Ryzen Owners Zen Garden

[tabascosauz]

To be clear the CHIPSET fan had no fan control
Hence those early rumours and reputation about x570's shitty screamer chipset fans

Asus is artificially stingy about the fan control, and like they do for certain other settings they will intentionally hide controls on boards that aren't real-ROG (Crosshair).

Last I checked my B550 Strix-I had no fan control (it is B550 but has a VRM fan under here).
The X570 Strix-I has no control over its two fans, unless modded BIOS. Has caused a lot of people frustration.
My Impact does have control over its two fans, but the minimum speed limits have varied with different BIOSes.

I have my Impact fans running at about 1300rpm now and temps are still good, but out of the box these tiny fans Asus sets to run somewhere north of 4000rpm.

Although, I can't say I've ever really heard the fans on the Impact even at thousands of rpm. Maybe I just have too many fans on my setup and headphones on my head

 

[R-T-B]

Sure, the brand wasn't the best at first launch

I disagree. Before it morphed from "Sabertooth" into TUF it was actually much better. The X58 Sabertooth, the grandaddy of the whole idea, was actually a badass board.

 

[AusWolf]

Asus is artificially stingy about the fan control, and like they do for certain other settings they will intentionally hide controls on boards that aren't real-ROG (Crosshair).

Last I checked my B550 Strix-I had no fan control (it is B550 but has a VRM fan under here).
The X570 Strix-I has no control over its two fans, unless modded BIOS. Has caused a lot of people frustration.
My Impact does have control over its two fans, but the minimum speed limits have varied with different BIOSes.

I have my Impact fans running at about 1300rpm now and temps are still good, but out of the box these tiny fans Asus sets to run somewhere north of 4000rpm.

Although, I can't say I've ever really heard the fans on the Impact even at thousands of rpm. Maybe I just have too many fans on my setup and headphones on my head

I've never seen that happen. All Asus boards that I've tried (I've tried quite a few lately), the fan control options were always "Silent", "Normal", "Turbo" and "Manual" (which let you adjust the curve yourself).

Reporting after my first cold boot with the v1.52 BIOS update and EXPO enabled... it went okay! But the RAM is still at 1.335 V, and the SoC voltage dropped even further to 1.19 V (it was 1.2 V on my last boot). As long as it's stable, I'm gonna leave it at that and call it a day.

There's another strange thing now... When I run Cinebench single-core, Windows Task Manager shows 5.35 GHz on the CPU. Before the update, it was 5.45 GHz. But the score I'm getting is higher! After a bit of investigation with HWinfo, I can see that the loaded threads actually run at 5.5 GHz while the rest clock down. This is probably where the higher score comes from. As for Task Manager, it's always been meh anyway.

One more thing with the new BIOS:

I manually set FCLK to 1:1 with RAM, so now it's running at 3000 MHz, rock solid with 1.2 V SoC. When I did this with the original BIOS, it wouldn't even boot even with 1.36 V.

I was just about to get rid of this motherboard somehow, and order the Asus TUF B650M Wifi instead, but this new BIOS (or the new AGESA) made a completely new board out of it.

 

[tabascosauz]

I've never seen that happen. All Asus boards that I've tried (I've tried quite a few lately), the fan control options were always "Silent", "Normal", "Turbo" and "Manual" (which let you adjust the curve yourself).


One more thing with the new BIOS:

I manually set FCLK to 1:1 with RAM, so now it's running at 3000 MHz, rock solid with 1.2 V SoC. When I did this with the original BIOS, it wouldn't even boot even with 1.36 V.

I was just about to get rid of this motherboard somehow, and order the Asus TUF B650M Wifi instead, but this new BIOS (or the new AGESA) made a completely new board out of it.

We're talking about VRM and chipset fan control, not the fan headers.

Good to hear that 3000 UCLK is working now.

 

[AusWolf]

We're talking about VRM and chipset fan control, not the fan headers.

Good to hear that 3000 UCLK is working now.

Ah, I see! I've never had a motherboard with a chipset fan.

Thanks. It's good to see that even MSi is capable of pulling their act together with BIOS updates (unless it was AMD with AGESA 1.0.0.4).

 

[tabascosauz]

Ah, I see! I've never had a motherboard with a chipset fan.

Thanks. It's good to see that even MSi is capable of pulling their act together with BIOS updates (unless it was AMD with AGESA 1.0.0.4).

What FCLK are you running now at 6000?

 

[AusWolf]

What FCLK are you running now at 6000?

2000 MHz FCLK and 3000 UCLK.

 

[GerKNG]

quick question about Zen 4.
are 1.25V SoC normal at 6000 CL30 (3000 UCLK). auto voltage.

