, that's a title that has RT when most titles don't.

 

[Gica]

Yes I know, but after the hell had subsided, the Radeon cards were below MSRP while the GeForce cards weren't (and still aren't as far as I know). The fact that the RX 6800 XT was hundreds less than the RTX 3080 didn't seem to matter. I was using the "after mining" time period as my template.

If the collapse of the crypto caught them with huge unsold stocks. Happy are those who buy at a low price, unhappy are those who bought at higher prices and cannot sell the product on the second-hand market for even 50% of the cost paid. How much can you sell a 5600X, purchased for $300+, if it is now being sold, new, for less than $200?

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

AMD attempts to defuse controversy around RDNA 3 GPUs and ‘broken’ feature

Shader pre-fetching code is experimental and therefore not supposed to be working, AMD assures us

www.techradar.com

So a guy called Kepler al said it's broken, AMD refuted this.

 

[InVasMani]

I think that it's because most people who buy video cards don't have enthusiast-level knowledge of what's going on. To them, it's like choosing between GE And Whirlpool.

Nor would I. Consumers have proven time and again that they don't deserve what AMD tries to do.

Don't sell yourself short Neo. You care passionately about the industry as a whole and I've always respected you for that.

Like Jensen getting hit by a bus?

Thanks bro. I've always admired this place and I'm glad that I finally got on board!


It's a really sad state of affairs, especially since this is self-inflicted. We just have to be willing to say "no". I've resolved to use my RX 6800 XT and R7-5800X3D until I really can't use them anymore.

Yep. It's just called "seeing the bigger picture". If you buy a Radeon today, you can still buy a GeForce tomorrow. The inverse is not necessarily true.

I don't believe that for a second because LTT is one of the major reasons why the market is the way it is. He has admitted to having a lot of "friends" at Intel (or at least, people he genuinely likes) which is why he keeps supporting them.

I don't know why, but that's funny as hell!

I dunno. I have a hard time supporting Intel after all of their illegal and anti-consumer practices. Intel's got plenty of cash and don't need our support.

Call it "reacting before things become overly-dire". Most people aren't reacting at all and that's even worse.

I'm not favouring them per se. I've just grown to hate nVidia over the years. Saying to favour AMD if their product is right for me personally is a good mantra to have. The problem is that many people for whom AMD would be the better choice aren't making it.

I've never seen a Radeon be higher cost than a GeForce on the same level so that's a strawman argument at best.

Absolutely ridiculous. Video games didn't exist for hundreds of thousands of years and we're still here.

I don't choose AMD strictly out of concern for the fragile duopoly, I choose AMD because at the same price point, their products out-perform nVidia's. I said that because people who should choose AMD are choosing nVidia and they need to wake up.

That's fair and in that situation, I don't blame you.

Yes I know, but after the hell had subsided, the Radeon cards were below MSRP while the GeForce cards weren't (and still aren't as far as I know). The fact that the RX 6800 XT was hundreds less than the RTX 3080 didn't seem to matter. I was using the "after mining" time period as my template.

And yet, people still paid over $2,000 for the RTX 2080 Ti back then. Do you see how people just go nuts for nVidia's top card and marketing even when, as you say, it's really not that great? Also, that's a title that has RT when most titles don't.

The few the proud the woke the circuit bent robots those whom avoided Avro Arrow's attempt at responding to ALL THE THINGS!! All your base are belong to us...you didn't think you'd get off that easily did you?

 

[N3M3515]

So........RTX 3080 was more expensive to make than the 4080?

I was right voting $800 as the price of the 4080
Seems like amd did something similar with the 7900 series.

 

[Luminescent]

Communicated inflation rate in US is bullshit, it is much higher and Nvidia and AMD knows it.
They printed a lot of money in the "bug" time and even more now with the war and current people in charge.

 

[Avro Arrow]

If the collapse of the crypto caught them with huge unsold stocks. Happy are those who buy at a low price, unhappy are those who bought at higher prices and cannot sell the product on the second-hand market for even 50% of the cost paid. How much can you sell a 5600X, purchased for $300+, if it is now being sold, new, for less than $200?

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. I mean, sure, if you bought when prices were high (like I did with my RX 6800 XT), then yeah, you're pretty much screwed. I don't know what that has to do with Radeon cards being a far better value than GeForce cards though. Even Tom's Hardware did a article called AMD Graphics Cards Are the Better Value at Every Price Point with the url being "amd-graphics-cards-are-better-value-than-nvidia".

This wasn't exactly news to me because historically, it has been true that if a Radeon and a GeForce are the same price, the Radeon will be superior.

So........RTX 3080 was more expensive to make than the 4080?
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I was right voting $800 as the price of the 4080
Seems like amd did something similar with the 7900 series.