 

[AusWolf]

quick question about Zen 4.
are 1.25V SoC normal at 6000 CL30 (3000 UCLK). auto voltage.

My board defaulted to 1.36 V with 6000 RAM. Then I manually set it to 1.1 V, then back to Auto which ended up being 1.2 V for some reason.

To your question: Your CPU might be OK with even lower V SoC, but 1.25 V isn't bad (I think).

 

[GerKNG]

My board defaulted to 1.36 V with 6000 RAM. Then I manually set it to 1.1 V, then back to Auto which ended up being 1.2 V for some reason.

To your question: Your CPU might be OK with even lower V SoC, but 1.25 V isn't bad (I think).

1.36V? wow... Zen 3 would be dead in a couple hours with that voltage.
i guess it's fine then (1.2V is not stable...WHEA Errors)

 

[AusWolf]

1.36V? wow... Zen 3 would be dead in a couple hours with that voltage.
i guess it's fine then (1.2V is not stable...WHEA Errors)

Try updating your BIOS. Mine wouldn't even boot with 3000 UCLK with the original BIOS. Now, it's rock solid.

Edit: I'm not sure if 1.36 V is fine. It's an MSi Pro series board, after all.

 

[GerKNG]

Try updating your BIOS. Mine wouldn't even boot with 3000 UCLK with the original BIOS. Now, it's rock solid.

i'm already on the latest bios. and it works just fine. (ran memtest and y cruncher so far)
stability seems to be on the edge at around 1.22-1.23v.

 

[AusWolf]

i'm already on the latest bios. and it works just fine. (ran memtest and y cruncher so far)
stability seems to be on the edge at around 1.22-1.23v.

That's weird. I imagined higher end CPUs to do better with voltage. I guess it's got to be 1.25 V, then.

 

[GerKNG]

That's weird. I imagined higher end CPUs to do better with voltage. I guess it's got to be 1.25 V, then.

i am pretty sure that neither intel nor amd bin their IMCs.
but i am very happy with the result. it's even with 1T Command Rate and runs pretty well on air (around 5.2 Ghz in R23 38900 Points)

 

[AusWolf]

i am pretty sure that neither intel nor amd bin their IMCs.
but i am very happy with the result. it's even with 1T Command Rate and runs pretty well on air (around 5.2 Ghz in R23 38900 Points)

That's really good.
My 7700X does 5.1 GHz with a 280 AIO, 19200 points. Although, I seem to hit some kind of power limit with this one, as the core temp stops rising at around 93 °C.

 

[Super Firm Tofu]

i am pretty sure that neither intel nor amd bin their IMCs.
but i am very happy with the result. it's even with 1T Command Rate and runs pretty well on air (around 5.2 Ghz in R23 38900 Points)

Spending some time with CO is worth it, although with a 7950x that's going to take some effort. My 7700x runs stable with 1.02v SoC @ 6000 CL30 although, like @AusWolf, mine defaulted to 1.36v

That's really good.
My 7700X does 5.1 GHz with a 280 AIO, 19200 points. Although, I seem to hit some kind of power limit with this one, as the core temp stops rising at around 93 °C.

Spend some time with CO - I'm getting 20605 at a max 84℃ on a NH-D15 at -25 CO all core.

 

[GerKNG]

Spending some time with CO is worth it, although with a 7950x that's going to take some effort

i am currently at -25 all core (runs core cycler per core P95 AVX2 small FFT and y cruncher)

 

[Super Firm Tofu]

i am currently at -25 all core (runs core cycler per core P95 AVX2 small FFT and y cruncher)

That's where I ended up, and with core cycler overnight and about 8 hours of y cruncher as well. I've been rock stable stable since launch at these settings. Congrats on the new build!

 

[GerKNG]

That's where I ended up, and with core cycler overnight and about 8 hours of y cruncher as well. I've been rock stable stable since launch at these settings. Congrats on the new build!

thanks!
just ran R23 with BM.

 

[kapone32]

I disagree. Before it morphed from "Sabertooth" into TUF it was actually much better. The X58 Sabertooth, the grandaddy of the whole idea, was actually a badass board.

By far my favourite board (Outside of X399) has to be the 990FX Sabretooth. To me that was the ultimate AM3 board.

 

[R-T-B]

By far my favourite board (Outside of X399) has to be the 990FX Sabretooth. To me that was the ultimate AM3 board.

X99 sabertooth was pretty good too. Actually I think darn near every "sabertooth" tuf board was.

 

[kapone32]

That's really good.
My 7700X does 5.1 GHz with a 280 AIO, 19200 points. Although, I seem to hit some kind of power limit with this one, as the core temp stops rising at around 93 °C.

Though I doubt the X3D chips will be able to achieve the clock speeds of their AM5 brothers. Please don't judge me when I wax on about the Gaming performance about my X3D chip. For me the current hardware that is available to consumers like over 5 GHZ CPUs, 24GB GPUs, 3600MHZ DDR4 14 or 15 speeds, 7 GB/s boot drives that install Windows in under 10 minutes (Just try a HDD and you will get it) are truly spectacular. What AMD does not understand is people like me were totally prepared to pay $999 for TRX40 chips and would have made users like me very happy. I maxed out my PC under X399 and was compelled by the real feeling that modern hardware brings. I often comment on purchases from other users on hardware that I own to be prepared for the smile that compelling hardware brings. Maybe that defines us as Enthusiasts. As I was just as surprised at the OC available on the 6500XT (especially after seeing how small the die is) as how smooth the experience is with the 6800XT. Now I have a 5800X3D and some 3600 15 RAM that make me smile every time I look at my PC. Regardless of how you feel about ARGB it is dramatic. Especially after I got the 7000D Airflow

 

[Mussels]

I've never seen that happen

Again, the TUF boards did this

I've also got one of those modded BIOSes, unlocking better fan control options
Asus locked everyone out, and in weird ways - sometimes the lower end boards have it enabled but the higher end boards don't

 

[AusWolf]

Spending some time with CO is worth it, although with a 7950x that's going to take some effort. My 7700x runs stable with 1.02v SoC @ 6000 CL30 although, like @AusWolf, mine defaulted to 1.36v



Spend some time with CO - I'm getting 20605 at a max 84℃ on a NH-D15 at -25 CO all core.

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Now, that's awesome!

Maybe I'll try someday. I mostly game, read TPU and watch Youtube on my PC, none of which tasks heat the CPU above 70 °C, so for now, I'm happy.

Though I doubt the X3D chips will be able to achieve the clock speeds of their AM5 brothers. Please don't judge me when I wax on about the Gaming performance about my X3D chip. For me the current hardware that is available to consumers like over 5 GHZ CPUs, 24GB GPUs, 3600MHZ DDR4 14 or 15 speeds, 7 GB/s boot drives that install Windows in under 10 minutes (Just try a HDD and you will get it) are truly spectacular. What AMD does not understand is people like me were totally prepared to pay $999 for TRX40 chips and would have made users like me very happy. I maxed out my PC under X399 and was compelled by the real feeling that modern hardware brings. I often comment on purchases from other users on hardware that I own to be prepared for the smile that compelling hardware brings. Maybe that defines us as Enthusiasts. As I was just as surprised at the OC available on the 6500XT (especially after seeing how small the die is) as how smooth the experience is with the 6800XT. Now I have a 5800X3D and some 3600 15 RAM that make me smile every time I look at my PC. Regardless of how you feel about ARGB it is dramatic. Especially after I got the 7000D Airflow

Oh yes, OC on the 6500 XT is pure joy. Max out all sliders and done - 2950 MHz in every game all day and night. The best part is that the Asus TUF version that I have (I still haven't sold it) doesn't even get hot.

For me, being an enthusiast means loving to tinker. I don't care if it's my Zen 4 main rig, or any of my HTPCs, or any other PC that friends or colleagues asked me to put together or service. I love all PCs equally. The greatest pleasure for me is not just seeing a high-performance machine do its thing, but also making a cheaper, lower-end system go out of its way to do something I wasn't expecting it to do. About a month ago, I tried playing Stray on my second HTPC that has an ultra low power quad-core Core i7 and a GT 1030 in it (in my signature). I was so happy when it actually ran at playable framerate at 1080p low!

 

[kapone32]

Oh yes, OC on the 6500 XT is pure joy. Max out all sliders and done - 2950 MHz in every game all day and night. The best part is that the Asus TUF version that I have (I still haven't sold it) doesn't even get hot.

For me, being an enthusiast means loving to tinker. I don't care if it's my Zen 4 main rig, or any of my HTPCs, or any other PC that friends or colleagues asked me to put together or service. I love all PCs equally. The greatest pleasure for me is not just seeing a high-performance machine do its thing, but also making a cheaper, lower-end system go out of its way to do something I wasn't expecting it to do. About a month ago, I tried playing Stray on my second HTPC that has an ultra low power quad-core Core i7 and a GT 1030 in it (in my signature). I was so happy when it actually ran at playable framerate at 1080p low!

Haha My Gigabyte beats yours I get 2983 MHZ. What about Memory I can get a stable 2100 MHZ. I have the Gaming OC (3 Fan version) and that shroud is overkill for a GPU that small. I know exactly what you mean about tinkering. That is what has me excited about the 7900XTX 3 pin version.


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