Yeah, but I think that AMD put their prices higher because they were astonished to see how many fools were lining up to throw $1600 at Jensen for a goddamn VIDEO CARD. They're a corporation after all and if consumers demonstrate that they're willing to pay $1600, then paying $1000 should be a piece of cake for them.

Personally, I think that if the RTX 4090 hadn't sold out like it did but was treated more the way that the RTX 4080 is being treated (which is what should have happened), I think that the RX 7900 XT would be no more than $700 today.

It's like I've been saying all along. These exorbitant prices are our own fault.

 

[N3M3515]

Yeah, but I think that AMD put their prices higher because they were astonished to see how many fools were lining up to throw $1600 at Jensen for a goddamn VIDEO CARD

I agree, though the 4090 is not the first to do that, there's precedent and that's why the top of the top gets a pass. But apart from that the rest of the lineup should not get away with it.
RX 7900 XTX, i insist is also a rip off to a lesser degree than the 4080, performance wise it replaces the $650 6800 xt.

 

[InVasMani]

GPU's in general are priced to high today.

 

[Gica]

In all your agitation, you remained frozen in 1990. Gentlemen, today, the video card is not only used for fps in gaming. Does it support AMD OptiX or CUDA? Does the enc/dec module match nVidia's value? For the price of video cards, taking into account that no respected creator is looking at any Radeon, the demand is huge in this segment. Oh, and let's not forget DLSS, which is completely missing from AMD.
You gave the example of Doom Eternal. What performance does an AMD video card get with DLSS ON? Ah, can't stand technology! So how does it perform with FSR? Ah, the game doesn't have this implemented.
In addition to this, gentlemen, we are at the end of 2022. If we are still investing a lot of money, we are investing it intelligently, and intelligently does not match the purchase of video cards released two years ago. I'm just saying.

 

[N3M3515]

In all your agitation, you remained frozen in 1990. Gentlemen, today, the video card is not only used for fps in gaming. Does it support AMD OptiX or CUDA? Does the enc/dec module match nVidia's value? For the price of video cards, taking into account that no respected creator is looking at any Radeon, the demand is huge in this segment. Oh, and let's not forget DLSS, which is completely missing from AMD.
You gave the example of Doom Eternal. What performance does an AMD video card get with DLSS ON? Ah, can't stand technology! So how does it perform with FSR? Ah, the game doesn't have this implemented.
In addition to this, gentlemen, we are at the end of 2022. If we are still investing a lot of money, we are investing it intelligently, and intelligently does not match the purchase of video cards released two years ago. I'm just saying.

None of what you just said justifies current prices, period.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

In all your agitation, you remained frozen in 1990. Gentlemen, today, the video card is not only used for fps in gaming. Does it support AMD OptiX or CUDA? Does the enc/dec module match nVidia's value? For the price of video cards, taking into account that no respected creator is looking at any Radeon, the demand is huge in this segment. Oh, and let's not forget DLSS, which is completely missing from AMD.
You gave the example of Doom Eternal. What performance does an AMD video card get with DLSS ON? Ah, can't stand technology! So how does it perform with FSR? Ah, the game doesn't have this implemented.
In addition to this, gentlemen, we are at the end of 2022. If we are still investing a lot of money, we are investing it intelligently, and intelligently does not match the purchase of video cards released two years ago. I'm just saying.

Yeah no physx either, go full retard or Gtfo.

 

[Avro Arrow]

I agree, though the 4090 is not the first to do that, there's precedent and that's why the top of the top gets a pass. But apart from that the rest of the lineup should not get away with it.
RX 7900 XTX, i insist is also a rip off to a lesser degree than the 4080,

Absolutely! It's a TOTAL rip-off! The problem is that nVidia pretty much gave AMD the green light to do it.

performance wise it replaces the $650 6800 xt.

I don't really agree with that because it is their level-9 card which still makes it a better value than the RX 6900 XT before it (which was a terrible value in itself compared to the RX 6800 XT). I think that's the card that it's replacing.

However, I do NOT give them a pass for the existence of the RX 7900 XT because THAT card really should be called the RX 7800 XT. This use of "XTX" is just plain stupid. The RX 7900 XTX should have been called the RX 7900 XT and the RX 7900 XT should have been called the RX 7800 XT. If they wanted an XTX card, they should have reserved that nomenclature for a liquid-cooled refresh card and called it the RX 7950 XTX.

What they've done with their naming scheme here is pitiful and makes me think that they're on the wrong drugs in Santa Clara. I know for a fact that several people who actually work at ATi in Markham are VERY pissed that AMD did this.

 

[N3M3515]

I don't really agree with that because it is their level-9 card

That's the trick they play to justify the price increase. But the logic i'm using here is the same as last gen: 6800xt vs 3080, they where neck and neck at raster, just the same as it is now with the 7900XTX and the 4080. Literally the same scenario, amd just choose to name it 7900. And with the conclusion being: if the 4080 is only worth $800(majority of tpu members voted that, and gamers nexus video also showed it). Then the 7900XTX is worth no more than $700 - $750.

 

[Dirt Chip]

One can also disregard naming completely, as those company play with it as their will (which is actually is) by reshuffling, adding, changing and so on by the gen and within running gen (see NV 'SUPER' suffix that might do a comeback anytime).
Just go pref/cost at a given price range that suite you. So simple and will save the trouble of doing name/pref and name/cost calculation (unless you enjoy it).

As time goes by those company learn us, thoroughly, to take their word (=name monoculture) for less and less by the gen.
By now, any informed shopper should know to give the 'name' of the product only small importance and certainly not to shop by it.

 

[N3M3515]

Just go pref/cost at a given price range that suite you

That's what i do, performance/$ just don't lie.

 

[Avro Arrow]

That's the trick they play to justify the price increase. But the logic i'm using here is the same as last gen: 6800xt vs 3080, they where neck and neck at raster, just the same as it is now with the 7900XTX and the 4080. Literally the same scenario, amd just choose to name it 7900. And with the conclusion being: if the 4080 is only worth $800(majority of tpu members voted that, and gamers nexus video also showed it). Then the 7900XTX is worth no more than $700 - $750.

Well, the difference there is that AMD isn't under any obligation to make their part numbers match nVidia's or correspond with them in any way, shape or form. AMD has the right to refer to their fastest card as level-9 because that's what they've done for at least 15 years. Just because nVidia has some pie-in-the-sky card that they call level-9 doesn't mean that AMD has to follow suit. They're a different company and nVidia doesn't set the standards for them when it comes to nomenclature. Just because AMD's level-9 card matches nVidia's level-8 doesn't mean that AMD should call it a level-8 card. That's where your logic falls apart.

Remember that the RX 6900 XT was only a paltry 9% faster than the RX 6800 XT so AMD's use of "7900" could easily be considered applicable for the XTX. At the same time, the use of "7900" for their second-tier card was wholly inappropriate because their second-tier card is supposed to use the number 8, something that has been true since ATi came out with the HD-series of cards (whenever there actually was a 9-series card in their lineup). The last Radeon that I can think of that had more than one card at level-9 was the X1000-series back in 2005-07 but ATi's naming scheme back then was completely different. Moreover, they had over 40 different cards released in those two years, something that we'll probably never see again.

So, my problem isn't with the use of 7900 for their level-9 card, my problem is with them also referring to what is really their level-8 card as level-9. I also agree that the RX 7900 XTX should be no more than $700 but at the same time, the RTX 4080 is even more egregiously-priced so we can't really blame AMD for trying to get as much as they could for the RX 7900 XTX while still making it considerably cheaper than the RTX 4080. The reason that the RX 7900 XTX is $1000 is because the RX 6900 XT was also $1000 and people still bought it. The price should've been a lot lower but it's hard to complain about Radeon pricing when the pricing of the level-8 GeForce is $200 higher than the price of the level-9 Radeon. We should also remember that the RX 6900 XT was competitive in performance with the RTX 3090. Every time I see some dumb reviewer comparing the RTX 3080 with the RX 6900 XT I'm like "WTF are you doing? They're not even aimed at each other!" and I think that they do it to make nVidia look not so overpriced, which is dishonest as hell.

You know, one could say that AMD did the right thing with their level-9 card by keeping the price the same. I have no real problem with the pricing of the XTX, just the nomenclature. When it comes to pricing, I really have a problem with AMD raising the price of the level-8 card by $250 and re-naming it in a lame attempt to cover up the fact that they've essentially done this. This is quite bad but again, it's hard to be really mad at AMD when what nVidia did with their level-8 card was literally twice as bad. It's a real mess that isn't helped at all by the fact that the only reviewer with the balls to condemn and seriously ridicule nVidia for this is Steve Burke of Gamers Nexus. I honestly believe that everyone should be piling up on them for what they're doing. Even worse than that are the fools who are willing to buy them at this price, giving Jensen the validation that he craves to keep prices artificially high.

 

[N3M3515]

Even worse than that are the fools who are willing to buy them at this price, giving Jensen the validation that he craves to keep prices artificially high.

True, i saw on youtube someone comment on the 4080, "for $1000 i would buy it with no remorse", LOL. It is so incredibly overpriced that even at minus $200 it's still up there. Well, i don't see any incentive to replace my 6800 xt, unless the 4800/7900xtx goes down to $750 at most. And even then i don't know if my 5900X would bottleneck them at 1440p/144Hz.